But it works I swear!

I gave you some honesty, if you choose to accept it.

You gave an opinion.

You're starting with a fallacy. You can have both. Originally Posted by HDGristle

Maybe in a utopia.

Say you have a finite number of positions (as in most cases), diversity demands that you have representation from a number of demographics.

What do you do if you don't get enough qualified individuals from certain demographics? You change the rules thereby replacing more qualified with less qualified.

I know that we won't reach any sort of agreement here, so I'm done with this thread.

Maybe in a utopia.

Say you have a finite number of positions (as in most cases), diversity demands that you have representation from a number of demographics.

What do you do if you don't get enough qualified individuals from certain demographics? You change the rules thereby replacing more qualified with less qualified.

I know that we won't reach any sort of agreement here, so I'm done with this thread. Originally Posted by Iceman

You hire the best qualified (assuming you're capable of that) after taking active steps to cast a wide net amd provided that the role is attractive to begin with.

No utopia required. Now, keep in mind that a lot of the most qualified on paper and in the interviews shit the bed as performers. If so, then PIP, term if they fail and try again.

It's part art, part science. Your chances of finding a diamond increase if you take off the blinders and cast wide.

You gave an opinion. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Honesty is honesty even when it's inconvenient, no matter how much you run from it.

Any playing field that tilts in favor of one side is unfair.

Maybe in a utopia.

Say you have a finite number of positions (as in most cases), diversity demands that you have representation from a number of demographics.

What do you do if you don't get enough qualified individuals from certain demographics? You change the rules thereby replacing more qualified with less qualified.

I know that we won't reach any sort of agreement here, so I'm done with this thread. Originally Posted by Iceman

My friend, excuse my arrogance, I agree completely.

Promoting the least competent employee, rarely results in a good ROI.

Promoting the least competent employee, rarely results in a good ROI. Originally Posted by Devo

That's not DEI. That's just poor management. If you want to spit truth, do so.

Any playing field that tilts in favor of one side is unfair. Originally Posted by Devo

'Tilting' in order to interview and SEE a new perspective, does NOT necessarily mean 'hiring to SEE the perspective'.

When DEI comes into play- it's to ensure that diversity is included in the PRE-selection process, NOT to define the outcome, or to influence who actually gets hired.

Imagine an all male workforce that has been that way for decades; Management says- "hey we should see what a different perspective would bring to the table in order to either increase productivity or some other goal". The recommendation is that instead of only INTERVIEWING men, you have to also find a qualified WOMAN to interview also.

Doesn't mean you have to hire them unless they prove during the process that they have something desirable (besides Tits and ass) such as production planning or program management or project experience which was /maybe highly sought out for talent?

If you don't bring these 'outsiders' into the mix- you will never know what you might be missing- and what a new fresh view of the workforce can do for increases in KPIs' and ROI.

Same goes for Equity and the Inclusion piece of DEI. It's not a forgone conclusion when done correctly- it's the reason the army hires interpreters and guides, and that companies who have found out that - this the way we've always done it- are falling behind the competition.

Spot on, eye.

You want a strong pool of qualified talent in search of the best fit for tbe role. Not filling a quota.

it's the reason the army hires interpreters and guides, and that companies who have found out that - this the way we've always done it- are falling behind the competition. Originally Posted by eyecu2

The CIA is now forcing minorities out.
I want to see a white guy go and successfully spy on any country thats not white.
These people are fucking morons!
Something is going to happen here that is going to make 9/11 look like amateur hour!
Something that would easily been caught under pervious administrations!
But then again perhaps it dosent matter if they are going to turn an agency that is never supposed to operate on American soil inward on the population!
Much like how they intend to use Palintir!
Welcome to the Deep State!

Any playing field that tilts in favor of one side is unfair. Originally Posted by Devo

Like the playing field that was tilted from ancient times through 1965 or so. I sense the irony is lost on you.