Charlie Kirk shot, another conservative assassination attempt.

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  • Devo
  • 09-16-2025, 07:54 PM
Reality of this is it will probably set back rights for transgender 15 years. Originally Posted by Charley3
I don't agree one bit, because this conversation was never about taking rights away from Trans people and the folks who are attracted to them.

It finally appears you have recocognized this is an action that doesn't make the trans community look like a good thing.

Now, no more rhetoric, can we abandon politics and look at why multiple people of one particular group are assassins, with a desire to kill and look at the honest reasons why they do it?
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Hey look. I was right about the memes AND the way Kirk's rhetoric played in
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Reality of this is it will probably set back rights for transgender 15 years. Originally Posted by Charley3
Rights to what?
I don't agree one bit, because this conversation was never about taking rights away from Trans people and the folks who are attracted to them.

It finally appears you have recocognized this is an action that doesn't make the trans community look like a good thing.

Now, no more rhetoric, can we abandon politics and look at why multiple people of one particular group are assassins, with a desire to kill and look at the honest reasons why they do it? Originally Posted by Devo
“It finally appears you have recognized” ???

Easy there grasshopper….you don’t know what I recognize. You’ve called me liberal before. I’m not liberal. Not everyone here thinks exclusively along party lines.
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  • Devo
  • 09-17-2025, 12:58 PM
“It finally appears you have recognized” ???

Easy there grasshopper….you don’t know what I recognize. You’ve called me liberal before. I’m not liberal. Not everyone here thinks exclusively along party lines. Originally Posted by Charley3
And I had an interesting watch of a video.

It was about being recognized, and then, once you have drew the recognition to your group or cause, what do you with that recognition.

Lets start with the main subgroup that wanted recognition.

Gay people.

OK, they hid, they came out, they were queer and here, they got gay marriage, OK, just like everyone else.

WE accepted that, which many of us already knew, and Ok, they joined society, and we all got along.

Then, G wasn't enough, it was L too, then B, T, again, we all accepted it, then we went even deeper into the divide between they and the rest of us.

Except once those groups demanded acceptance and recognition, society en masse accepted them.

I believe, it was at that point, we started to see a schism appear.

We were no longer being asked to accept an otherwise normal person, who sat beside us at the workplace, and got along.

WE had to accept more and more demands, SEPERATING THEM FROM US?

Pronouns, purple hair, massive facial piercings, people who dress up as animals to have sex, drag queens, being paraded in front of children, LGBTQUXYX student groups started by teachers, or the districts themselves, demanding we give up control of our children, driving a wedge further into society, and then, add in the hatred, the tactical decision to weaponize the membership of these groups black and Antifa and Trans, and Trantifa, further diving society into angry little tribes.

Tell those people who have most segregated THEMSELVES that its because people, normal people, and worse, CONSERVATIVES and teach them to hate the people who have accepting of every other group before them, are the ONLY REASONS they live in anger and fear, and then, tell them to start killing us if they want to survive.

And then, is it ANY WONDER, that we have a bi polar country, one side very sick, and very angry, being repeatedly told by social media to be angry and to strike out and hurt someone.

Its been in every late shooters manifestos, I want to kill X, I want to go back to the school where I was raise and kill Y, and now, I want to go to that rally and assassinate Charley Kirk beings he says mean things, and then to end that evil, I'm going to kill him, and stop him from hurting me even more.

We SEE exactly the scenario above, smart kid, good home, college, a nice car, obviously well off, I don't think you understand the importance of being given your grandfathers rifle, in a traditional family scenario, I have my grandfathers rifle, and its nothing special, but it was MY GRANDFATHERS, the person who brought success to our family, and put me where I am at today, because of his, my fathers, and my work.

This child was given everything, familial love, a good up bringing, education, wealth, and yet, he found the time to learn to hate, as stated, most of this happened in the last year during the his relationship to another man, something he KNEW would start to drive a wedge into what he had with his parents, and what in that year brought him to kill?

Tacit acceptance of death as you learn in video games?

I went into an airport in a video game, and to complete the mission you have to going into an airport terminal and kill all the innocent civilians as part of an elaborate plan.

Maybe.

Learning to hate on FB and other social media?

Yes, the censorship we saw during the 2nd Trump election has cause a change, that censorship is gone, I was getting bans often for commentary, today, zip, zilch nada, its open country, call people anything you want, in fact, some people are making good money weaponizing hate, even against themselves?

See any of the EBT Queen videos, where the welfare queens mock people by purchasing candy, and just terrible food, and film it all and mock the people that PAY for that lifestyle?

Memes, hate, memes, hate, memes, hate.

Conservatives are the enemy, harrass, anger, stalk, confront, throw bottles of piss, pepper spray, rocks, bricks, fireworks, masks, helmets, shields, pistols, Glock switches, and finally, your Grandfathers rifle.

This isn't where it ends, but its where things have to start to change.

There were things said in this thread, that were horrible, indefensible, inhuman, UNHUMAN, UNACCEPTABLE.

And yall can look in the mirror and decide who and what you are, and whether your words helped or harmed, and then ask yourself, why?

And for what???

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It seems like caring about Kirk is making its way out of the news cycle.
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It seems like caring about Kirk is making its way out of the news cycle. Originally Posted by onawbtngr546
stupid and childish post.........first off the memorial for charlie is sunday and trump will be attending

and second this mocking post because people are being fired or suspended for disgusting behavior towards the murder..... nevermind no sense wasting my breath on those who can see no evil hear no evil do no evil if it agrees with their opinions
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  • Devo
  • 09-17-2025, 06:08 PM



It seems like caring about Kirk is making its way out of the news cycle. Originally Posted by onawbtngr546
Yeah, double down on being incorrect again.
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I’ve edited Devo’s post for length. The full post is #320.

We were no longer being asked to accept an otherwise normal person, who sat beside us at the workplace, and got along.

WE had to accept more and more demands, SEPERATING THEM FROM US?

Pronouns, purple hair, massive facial piercings, people who dress up as animals to have sex, drag queens, being paraded in front of children, LGBTQUXYX student groups started by teachers, or the districts themselves, demanding we give up control of our children, driving a wedge further into society, and then, add in the hatred, the tactical decision to weaponize the membership of these groups black and Antifa and Trans, and Trantifa, further diving society into angry little tribes.

And then, is it ANY WONDER, that we have a bi polar country, one side very sick, and very angry, being repeatedly told by social media to be angry and to strike out and hurt someone.

Its been in every late shooters manifestos, I want to kill X, I want to go back to the school where I was raise and kill Y, and now, I want to go to that rally and assassinate Charley Kirk beings he says mean things, and then to end that evil, I'm going to kill him, and stop him from hurting me even more.

There were things said in this thread, that were horrible, indefensible, inhuman, UNHUMAN, UNACCEPTABLE.

And yall can look in the mirror and decide who and what you are, and whether your words helped or harmed, and then ask yourself, why?

And for what???

Originally Posted by Devo
Quite the rant there Devo. In my mind the real question is why people are so upset about the whole lgbtq issue in the first place. You say they hold themselves apart and are taught to hate on social media. Maybe if they were more accepted this kind of violence wouldn’t be happening.

The republican party and the current administration is doing everything they can to roll back acceptance of trans individuals and describing them as mentally ill. Maybe they have a right to be afraid and angry?

You are not wrong there are many horrible, indefensible, inhuman, UNHUMAN, and UNACCEPTABLE things being said in this thread and in this forum but those hateful words and ugly memes are prevalent on both sides of the debate.

We should all look at our own words before we start making judgements on others.
The republican party and the current administration is doing everything they can to roll back acceptance of trans individuals and describing them as mentally ill. Maybe they have a right to be afraid and angry? Originally Posted by txdot-guy
As or relates to Kirk this phrase can be interpreted as justifying the assassination and victim shaming. I hope that’s not what you meant.

And roll back acceptance?

Stay out of women’s private spaces and sports. You’re creating a larger set of victims, women, by catering to a few trans. No. It’s not ok.

And don’t indoctrinate and groom people. And won’t say more than that.
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someone thinking they are another sex or gender,whatever you call it...is a mental illness. thinking feeling....mental not physical. feelings dont overrule biology

it is a mental illness that you should have compassion for and they need help addressing that issue
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Not really relevant to the shooter.

What is would be summed up with the following

I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out
A sentiment I've seen as pervasive among the left, right and center. And on this board as folks try to rationalize how something must be on the extreme if what they oppose when it hits pretty damn close to home.

It what happens when dialogue breaks down. It's hatred. Good old bipartisan hatred. Hatred of hatred and being intolerant of intolerance.
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Not really relevant to the shooter.

What is would be summed up with the following



A sentiment I've seen as pervasive among the left, right and center. And on this board as folks try to rationalize how something must be on the extreme if what they oppose when it hits pretty damn close to home.

It what happens when dialogue breaks down. It's hatred. Good old bipartisan hatred. Hatred of hatred and being intolerant of intolerance. Originally Posted by HDGristle
gee gristle, pretty close to what charlie kirk said


"Violence is the tool of those who cannot argue and convince with reason. When discourse ends, violence begins.” - Charlie Kirk.
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And there's no monopoly on that kind of hate
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  • Devo
  • 09-17-2025, 09:41 PM
And there's no monopoly on that kind of hate Originally Posted by HDGristle
Platitudes?

And empathy lives within he who casts the final stone to kill an unbeliever of (insert you religion here).

That is NOT a suggestion, but a farcical take on using religion to justify anything someone believes is necessary to attain a higher power by killing others.

And yet, that stone was thrown and a death occurred, actions matter.