Is this alert worthy?

I got an email requesting an appointment from a guy who claimed to be a newbie. In his initial contact, he included his reference information(he says she was his first and only provider so far). I have met her in person at meet and greets and even had a few phone conversations with her. Even though I wouldn't call us friends, she is definitely someone whom I trusted in the hobby. I contacted her about him , and she gives me the ok. About four days before the appontment is to take place, he contacts me and asks if we can move the date up to the following day. He will need to leave town on business sooner than he anticipated and really wants to see me before he leaves. My schedule is clear, so I agree.

Well, this WOULD be the day that I leave in plenty of time to make it to the appointment on time and run straight into a traffic jam. It's raining, and a wreck has cut off three of the four lanes on the highway. When I realize that I may not make it, I text him to let him know. He calls a few minutes later and tells me he will wait as long as he can without the Mrs. getting suspicious and to keep contact with him (I thought that he may have looked it up to be sure I wasn't lying because he was very accommodating about it). I am held up for so long that I am over an HOUR late for this appointment. But, I did as he asked and maintained contact every 15 minutes or so. About fifteen minutes away from the hotel, I called him to let him know I'd be there soon.

As I am pulling into the hotel, I notice a patrol car in the adjacent gas station parking lot. I get butterflies. But, I brush it off because it's not literally AT the hotel. As I pull further into the parking lot, I spot another one parked right in the front of the hotel. Only this car is UNMARKED. I drive right by it. I keep driving and turn the corner to park in the back of the hotel. I call him. No answer. I call again. No answer. I get a text message. Him: Where are you? Me: Please answer. We need to talk. Him: Can't answer, this is my work cell. Me: ??? We talked earlier. Him: That was the phone at my office. I can't talk to you on my work cell phone. Me: But you can text me...? And we JUST talked... Something is wrong. There are cop cars here. I don't feel right. Him: It's cool. Me: What do you MEAN it's cool??? Him: I see them. I'm outside. I don't respond. I leave the hotel by taking the back road behind it. No WAY I'm driving back by those cop cars. Him: What are you driving? Me: Away from the hotel. I left. Sorry, but you are being a bit too sketchy for me. Him: Where are you? At least meet me at a gas station so I can give you some gas money for driving all this way. Me: No thank you. I never travel unprepared. :-) Him: I would like to see you when I come back into town. Me: Sure ;-)

A week later, I called the phone number I had for him. It's disconnected. I sent him an email, and it came back that it is no longer a valid email address. It's as if he never existed. My question is this: Is this alert worthy? I don't mean in the sense of the guy in question (I think that one is pretty obvious). But, as far as the provider, she is the one who gave me the reference for him. I feel like I should report her, too. My first thought when I was driving away from that situation was, "Has ***** been BUSTED and working with the cops now?" I've head of things like that happening but didn't want to get ahead of myself. I wanted to call and ask her what was going on, but I doubt sh'd admit it if she was anyway. That's exactly what I felt happened, though. I mean, I don't have any actual PROOF that she is, but, I think people have a right to know. I also don't feel like I'm being paranoid about how the situation went down. My instincts tell me so, but maybe I'm wrong...? Opinions? What am I to do?

Did this provider friend of yours actually have a session with the guy, or was it someone she just 'talked to' or 'emailed?'

Did this provider friend of yours actually have a session with the guy, or was it someone she just 'talked to' or 'emailed?' Originally Posted by alluringava

To be frank, her reference response was: "He's a great guy! Really good sex! Have fun!" Typical short response from her (which is usual). But, yes, she VERIFIED him.

It does sound like a setup. Luckly you was able to spot the cars as you was driving up. I would put this info in Alert Section eventhough he has dropped his phone number and email. However, he could activate the phone number and email later on, and be back in business.

As far as the provider goes, I wouldn't tip her off just yet. Strike up a conversation with her and work the guy into the conversation. Might say how great he was and try to get her to talk about him. I'm pretty sure you can tell when someone is lying and making up some BS about a client. If she's really interested in your experience, then you will know. Then I would quiz other ladies about her. If anything don't take references from her.

Good news is you didn't go to jail. The bad news is you didn't go to jail. So now it's complete speculation. Unless some other lady gets busted that took a flyer on her word. This why some providers don't like to take ref. from just one lady. I would ask point blank. I certainly wouldn't take any ref. from her.

I definitely think you trusted the wrong provider. I'm glad you didn't go to jail but this all sounded extremely suspicious. She said something funny too " really good sex". Well most providers who give references never talk about the 'sex part'. They just give a yay or nay. I'd steer clear of this certain provider.

The tip off for me would have been the part about "really great sex". I've never asked that question or been given that response in a ref check. However, men have told me that this is what they "think" we talk about in a ref check. So to me it sounds like you may have gotten your ref check reply from a male. I'd post it on Provider Buzz and Verify him. Sounds like you dodged a bullet to me.

Ah damn...and all this time I thought you ladies were telling each other how good we were. lol

Glad you got past this...good instincts. Report both the provider and the client's info. I always look for verification of screening. If I'm seeing someone new and I don't get verification they screened me, I'll canx. As a somewhat more experienced hobbyist, if you said you didn't feel comfortable, I'd probably have asked you what you wanted to do...and gone along with whatever...Disappointed is always better than busted.

Here's my thought. You girls see so many different guys. To be honest, I don't know how you can keep up with every guy you've seen. She very well could have given little thought to the request for a reference, or she simply got the client confused with another client. I do think you should mention it straight up and ask her about the situation. I wouldn't accuse her of being flipped. Also, I think the whole "getting flipped" for lenient treatment is a bit over blown.

There is another possibility that I would not rule out too quickly. The guy in question is LE, but the reference he used may still be ligit and not part of it. If they essentially were trying to build a chain to do something other than go after a single lady it could have been something like the following:
--LE sees the 1st provider and now has a reference
--Using that reference they can more easily see a few more; now they have a number of references that allow them to get onto web sites, get cleared with ladies/agencies that are more careful, etc.
--They may or may not go after the first few ladies, may or may not try to turn them

I'm certainly not saying this DID happen, just that it would be consistent with some LE practices depending if they had a specific person or group targeted and the first lady was a stepping stone in their eyes, much as a street dealer on the way to a bigger distributor.

There is another possibility that I would not rule out too quickly. The guy in question is LE, but the reference he used may still be ligit and not part of it. If they essentially were trying to build a chain to do something other than go after a single lady it could have been something like the following:
--LE sees the 1st provider and now has a reference
--Using that reference they can more easily see a few more; now they have a number of references that allow them to get onto web sites, get cleared with ladies/agencies that are more careful, etc.
--They may or may not go after the first few ladies, may or may not try to turn them

I'm certainly not saying this DID happen, just that it would be consistent with some LE practices depending if they had a specific person or group targeted and the first lady was a stepping stone in their eyes, much as a street dealer on the way to a bigger distributor. Originally Posted by Old-T

So you are saying the cops are knowingly committing a crime by paying for sex just to get "Street Cred" in the hobby to go after providers who maybe a little more careful in their practices. I find that hard to believe and if true, I think their evidence would be tossed out in court or at the very least would give the defense a huge advantage knowing the case was made by police who broke the law.

There is another possibility that I would not rule out too quickly. The guy in question is LE, but the reference he used may still be ligit and not part of it. If they essentially were trying to build a chain to do something other than go after a single lady it could have been something like the following:
--LE sees the 1st provider and now has a reference
--Using that reference they can more easily see a few more; now they have a number of references that allow them to get onto web sites, get cleared with ladies/agencies that are more careful, etc.
--They may or may not go after the first few ladies, may or may not try to turn them

I'm certainly not saying this DID happen, just that it would be consistent with some LE practices depending if they had a specific person or group targeted and the first lady was a stepping stone in their eyes, much as a street dealer on the way to a bigger distributor. Originally Posted by Old-T

LE wouldn't do it quite like that. But they might confide in a Civilian to infiltrate an escort circle and provide them with info and a setup for a few arrests. Typically Prostitution stings are not conducted on an individual basis either. Unless of course their is reason to believe that the arrests of a specific girl can lead to other arrests easily and quickly

I got an email requesting an appointment from a guy who claimed to be a newbie. In his initial contact, he included his reference information(he says she was his first and only provider so far). I have met her in person at meet and greets and even had a few phone conversations with her. Even though I wouldn't call us friends, she is definitely someone whom I trusted in the hobby. I contacted her about him , and she gives me the ok. About four days before the appontment is to take place, he contacts me and asks if we can move the date up to the following day. He will need to leave town on business sooner than he anticipated and really wants to see me before he leaves. My schedule is clear, so I agree.

Well, this WOULD be the day that I leave in plenty of time to make it to the appointment on time and run straight into a traffic jam. It's raining, and a wreck has cut off three of the four lanes on the highway. When I realize that I may not make it, I text him to let him know. He calls a few minutes later and tells me he will wait as long as he can without the Mrs. getting suspicious and to keep contact with him (I thought that he may have looked it up to be sure I wasn't lying because he was very accommodating about it). I am held up for so long that I am over an HOUR late for this appointment. But, I did as he asked and maintained contact every 15 minutes or so. About fifteen minutes away from the hotel, I called him to let him know I'd be there soon.

As I am pulling into the hotel, I notice a patrol car in the adjacent gas station parking lot. I get butterflies. But, I brush it off because it's not literally AT the hotel. As I pull further into the parking lot, I spot another one parked right in the front of the hotel. Only this car is UNMARKED. I drive right by it. I keep driving and turn the corner to park in the back of the hotel. I call him. No answer. I call again. No answer. I get a text message. Him: Where are you? Me: Please answer. We need to talk. Him: Can't answer, this is my work cell. Me: ??? We talked earlier. Him: That was the phone at my office. I can't talk to you on my work cell phone. Me: But you can text me...? And we JUST talked... Something is wrong. There are cop cars here. I don't feel right. Him: It's cool. Me: What do you MEAN it's cool??? Him: I see them. I'm outside. I don't respond. I leave the hotel by taking the back road behind it. No WAY I'm driving back by those cop cars. Him: What are you driving? Me: Away from the hotel. I left. Sorry, but you are being a bit too sketchy for me. Him: Where are you? At least meet me at a gas station so I can give you some gas money for driving all this way. Me: No thank you. I never travel unprepared. :-) Him: I would like to see you when I come back into town. Me: Sure ;-)

A week later, I called the phone number I had for him. It's disconnected. I sent him an email, and it came back that it is no longer a valid email address. It's as if he never existed. My question is this: Is this alert worthy? I don't mean in the sense of the guy in question (I think that one is pretty obvious). But, as far as the provider, she is the one who gave me the reference for him. I feel like I should report her, too. My first thought when I was driving away from that situation was, "Has ***** been BUSTED and working with the cops now?" I've head of things like that happening but didn't want to get ahead of myself. I wanted to call and ask her what was going on, but I doubt sh'd admit it if she was anyway. That's exactly what I felt happened, though. I mean, I don't have any actual PROOF that she is, but, I think people have a right to know. I also don't feel like I'm being paranoid about how the situation went down. My instincts tell me so, but maybe I'm wrong...? Opinions? What am I to do?

Originally Posted by Lovelyelle_01

Lovelyelle, Your observations were rather interesting. One thing I am a little unclear on. You said you saw an unmarked police car. What did it look like and was anyone inside. The reason I am asking is because unmarked police cars are generally the same make and model as marked cars. They just don't have any insignias or bar lights. Police Detectives the suit and Tie guys are usually assigned these vehicles. The other type of vehicle other than a marked squad are the undercover vehicles they can be anything they can range from Corvettes to Pickup trucks and they are used for deep undercover vice ops, like Narcotic and prostitution stings. If you were able to dodge a sting it was poorly conducted because they didn't get you and they were suppose to.

The tip off for me would have been the part about "really great sex". I've never asked that question or been given that response in a ref check. However, men have told me that this is what they "think" we talk about in a ref check. So to me it sounds like you may have gotten your ref check reply from a male. I'd post it on Provider Buzz and Verify him. Sounds like you dodged a bullet to me. Originally Posted by alaine

My thoughts exactly.

First off, thanks to all for your input and advice.
@Cpalmson, contrary to popular belief, every escort does not work like a machine. All of us don't see five to ten guys a day. Some of us don't even see five in a month. On top of that, every safe and reputable escort should have an effective system for giving out references. Doing what needs to be done to ensure safety among the community is a huge part about what makes us reputable, is it not? So, although she MAY BE one of those girls who sees so many guys she has lost count, she should get a break from conducting business in a way that will ensure OUR safety? I think not. If anything, it should be even more reason to double check and make sure she's sending out the right information. Not accusing her of being flipped, but the possibility IS a reality. Be thankful that you have not experienced it personally.