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Originally Posted by WTF

He provides a great perspective to everything....but what a true sugar baby is.

A true sb has not figured out the game. That is wtf makes her so special, she appreciates all that is provided because she has never had that happen before. It can only happen once...

All others are frogs wanting to recapture their tadpole youth. Originally Posted by WTF

Another "true SB" post. What is true for you may not be true for others.

Btw, I like to have sex with women, not frogs.

Another "true SB" post. What is true for you may not be true for others.
Originally Posted by TheDoc

Look Doc, if someone can convince you that a zebra is a rabbit, fine with me.

But unless you have had a true SB experience , you are just speculating.

Btw, I like to have sex with women, not frogs. Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hookers kiss a lot of frogs looking for their prince!

He provides a great perspective to everything....but what a true sugar baby is.

A true sb has not figured out the game. That is wtf makes her so special, she appreciates all that is provided because she has never had that happen before. It can only happen once...

All others are frogs wanting to recapture their tadpole youth. Originally Posted by WTF

I don't think there is any one/single definition for "what a true sugar baby is."

Does being a SB only happen once? I think it can happen as many times as a person is willing to put their toes in the pool. If a frog wants to recapture their tadpole youth, I see nothing wrong with that.

life is so complicated.
this seemed like such a simple topic when it was started. Originally Posted by cycleguy

Simple becomes complicated when an opinion is forced upon someone versus just shared. Lots of force in this simple yet controversial topic.

What is being debated isn't how you define what type of relationship constitutes a Sb/Sd but if an escort can shift from a purely transactional mindset into a less defined less transactional agreement. Olivia in my mind confirms that escorts cannot be in sb agreement because it is strictly business

Another aspect that has not been discussed is why would a guy spend 4000 a month to see just one escort when he could see 10-20 different ones each month for the same cost. The only way that makes sense to me is if their is some connection and it isn't just about sex and that gets back to what defines a Sb vs an escort on retainer. I could care less what it is called if I found someone I clicked with, had good sex and it took me away from the grind of everyday life once in awhile Originally Posted by oktome

I am still trying to find what category I fall in. I know technically I've obtained the provider label on this board, but for me, meeting with men isn't strictly business... it isn't just this for that. My needs get met when I spend time with men, needs beyond a merely physical or financial level. I like men.

When money is involved, I never want to make a person feel like they are overpaying. As a provider, I think my rates are a bargain. I already feel like a person is getting a great deal, so to speak. I would decline a date before settling for less, not because I dislike gentlemen who offer less… but because by offering less, it indicates to me that he perhaps doesn't find me "worth" my rate. I never want a man to spend any money on me if spending the money isn't fully worth it to him. I know what dollar value makes me feel wanted, needed, and desired. And I'm most compatible with men who provide financially not out of paying me or buying me, but out of... I respect you, out of... I see that you want this amount, here you go. In my perspective, paying a rate is a demonstration of respect. It's a way of saying thank you, you have given me everything I could have ever asked for, and I would like to do the same for you.

I don't think there is any one/single definition for "what a true sugar baby is." Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

There is for me. I have experienced them, so I know what they are. Have you ever experienced a Sugar Baby?

Does being a SB only happen once? I think it can happen as many times as a person is willing to put their toes in the pool. If a frog wants to recapture their tadpole youth, I see nothing wrong with that.


. Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

What about losing your virginity, or your first kiss? Can those happen again. A frog can want to recapture her youth but it will never do so, you are confusing 'want' with 'reality'.

And as far as Woody's sex + task model, I gotta say, good luck with that. I am glad that is working for you, but I think it would be pretty dangerous, mixing sex and work. All it would take is for one of those women to file some sort of sexual harassment suit claiming that you hired them and pressured them into having sex with you and you will find that this model can be very, very expensive. Originally Posted by TheDoc

http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm

Look at the top right corner. Sexual harassment laws per the EEOC only apply to companies with more than 15 employees.

And I am not even talking about employees here. I am talking about people assigned to do one task, more like independent contractors, and adding sex as a perk. In that model, who can sue for damages?

This grew out of my sugar babies wanting more money. Instead of just handing it to them, I said, "I pay $200 for this service so why don't you do it and I will give you $200 or $300 or whatever for it." For the most part, they were happy to earn than money versus it being just handed to them.

If you think the economy is on solid footing, then this won't happen. If you think as I do that a fall is coming and both the SB and SD are going to take a hit, this is a natural evolutionary step.

I just find it amusing that these people are putting so much time into this. Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Ironic.

More irony........

You call me angry blah blah blah

Not angry, don't hate women, don' dislike them at all. Originally Posted by Gotyour6

because..........

I see a bunch of angry whores that want the SB life and never ever have it lol

Pretty woman was a movie "Ladies" Originally Posted by Gotyour6

WTF, I know SEVERAL women that I could consider, let's call it, "experienced" that were dyed in the wool, fully supported - in a lavish lifestyle - sugar babies. The world favors those that go and get what they want. Relationship squiring or engineering is no different.

I really dont care lol
Why are you so hell bent on this thread?

Does it really matter that much to you to make monster threads on this?

OMG, give it a rest and let it die.

No one really cares any more. he thread has grown so big and gone off track that its a mess.

Let it go sweet heart

You are right, I hate women and what ever else you say I am or am not.

WTF, I know SEVERAL women that I could consider, let's call it, "experienced" that were dyed in the wool, fully supported - in a lavish lifestyle - sugar babies. The world favors those that go and get what they want. Relationship squiring or engineering is no different. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

A Trophy Wife or a Kept Woman is no more a Sugar Baby than I am a Saber Tooth Tiger.

A Sugar Baby is at that wonderful stage where she does not understand the art of a business deal for her youthful enthusiasm and grateful appreciation for the little things in life she is now experiencing for the first time. It can only happen once and for a short period of time.

I am speaking of a Sugar Baby, you are describing an illusionist.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/illusionist

I really dont care lol
Why are you so hell bent on this thread? Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Um, why are you? We heard ya. Your SB is just turning 20, bla, bla, bla.

A Trophy Wife or a Kept Woman is no more a Sugar Baby than I am a Saber Tooth Tiger.

A Sugar Baby is at that wonderful stage where she does not understand the art of a business deal for her youthful enthusiasm and grateful appreciation for the little things in life she is now experiencing for the first time. It can only happen once and for a short period of time. Originally Posted by WTF

LOL, at least you're not calling the trophy wife or mistress the Saber Tooth. I'm beginning to think somebody has / had a bit of a torch for his SB . Nothing wrong with that!

I don't think there is any one/single definition for "what a true sugar baby is." Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

There is for me. I have experienced them, so I know what they are. Originally Posted by WTF

Ok. What is your one/single definition for what a true SB is?

Have you ever experienced a Sugar Baby? Originally Posted by WTF

I'm not sure I understand if you're asking if I have ever experienced being a SB or having a SB....
Have I ever experienced being a SB? Yes, twice.
Have I ever experienced having a SB? No, it's not my preference to be a SD or SM.

Does being a SB only happen once? I think it can happen as many times as a person is willing to put their toes in the pool. If a frog wants to recapture their tadpole youth, I see nothing wrong with that. Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

What about losing your virginity, or your first kiss? Can those happen again. A frog can want to recapture her youth but it will never do so, you are confusing 'want' with 'reality'. Originally Posted by WTF

I say a sugar baby is like a tadpole. You can only be a sugar baby once and only for a limited time. Originally Posted by WTF

To me, incredible sex doesn't require being a virgin, and I can get the chills from passionate kissing even though you aren't the first man to kiss me. If a frog says put me in a body of water and to me, that means I've recaptured my youth. Then in my opinion, that frog has just recaptured his youth. It depends on each frog individually as to what "youth" means. Thus I find it bogus to claim, "A frog can want to recapture her youth but it will never do so."

All because something isn't a first, doesn't mean the experience will be less intense.

Personally, my first kiss was not my best kiss ever, nor was losing my virginity my best experience ever. This tells me it doesn't have to be my first time as a SB in order for it to be a success.

I think the magenta adds accuracy, what do you think?

A naive Sugar Baby is at that wonderful stage where she does not understand the art of a business deal for her youthful enthusiasm and grateful appreciation for the little things in life she is now experiencing for the first time. It can only happen once and for a short period of time. Originally Posted by WTF

In other words... take advantage of... those who don't understand? Wow. I guess that is certainly one way to do it.

Holy Jesus, that is wtf you understood my words to mean?

Yes, that's what I understood your words to mean.

If you meant something different, then I must have misread something somewhere. Can you help me to better understand what you mean/meant?

PleasantSurprise has worded her thoughts well. I agree a SB can be a provider, a stripper or just the college girl you meet in a restaurant. It is all about chemistry between the two parties involved and the depths of the attraction (whether faked on her part or not).

I truly believe the provider that I "dated" as a SB was one the most worthwhile endeavours I ever pursued. I believe in my heart she really cared about being a good SB/girlfriend and never once seemed like it was about the money. btw, it is always about the money. Be it your girlfriend, wife or a SB, they expect to be supported in a manner they are accustomed to.

PleasantSurprise has worded her thoughts well. I agree a SB can be a provider, a stripper or just the college girl you meet in a restaurant. It is all about chemistry between the two parties involved and the depths of the attraction (whether faked on her part or not).

I truly believe the provider that I "dated" as a SB was one the most worthwhile endeavours I ever pursued. I believe in my heart she really cared about being a good SB/girlfriend and never once seemed like it was about the money. btw, it is always about the money. Be it your girlfriend, wife or a SB, they expect to be supported in a manner they are accustomed to. Originally Posted by SkirtChaser

Always about the money, what if you wife makes more than you do, say a neurosurgeon. Then is all about the money for the guy? That's an insane statement. Money is the not the sole purpose for women, but around here it seems many believe it is, but I guess most here would believe that. How else do folks here rationalize what they do. I think they kid themselves, but whatever.

Holy Jesus, that is wtf you understood my words to mean? Originally Posted by WTF

Hey WTF, do you remember on my first thread about how people used to justify HDH rates? You are speaking of the first time a woman becomes a SB.

The virgin SB is excited to go to the fancy restaurant. She is thrilled to dress up and go out to dinner and is mesmerized by the table preparation of bananas foster. Do you remember what was said to justify HDH fees for dinner? "I get paid for dinner because honestly I would rather be eating with someone else."

The virgin SB is thrilled with the first time viewing of Cirque Du Soleil. The HDHs said, "Getting ready for the show is a lot of work. Make up and dress are expensive, and have you tried sitting through that show four times? It is pretty tough."

The virgin SB crawls into bed with you, rewards you for the best day of her life, and snuggles you like the man of her dreams. The HDHs here said, "Most men are gross to sleep with, and that is why we charge for sleeping/overnights like we do."

The virgin SB is thrilled that she can give up her $10 an hour job to spend time with you. To compensate her for her lost job, you pay $1200 or so per month.

The HDH won't consider quitting her job unless she gets at least the same amount she is getting now which is certain to be $5000+.

The HDH has attacked the men seeing SBs as "preying" on naive women, but that is not what it is. Price is determined by the supply of women and demand of men. The amount of men willing to see SBs and not providers is small. There at least 100x as many women willing to see one man and be discreetly paid as a SB than there are women willing to be escorts. It is this increase in supply and quasi-legal nature of the SB status that makes being a SB attractive to women. With said increase in supply, the price goes down.

The opposite is true. Many HDHs prey on naive men.

Like GY6 said, there really isn't anything more to say on the subject. It has been beaten to death.