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Ok. What is your one/single definition for what a true SB is?

It is a lady experiencing the finer things in life for the first time. Money, travel ...



I'm not sure I understand if you're asking if I have ever experienced being a SB or having a SB....
Have I ever experienced being a SB? Yes, twice.
Have I ever experienced having a SB? No, it's not my preference to be a SD or SM.

IMHO, you can not experience something new, twice.







To me, incredible sex doesn't require being a virgin, and I can get the chills from passionate kissing even though you aren't the first man to kiss me. If a frog says put me in a body of water and to me, that means I've recaptured my youth. Then in my opinion, that frog has just recaptured his youth. It depends on each frog individually as to what "youth" means. Thus I find it bogus to claim, "A frog can want to recapture her youth but it will never do so."

I was not talking about a virgin or a first kiss, my God! It is the transformation of youth to maturity in relationships.

All because something isn't a first, doesn't mean the experience will be less intense.

I'm not looking for intensity, I'm talking about the transformation. That is what I like to see. To see them grow wings...

Personally, my first kiss was not my best kiss ever, nor was losing my virginity my best experience ever. This tells me it doesn't have to be my first time as a SB in order for it to be a success.

Nor was mine but then again, that was not what I was talking about. Sorry I did not explain it better.

I think the magenta adds accuracy, what do you think?

Not sure what you are asking...



In other words... take advantage of... those who don't understand? Wow. I guess that is certainly one way to do it.

I suppose that is one way to look at it. I do not look at helping a person grow as taking advantage of them. Showing them what life has to offer and mentoring them in the ways of the world is not taking advantage of them in my world.
Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

Hey WTF, do you remember on my first thread about how people used to justify HDH rates? You are speaking of the first time a woman becomes a SB.

The virgin SB is excited to go to the fancy restaurant. She is thrilled to dress up and go out to dinner and is mesmerized by the table preparation of bananas foster. Do you remember what was said to justify HDH fees for dinner? "I get paid for dinner because honestly I would rather be eating with someone else."

The virgin SB is thrilled with the first time viewing of Cirque Du Soleil. The HDHs said, "Getting ready for the show is a lot of work. Make up and dress are expensive, and have you tried sitting through that show four times? It is pretty tough."

The virgin SB crawls into bed with you, rewards you for the best day of her life, and snuggles you like the man of her dreams. The HDHs here said, "Most men are gross to sleep with, and that is why we charge for sleeping/overnights like we do."

The virgin SB is thrilled that she can give up her $10 an hour job to spend time with you. To compensate her for her lost job, you pay $1200 or so per month.

The HDH won't consider quitting her job unless she gets at least the same amount she is getting now which is certain to be $5000+.

The HDH has attacked the men seeing SBs as "preying" on naive women, but that is not what it is. Price is determined by the supply of women and demand of men. The amount of men willing to see SBs and not providers is small. There at least 100x as many women willing to see one man and be discreetly paid as a SB than there are women willing to be escorts. It is this increase in supply and quasi-legal nature of the SB status that makes being a SB attractive to women. With said increase in supply, the price goes down.

The opposite is true. Many HDHs prey on naive men.

Like GY6 said, there really isn't anything more to say on the subject. It has been beaten to death. Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Very well put. Both SB's and HDH's have their place, I just do not confuse the two, nor do you it appears!

But you're old and fat

Always about the money, what if you wife makes more than you do, say a neurosurgeon. Then is all about the money for the guy? That's an insane statement. Money is the not the sole purpose for women, but around here it seems many believe it is, but I guess most here would believe that. How else do folks here rationalize what they do. I think they kid themselves, but whatever. Originally Posted by oktome

No, nothings all about money even work. Job satisfaction and autonomy are driver in the employment equation also. Money pays for the most important things in life: your family and your health so weather you like it or not, it's one of the most important things in life. That's just the way it is.

Rationalize what they do in what way? YOU'RE here for the banter I assume.

No, nothings all about money even work. Job satisfaction and autonomy are driver in the employment equation also. Money pays for the most important things in life: your family and your health so weather you like it or not, it's one of the most important things in life. That's just the way it is.

Rationalize what they do in what way? YOU'RE here for the banter I assume. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Olivia, you need to read the statement I was responding to that guy said for women "it is always about the money" I would imagine the less you have the more true the statement is, but I just disagreed with that statement.

There are those who believe that you can build a business by doing the right thing and the money will follow. There are those you have to be a ruthless bastard and get it while you can. I followed the first in mine and it worked.

I don't know, how do you suppose people rationalize?

Olivia, you need to read the statement I was responding to that guy said for women "it is always about the money" I would imagine the less you have the more true the statement is, but I just disagreed with that statement.

There are those who believe that you can build a business by doing the right thing and the money will follow. There are those you have to be a ruthless bastard and get it while you can. I followed the first in mine and it worked. Originally Posted by oktome

I found Corporate USA significantly more ruthless than when I started my own business. Personally, I feel, I run my business fairly. I never negotiate the price, but I offered my houses (before the recession) and now my lots at a very fair price.

In this business, not surprisingly, when I was working, I felt my rates were fair. Some would say si some would say no. Even when I was working, people would bring new ladies to me all the time to help them get started. I always gave references quickly and I never went around dog cussing other ladies. I don't feel I was ruthless at all.

Like all people I can be ruthless. I have been in the past and I'm sure I will have to in the future, but I find that it just takes so much extra energy.

I don't know, how do you suppose people rationalize? Originally Posted by oktome

Now THAT is a very complicated question. Who knows what makes people tick? It's a moving target from person to person and even for the same person given time and circumstances. Again, figuring out what drives a person and how they think is something that takes more energy I'm willing to invest unless I have a vested interest in finding out.

one thing has become clear to me is that before a SB/SD relationship is entered into, there must be a LOT of discussion between both sides so there is a clear understanding of how this will work and what each side expects from the relationship and each other.

Then as it goes along, there must also be continuing dialogue between the parties to insure resentment is not building up due to misunderstandings on either part.

And what are grounds for ending the relationship.

In short, while we may like to think this is a casual relationship, it is complicated and requires effort on both parts to make it start and keep it working.

Crap, sounds a lot like marriage. I'm outta here!!

Chip sets on computers have got to the point where you don't need as much power to run them at faster rates. Take it from say five years ago when they were putting desktop chip sets into a notebook to get them to run faster. That is a thing of the past. They would produce more heat and take up way to much battery to power them. Now, even the cheapest notebooks run faster than the older notebooks and give a longer battery life due to the decrease in power used by these smaller chip sets.

Think I am a bit off topic here but it is something to consider when looking for a sugar daddy or baby or if you are shopping for a notebook. Get a can of canned air as well. Its good to have around the house and not just for the computer.
You can use it to blow out where a duster can't reach. It really does make a difference in dusty areas.

For more tips on duster use search "I bought an expensive can of air and I have no use for it"

What's wrong with it being "all for the money". Isn't that what capitalism is all about. hahaha

What's wrong with it being "all for the money". Isn't that what capitalism is all about. hahaha Originally Posted by John Bull

Nothing really, but job satisfaction and autonomy are required also.

OliviaHoward I love all your posts.

I make a better sb rather then provider. Mainly b/c I hate meeting new people.
Once I get comfortable with a person the sex is amazing. Having amazing sex is hard for me to have if I don't genuinely like a person. Good sex, great sex even, is possible but not fantastic or amazing.
I never liked being a provider. But I have always have had crazy sexual urges so when it became absolutely necessary for me to provide it also came easy.
I have had my SD going on 4 years now. So to say a provider dose not make a good sb is a little silly. You just have to have good judgment of character. You cant be to careful.
If you were a bank teller and were a victim of a bank robbery and the robber had on a red hoody, it doesn't mean every time a person with a red hoody that walks into the bank is going to rob you.

Bottom line if you just so happen to meet a provider that sparks your interest and think she is someone you wouldn't mind spending time with on a regular as a sd /sb arrangement go for it.
Shoot if it was me I would test the person first. I wouldn't give to much in the beginning.
Lend a hand at first, if she doesn't rip off your whole arm well..............You might have a winner

I deleted the word "virgin" and was wondering if you thought your post would still be accurate with the following change made...

The thankful and appreciative SB is excited to go to the fancy restaurant. She is thrilled to dress up and go out to dinner and is mesmerized by the table preparation of bananas foster. Do you remember what was said to justify HDH fees for dinner? "I get paid for dinner because honestly I would rather be eating with someone else."

The thankful and appreciative SB is thrilled with the first time viewing of Cirque Du Soleil. The HDHs said, "Getting ready for the show is a lot of work. Make up and dress are expensive, and have you tried sitting through that show four times? It is pretty tough."

The thankful and appreciative SB crawls into bed with you, rewards you for the best day of her life, and snuggles you like the man of her dreams. The HDHs here said, "Most men are gross to sleep with, and that is why we charge for sleeping/overnights like we do." Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Unfortunately, greed in my opinion is what causes SB's to be less excited to go to the fancy restaurant and thrilled with first experiences, crawling into bed with you and rewarding you for the best day of her life. With or without virgin status, I think it's more based around how thankful and appreciative the lady is or if she's already turned... sour.

The virgin SB is thrilled that she can give up her $10 an hour job to spend time with you. To compensate her for her lost job, you pay $1200 or so per month.

The HDH won't consider quitting her job unless she gets at least the same amount she is getting now which is certain to be $5000+. Originally Posted by woodyboyd

This comes across as if
willing to compensate virgin SB 100% for her lost job.
unwilling to compensate HDH 100% for her lost job.

Almost like the... HDH is expected to take a pay cut, whereas the virgin SB maintains her income but just swaps the source.

One step further, do you think a virgin SB would quit her $1200 a month job in exchange to receive $600 from a SD?

I would guess she's equally as likely to agree to this as is the HDH to agree to quit her $5000 a month job in exchange to receive $2500.

The HDH has attacked the men seeing SBs as "preying" on naive women, but that is not what it is. Price is determined by the supply of women and demand of men. The amount of men willing to see SBs and not providers is small. There at least 100x as many women willing to see one man and be discreetly paid as a SB than there are women willing to be escorts. It is this increase in supply and quasi-legal nature of the SB status that makes being a SB attractive to women. With said increase in supply, the price goes down.

The opposite is true. Many HDHs prey on naive men. Originally Posted by woodyboyd

In my opinion, there are men who DO prey on naive women, and there are women who DO prey on naive men; I don't think any one side is doing all of the preying. I think there are just as many men preying as there are women preying. It's a two way street, happening both ways, male to female and female to male.

I like how you mention supply-demand and... "increase in supply, the price goes down." Additionally, with decrease in supply, the price goes up.

I didn't take the time to read all 176 posts but I think the general disagreement here revolves around the cost analysis of being there for someone. The reason I don't think providers can make good SB is that they tend to make that cost analysis always as part of the relationship. That leads to a larger discussion. It has been shown that the greatest atracter of women isn't something physical like his muscles or abs or the size of his d___ or how he uses it. The greatest attracter is MONEY. Even non providers seem to gravitate to the gents that can improve thier lifestyle the most. The reason that providers do so well is that after the cost analysis is made paying two or three hundred dollars an hour is cheaper. The relationships we are talking about here seem to be more like 'friends with benefits' then SD/SB relationships. How much each contributes to the affair depends on the people involved. Yes ladies, many of the gents are looking for some free sex. Gents, face it many of you are looking for a lover, a mistress, or a GF. Most of the time that can be achieved simply by becoming a regular of a provider. You don't get free sex but you get something you are looking for. While I did read that a certain provider never played favorites , I can assure you that a man providing $2000/mo took precedence over someone that someone who just made a one time appointment for an hour yesterday. Most providers are flexible and know where their bread is buttered. I think in the end here is the fact that there is more to the SD/SB relationship than either just sex or just money. Gents, if you want a mistress it is going to cost. Ladies, if you want to be a SB then you need to give some sex away for free. How much money is involved for such a relationship depends on the two people. In the end, the SB is your GF or your mistress and is a real person with feelings. Ladies, stop thinking of SD as an ATM machine that wants sex. Those are called husbands. Providers can be SB but both parties have to have their heads in the game. Most people enter in to relationships when there is something in it for both parties. The posts I have read seem to indicate that it depends on what is given and what is received by both parties that makes the difference. Gents, if all you want is sex at a fair price the provider route is there. Ladies, if the only thing men mean to you are how much they provide and are they fun in bed, you aren't looking for a SD. As to those that want exclusive right without the marriage contract, I hope you are well in to the 1% or are ready for heavy competition. There are very few women just looking for someone to 'hook up' with and fewer who want to be mistresses. Good luck!

I think it's more based around how thankful and appreciative the lady is or if she's already turned... sour.


. Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

I think you have hit upon something there Ms PleasantSuprise.....SOUR.

While I did read that a certain provider never played favorites , I can assure you that a man providing $2000/mo took precedence over someone that someone who just made a one time appointment for an hour yesterday. Most providers are flexible and know where their bread is buttered. Originally Posted by heinz5710

That was me who said that. I still stand by it because this client is a double edged sword. This client will want and expect more and more of your time even if he's a guy that comes in town once a month. Sooner or later you will have to decide whether you want to or can give him the time he wants. It's better to have a broad book of business, because this type of client is on the fast track to being an ex-client. Other than that, I loved your post. Very astute.