My top 10 reasons "Newbies" are declined services

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WOW you mean to tell me the hobby exist outside of this here site..
next you will tell me that the hobby has been around longer then this here site.
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Forgive Stiffy.... he has not been his self lately. Originally Posted by ElumEno

Sarcasm I can appreciate. I am a noob on this site, so I do expect to get some amount of shit for reviews not being what you are used to or posting something in the wrong place, but my personal experience and opinions should not be questioned. Disagree if you must, but me being new here should not come into play.

Either way, I'm a big boy and don't get offended easy, (or at all).

What other boards are active like this one in KC?
I agree, some people don't have time to post and participate. It shouldn't dictate your decision to date someone. That's why we have screening. Yes, it does help! But some men just can't commit to that so it should also be considered if that's their reasoning behind a lack of posts. Also, Eccie isn't always the #1 board in other cities. So people only log in while in KC. Originally Posted by ExoticSasha

This is the most active board I have seen in KC so far, that's why I am here. I am not only new to this site, but new to KC. I don't mind most screening, but there comes a point where it's just too personal. I have worked too hard to get where I am in my life and I prefer to keep it separate from my hobby. Never the two shall meet.

By whos definition sweetie, my GFE may consist of everything on the list, you never know!

So. ... Because I'm not active on THIS board it's a reason to not see me? Hmmm. Back to plan B Originally Posted by Sens55

I'll vouch for you....
If you want I'll even give you a ride to Topeka..

One thing though...WTF is "plan B" ?

Nice, and You Joined Today. OK???? Originally Posted by Stiffy008

I'm tellin ya folks....

You just cannot sneak anything by Clouseau.....

By whos definition sweetie, my GFE may consist of everything on the list, you never know! Originally Posted by topekarain

Well, no offense, but that is sort of the problem. You are asking guys to drop a chunk of change on you, and per your words - they don't know what they may, or may not be getting. Or they don't know how many times they have to drop a couple of benjamins before they get something worth writing home to mum about.

The first complaint in your list was guys who ask about specific services, and what your rate for that service is. But your "GFE" and "Non-GFE" rate structure, coupled with your tap dance to avoid defining the difference between the two, forces them to do exactly that - ask you about what specifically distinguishes the two, and what rate they should expect to pay.

Guys will only jump through so many hoops before moving on. Try to eliminate some of the hoops, and you'll get better results. It will also help you avoid the "upseller" reputation as well, which again no offense, your rate and service structure has you dancing right on the edge of.

From the perspective of an infrequent hobbyist therefore perpetual newbie, this is a useful discussion so thanks T-rain for your insight. It can be frustrating trying to make a date w/o recent references and the more we know the better. However, I echo some of the previous comments that I personally just don't have the time to participate on these boards as much as I'd like to. Also, my hobby time is very limited and when I do have an opportunity to play I want to know exactly what's on the menu as that may be my only shot for a few months.

I have seen TopekaRain, a couple of times now and let me tell you gents, while you are haggling about what is and what is not GFE or the way Rain runs her business you are missing out on one of the most kind hearted and down to earth ladies that I have met since I started hobbying in 2004.

This is not Burger King you cannot have it your way, she as the business owner should be able to dictate what she is comfortable in doing or not doing. If you do not like what she offered just move on to someone that will offer what you want right off the bat.

If you are going in for 30 minutes or an hour, in my honest opinion that is not much time to get to know your date or enjoy the pleasantness of her company.

I can beyond of a shadow of doubt say each time I have seen her it has gotten more awesome, I plan on seeing her this week hopefully.

So yes certain things will raise a red flag especially if your are a newbie and or are not willing to make sure your potential date is comfortable in meeting you.

In my opinion some of you gentleman have forgotten that while they are in the business, these are ladies with feelings, real world problems away from the hobby and not just another notch on your bedpost, belt or wherever you put the notch. In essence we are no longer cavemen or Neanderthals in search of a conquest.

Remember you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.

this is not an ad and is just an the opinion of long time hobbyist who cherishes each date and was not asked nor paid for by the author of this post.
My 2 pence worth

I have seen TopekaRain, a couple of times now and let me tell you gents, while you are haggling about what is and what is not GFE or the way Rain runs her business you are missing out on one of the most kind hearted and down to earth ladies that I have met since I started hobbying in 2004.

I can beyond of a shadow of doubt say each time I have seen her it has gotten more awesome, I plan on seeing her this week hopefully. Originally Posted by Grizzly

I'm glad you like her but I think if you'll go back and check, she started the thread..
What would you have us all do?? just not reply lest it bruise your latest Sweetie...
It seems to me that she has gotten quite a bit of helpful feedback and I see no disrespect..in fact one of our super mods has seen fit to engage...

What is it with you man?? It's like if you see someone you have to watch over them from then on and be their bi...protector..?

Seems to me that she is a savvy young woman who can take care of herself and was doing just fine

I'm glad you like her but I think if you'll go back and check, she started the thread..
What would you have us all do?? just not reply lest it bruise your latest Sweetie...
It seems to me that she has gotten quite a bit of helpful feedback and I see no disrespect..in fact one of our super mods has seen fit to engage...

What is it with you man?? It's like if you see someone you have to watch over them from then on and be their bi...protector..?

Seems to me that she is a savvy young woman who can take care of herself and was doing just fine Originally Posted by malwoody

I understand that, just thought I would give my 2 cents.

No reply by all means, I just voiced my opinion as you have all done including a few ladies and the mod.
This was my view and opinion after reading the thread after missing for a couple of days due to being buried under a mound of historical research for my thesis paper.

Not trying to pick a or be a wk. just my opinion in response to her post.

Peace out now back to my historical research and writing.

……………….Guys will only jump through so many hoops before moving on. Try to eliminate some of the hoops, and you'll get better results. It will also help you avoid the "upseller" reputation as well, which again no offense, your rate and service structure has you dancing right on the edge of. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Fully agree, I may troll a lot to find out about the women I would like to see. But it is mostly a process of elimination; and the big eliminator is attitude. You can find a lot about what a person is like by the attitude they display.

Thank you for the observations.

JR

What makes me nervous is when a P411 profile does not list a set amount. $250-$300 dollars. So, what is the price of admittance? Is it $250? Is it $300? Is it $295? HUH?

And then comes the question of why the client is asking price. It is hard to know the donation when a range is specified. I generally do not waste time when I see something like that.

I'll vouch for you....
If you want I'll even give you a ride to Topeka..

One thing though...WTF is "plan B" ? Originally Posted by malwoody

Plan B is where I remember why I stopped hobbying and go see my civilian GF.i don't have to wonder about her prices or services

CK... are you saying that Stiffy might have something to cop(ter) to?

GFE to one is not the same to another, so to avoid mishaps why not clearly define your menu the best you can, and note where upcharges apply? (General statement, not speaking to anyone in particular here)

everyone here was a newbie once...... you have been here just over a month and have 38 post..... so who is the newbie now?

This thread has gotten way off base. Thank you to those who stayed on topic. Have a great day!!!!!!;-)