25% of Americans are idiots

You do seem to be much smarter than I am when it comes to science, so please answer my earlier question.

You stated that the Big Bang Theory is the best explanation correct?
Why are all the galaxies not the same age since they were created at the same time

Thank u

Fallable
capable of making mistakes or being erroneous.
"experts can be fallible"
synonyms: error-prone, errant, liable to err, open to error

Being wrong doesn't invalidate his Theory?
Ok Originally Posted by pwood

LOL. I know you serious too. So to you, "e" doesn't equal MC² (Energy=Mass(Speed of Light)². We better rewrite the text books. Also according to you General Relativity and Special Relativity are also bullshit. GPS is a PRIME example of General Relativity in action. But to you, it must be some plot by the devil, LOL. Thank you the laugh.

Pwood on ECCIE has figured out General Relativity is false. Someone hand this man a Nobel Prize. What field is your science degree in?

Roger
Why such hostility?

I was asking for your expertise as I do not have the answer to the age of galaxy's and instead I get bullshit.

I do not preach my beliefs; especially living the life that I do, but I have noticed that atheists seem to be the most intolerant people I've ever come across

This could be a good thread if it were not for the name calling and insults which seem to be coming from the so called enlightened ones

You speak of things you don't understand. The same way Wellendowed try to pretend that he understood "The Law of Thermodynamics". Then you go on to make false claims like you can see insides people minds to see that they understand. I can gurantee you that I have forgetten more about Biology, Chemistry, and Physics than you know. Is DNA an "over-reaching" application? Is genome sequencing and "over-reaching" application?

How much time have you spent in a lab running experiments? It's easy to make false claims when you haven't done the work yourself. Originally Posted by Roger.Smith

Seriously. What false claims? Be specific.

They have no answer to the origin of life, and cannot reproduce it in
a lab, we can start with that one.

No experiment or theory tested has ever generated new life.

You do seem to be much smarter than I am when it comes to science, so please answer my earlier question.

You stated that the Big Bang Theory is the best explanation correct?
Why are all the galaxies not the same age since they were created at the same time

Thank u Originally Posted by pwood

Gravity. To assume that all galaxies are moving away from a single point and the same speed, you would have to ignore gravity. Zero gravity would only exist in an empty universe. The stars in the sky prove out Universe is not empty.

That's just ONE of many reasons.

Seriously. What false claims? Be specific.

They have no answer to the origin of life, and cannot reproduce it in
a lab, we can start with that one.

No experiment or theory tested has ever generated new life. Originally Posted by bojulay

Being that all matter is made of atoms, and the heavier atoms are created by nuclear fusion from large stars going Supernova it's pretty easy to follow. We haven't created nuclear fusion in a lab, but there's an example of it in the sky. We call it the Sun. So is the Sun fake since we can't create nuclear fusion in a lab? Obviously not.

Water is two parts Hydrogen, one part oxygen. Hence the name H2O. The atoms that form the calcium in our bones and the iron that make our blood red were all forged in the heart of dying stars. Looking out in space with telescopes we can see large clouds of gas and dust coalescing to form stars and planetary nebulas. Seems pretty self-evident.

It'd make more sense if people worshipped the Sun, not that I recommend that. The Sun is just a ball of Hydrogen in the sky, but it's the main reason we're here. The premise that a god or some pink unicorn that eats marshmallows is responsible for our existence just because we can't recreate what we see in nature in a lab in HIGHLY preposterous. It just means that we don't understand the methodolgy, YET.

Roger
Thank you for your answer

Being that all matter is made of atoms, and the heavier atoms are created by nuclear fusion from large stars going Supernova it's pretty easy to follow. We haven't created nuclear fusion in a lab, but there's an example of it in the sky. We call it the Sun. So is the Sun fake since we can't create nuclear fusion in a lab? Obviously not.

Water is two parts Hydrogen, one part oxygen. Hence the name H2O. The atoms that form the calcium in our bones and the iron that make our blood red were all forged in the heart of dying stars. Looking out in space with telescopes we can see large clouds of gas and dust coalescing to form stars and planetary nebulas. Seems pretty self-evident.

It'd make more sense if people worshipped the Sun, not that I recommend that. The Sun is just a ball of Hydrogen in the sky, but it's the main reason we're here. The premise that a god or some pink unicorn that eats marshmallows is responsible for our existence just because we can't recreate what we see in nature in a lab in HIGHLY preposterous. It just means that we don't understand the methodolgy, YET. Originally Posted by Roger.Smith

No it means you would have thousands of strands of three dimensional
four bit coding, otherwise known as DNA strands, that would of had to
just pop into existence, along with the proteins needed to synthesize
the DNA.

And there is the pesky little problem of needing protein for DNA, and DNA
protein, you must have one to get the other.

And that is only one of the many processes needed to get just one
functioning cell.

The complexity of one cell is greater than the complexity you find
within the workings and systems of a large city like NY.

No it means you would have thousands of strands of three dimensional
four bit coding, otherwise known as DNA strands, that would of had to
just pop into existence, along with the proteins needed to synthesize
the DNA.

And there is the pesky little problem of needing protein for DNA, and DNA
protein, you must have one to get the other.

And that is only one of the many processes needed to get just one
functioning cell.

The complexity of one cell is greater than the complexity you find
within the workings and systems of a large city like NY. Originally Posted by bojulay

Your reply is totally unrelated to what I typed, which lets me know you really don’t understand the science. I was talking about atomic bonds through nuclear fusion and your answer (unbeknownst to you) references biochemistry. You also ignored my rebuke of your claim that because we can’t replicate nature in a lab, that it must be supernatural.

Your response is nothing more that words thrown together to form a scientifically incoherent paragraph. Nevertheless, I’ll address it:

-Of course DNA is three-dimensional. Real life is 3D. Cartoons are 2D. The three dimensions are length, height, and width. That’s actually Geometry, a type of math (I can’t believe I typed that in 2014). The physical universe is three-dimensional. You’re trying to make it sound complex by throwing in big terms. I’m not a science novice, posturing isn’t going to make me forget a lifetime of study.

-To your second point, you need to update your creationist literature. What you’re referring to is the “which came first, chicken or egg” scenario. DNA, which is made of nucleic acids, is needed to build protein. Proteins are needed to build nucleic acids. It’s been proved over in over since the 90’s that RNA can store genetic information and cause the required chemical reactions to copy itself. That single-stranded RNA eventually evolved into double-stranded DNA. There are literally dozens of peer-review studies on the Internet. If you so chose, you could conduct the experiments yourself and see the results. That’s the beauty of science; the claims made aren’t some mystery. The experiments are published for others to review, test, and confirm.

Nucleic acids (RNA and DNA) are made up of Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Carbon, and Phosphorus atomically bonded. It’s not magic dust, or what the Bible claims humans were created from, dirt. All matter is made up of atoms. Those atoms are created through nuclear fusion.

-You talk about cell complexity like there is only one kind of cell in the body. There are many different kinds of cells in the body. Some are more complex that others. Again, you’re typing big words trying to pretend like you have an understanding of what you’re talking about, but you don’t. Not trying to be rude, just stating the obvious. You talk about cells like they are the end all be all. Some cells need hormones to trigger functions or else they don’t do shit. Just because something is beyond your understanding doesn’t mean everyone else shares your lack of knowledge on the subject.

Your reply is totally unrelated to what I typed, which lets me know you really don’t understand the science. I was talking about atomic bonds through nuclear fusion and your answer (unbeknownst to you) references biochemistry. You also ignored my rebuke of your claim that because we can’t replicate nature in a lab, that it must be supernatural.

Your response is nothing more that words thrown together to form a scientifically incoherent paragraph. Nevertheless, I’ll address it:

-Of course DNA is three-dimensional. Real life is 3D. Cartoons are 2D. The three dimensions are length, height, and width. That’s actually Geometry, a type of math (I can’t believe I typed that in 2014). The physical universe is three-dimensional. You’re trying to make it sound complex by throwing in big terms. I’m not a science novice, posturing isn’t going to make me forget a lifetime of study.

-To your second point, you need to update your creationist literature. What you’re referring to is the “which came first, chicken or egg” scenario. DNA, which is made of nucleic acids, is needed to build protein. Proteins are needed to build nucleic acids. It’s been proved over in over since the 90’s that RNA can store genetic information and cause the required chemical reactions to copy itself. That single-stranded RNA eventually evolved into double-stranded DNA. There are literally dozens of peer-review studies on the Internet. If you so chose, you could conduct the experiments yourself and see the results. That’s the beauty of science; the claims made aren’t some mystery. The experiments are published for others to review, test, and confirm.

Nucleic acids (RNA and DNA) are made up of Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Carbon, and Phosphorus atomically bonded. It’s not magic dust, or what the Bible claims humans were created from, dirt. All matter is made up of atoms. Those atoms are created through nuclear fusion.

-You talk about cell complexity like there is only one kind of cell in the body. There are many different kinds of cells in the body. Some are more complex that others. Again, you’re typing big words trying to pretend like you have an understanding of what you’re talking about, but you don’t. Not trying to be rude, just stating the obvious. You talk about cells like they are the end all be all. Some cells need hormones to trigger functions or else they don’t do shit. Just because something is beyond your understanding doesn’t mean everyone else shares your lack of knowledge on the subject. Originally Posted by Roger.Smith

Ha! You talk about complexity as if it were no big thing.
Where do you get RNA developing from inert matter to
form DNA and then cells, you make a feeble attempt at
reducing the complexity of cells, like calming to win an
argument that apartments are smaller than houses, so
an apartment could build itself, laughable.

Here is a little documentary about the origin of life science
put out by the BBC, one of the most atheistic organizations
the planet, it was put out a few years ago and at present
they have even fewer options.

New research has shown that due to the late bombardment
of asteroids and meteorites on the earth, the earth was a
molten mass right before life is found on it, and no prebiotics,
which are the vital components for the beginning of life,
are to be found on the earth at that time.

One scientist at a recent origin of life science conference
is noted as saying that we are down to (aliens must have
done it.) Because we have eliminated everything else.

BBC documentary Life Is Impossible.
At 32:00 in, a scientist explains that just to get the nucleotides
that make up RNA through some random naturalistic event,
would have the odds of 1 with 109 zeros, that is greater than
the number of atoms in the whole universe which is estimated
to be around 1 with 87 zeros. In mathematics any problem with
the odds greater than 1 with 50 zeros is considered an impossibility.

While I completely agree the things you say are disrespectful, they truely don't bother me. I know thats not what you want to hear because it is obvious that it is your whole intent by the words you choose.

Like I said earlier, that is just part of the beauty of faith. Your disrespect and intolerance does nothing to me, but it speaks volumes about you. You're just letting people know that you have to try and put people down to feel better about yourself. And that's ok, most people know thats what weak and insecure people do. That's the only coping mechanism some people have. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

Don't confuse disrespect for your blind faith with intolerance of it. As long as you keep your faith in your churches and keep it out of our schools and our laws, as guaranteed by our constitution, I'm happy for you to believe whatever you want.

You seem to have some kind of hard-on for me even though you don't know me, so I'm guessing it's some kind of Taliban-like thing directed at an obvious infidel.

Ha! You talk about complexity as if it were no big thing.
Where do you get RNA developing from inert matter to
form DNA and then cells, you make a feeble attempt at
reducing the complexity of cells, like calming to win an
argument that apartments are smaller than houses, so
an apartment could build itself, laughable.

Here is a little documentary about the origin of life science
put out by the BBC, one of the most atheistic organizations
the planet, it was put out a few years ago and at present
they have even fewer options.

New research has shown that due to the late bombardment
of asteroids and meteorites on the earth, the earth was a
molten mass right before life is found on it, and no prebiotics,
which are the vital components for the beginning of life,
are to be found on the earth at that time.

One scientist at a recent origin of life science conference
is noted as saying that we are down to (aliens must have
done it.) Because we have eliminated everything else.

BBC documentary Life Is Impossible.
At 32:00 in, a scientist explains that just to get the nucleotides
that make up RNA through some random naturalistic event,
would have the odds of 1 with 109 zeros, that is greater than
the number of atoms in the whole universe which is estimated
to be around 1 with 87 zeros. In mathematics any problem with
the odds greater than 1 with 50 zeros is considered an impossibility.


Originally Posted by bojulay

I've already told you were we get RNA and DNA. It's right there in my post that you quoted:

Nucleic acids (RNA and DNA) are made up of Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Carbon, and Phosphorus atomically bonded. It’s not magic dust, or what the Bible claims humans were created from, dirt. All matter is made up of atoms. Those atoms are created through nuclear fusion.



Above is the atomic structure of DNA.
H=Hydrogen, O=Oxygen, N=Nitrogen, C=Carbon, P=Phosphorus.
CH2 is Methylene.CH3 is Methyl.

Hey, guess what? Still atoms. Not dirt or magic dust. DNA is an organic compound. There are MILLIONS organic compounds, and even more inorganic compounds. You only focus on DNA because up until now, you probably didn't know what an organic compound was. Obviously those compounds do form life because we're here now, even though we don’t know the step-by-step process.

Like my earlier post referenced, just because we can’t replicate nature in a lab doesn’t mean it must be a god or some pink unicorn that shoot sparkles out it’s ass. Not being able to replicate was we see in nature in a lab only says we don’t understand the mechanics. Just because we can’t replicate nuclear fusion, doesn’t mean nuclear fusion is fake. The Sun is an example of Nuclear Fusion at work. You're only capable of copying and pasting things you find, but you're incapable of understanding them.

Let’s take a look at what you believe:


Genesis 6:1 - And so humankind became abundant on the earth.



Genesis 6:1 - And daughters were born to them.




Genesis 6:2 - The sons of God saw that the daughters of humankind were good.



Genesis 6:2 - And they took for themselves any women they chose.



Genesis 6:3 - And God said, 'My spirit will not remain in humankind forever since they are flesh. Their time will be 120 years.'


Genesis 6:4 - The sons of God had sex with the daughters of humankind.



Genesis 6:4 - And they bore them children.


Genesis 6:4 - And there were giants on the earth in those days—and afterwards too. These were the famous mighty men of old.


Genesis 6:5-6 -- God saw that the wrongdoing of humankind was abundant on the earth, and their thoughts were only toward wrongdoing at all times. And he regretted having made humankind on earth, and it pained his heart.



Genesis 6:7- And God said, 'I will wipe out humankind from the face of the earth. Humans, animals, creatures, and birds. For I regret having made them.'

Really? Animals and birds too? WTF did they do?

http://www.bricktestament.com/home.html

Revelation 4:2-3; Immediately I was in the spirit, and there in heaven stood a throne, with someone seated on the throne who looked like jasper and carnelian stone. A rainbow surrounded the throne that looked like emerald.



Revelation 4:6-8 - Around the throne were four living creatures, covered with eyes, each with six wings. The first living creature was like a lion.



Revelation 4:7
The second was like a bull.


Revelation 4:7
The third had a face like a man.



Revelation 4:7
The fourth was like a flying eagle.


Revelation 4:5-6, 8
Day and night they never stop singing, 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God the Almighty, who was, who is, and is to come.' In front of the throne was a sea of glass like crystal, and seven lamps were blazing in front of the throne.



Revelation 4:4
Around the throne was a circle of twenty-four thrones. Twenty-four elders sat on the thrones, dressed in white robes with crowns on their heads.


Revelation 4:9-11
Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor, and thanks to the one who sits on the throne, the twenty-four elders cast their crowns before the throne, prostrate themselves, and sing, 'You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, because you created all things.'



Revelation 5:1-2
Then in the right hand of the one seated on the throne, I saw a scroll sealed with seven seals. And a powerful angel proclaimed with a loud voice, 'Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?'



Revelation 5:3-4
But no one in heaven, on earth, or under the earth could open the scroll. And I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll.


Revelation 5:5
Then one of the elders said to me, 'Do not weep! Look, the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.'


Revelation 5:6
Then between the throne and the four living creatures, I saw a lamb standing and looking as if it had been killed. It had seven horns and seven eyes.



Revelation 5:7
The lamb took the scroll from the right hand of the one sitting on the throne.



Revelation 5:8-10
When he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders sang a new song, singing, 'You are worthy to open the seals of the scroll, because with your blood you purchased men for God from every nation to be priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.'



Revelation 5:11-12
Then I heard the voice of many angels, numbering 10,000,000. They surrounded the throne and sang, 'Worthy is the lamb that was slaughtered to receive power, wealth, wisdom, might, honor, glory and blessing!'



Revelation 5:13
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, singing, 'To the one seated on the throne and to the lamb be blessing, honor, glory, and might, for ever and ever!'



Revelation 5:14
The four living creatures said, 'Amen.'

Don't confuse disrespect for your blind faith with intolerance of it. As long as you keep your faith in your churches and keep it out of our schools and our laws, as guaranteed by our constitution, I'm happy for you to believe whatever you want.

You seem to have some kind of hard-on for me even though you don't know me, so I'm guessing it's some kind of Taliban-like thing directed at an obvious infidel. Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

Well there we go Lust. We are in 100% agreement. Church and state should be kept separate, just like it says in the constitution. But that part of the constitution is hardly ever threatened. It is the infringement of the rights of the people to keep and bear arms and the protection from illegal searches that is constantly under attack right now.

And I don't have a hard on for you Lust. I am all for your choice to believe as you want. As long as those choices don't involve murder and violence, more power to person. And I don't belittle people for their choices.

Good day