"Question everything" is racist (black "jogger") shooting

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/cops-t...ent-in-a-park/ Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Now if that happened in New Orleans Mr Arbery would have had a kicked ass for running his big mouth, lol.

I'll never understand why people talk back to cops. I don't give a fuck what a cop tells me to do. I shut up and do it and I just say "yes sir" to everything.

My dad told me when I got my license at 16 that it is very likely a cop may pull me over because I looked so young at the time and they may not believe I am driving legally. He said you treat them just as if it's me and you shut up and do what you are told... the talk with my dad wasn't all warm and fuzzy though because he said if you are doing something illegal and they arrest you, you better hope they keep your ass in jail because you'll be safer there than with me.

Is it safe to assume if it is later found by a court that no probable cause existed for the original arrest that any evidence seized from that resulting in arrest would also be inadmissible, and any charges dependent upon the fruit of that poisonous tree would also be dropped? Originally Posted by friendly fred

It depends on what you mean by "safe" ... first of all there are some legal issues associated with the commonly held view that the evidence sought to be excluded would "inevitably" have been found and/or discovered irrespective of any flaw in the thought processes of the officer. Similar in theory is the law that a person cannot legally resist arrest even though it may be found later by a judge or jury that the person was not guilty.

The 4th amendment has to be read in the context of the times when it is read and not when it was originally crafted. The modern age of cars, planes, and electronic communication has made it necessary for exceptions to the warrant requirement of the amendment as well as to the "probable cause" standard.

Justice Thomas recently wrote on the broad subject matter and I will find you a name and cite of the case. He was focused on Terry ("stop and frisk") and it's meaning. It has been regularly and too long misinterpreted even though the Court did in Sibron vs. New York found in the U.S. reporter JUST AFTER TERRY, in which they combined two cases with different outcomes in the opinion (often done by the Court) to emphasis what their instructions in Terry were for the street cops.

The short is: The phrase "stop and frisk" has been, and is, wrongfully interpreted to mean that the officer has the authority TO STOP SOMEONE who they reasonably suspect of some specific criminal conduct and "frisk" the person. That's not what Terry says, and Sibron explains it.

The "fruit of the poisonous tree" has exceptions and the most frequently used is the one I mentioned: "inevitable discovery"! Please keep in mind that the "punishment" for violating the 4th amendment is prohibiting the introduction into evidence of the fruit "poisoned" by the tree. That doesn't mean the case will be dismissed unless the prohibited evidence is all the evidence there is to prove the crime charged and no other evidence exists to prove all of the elements of the offense. It's not automatic.

Not to be advocating for the sorry excuses for Federal LE that boxed Flynn into a lie to get a conviction on him, but the Judge presiding over the case has the authority on the Federal rules to determine whether or not a case will be dismissed or tried. The Judge also has the authority to determine whether a plea can be withdraw and/or a new trial granted so the admission can be withdrawn or set aside. Lying to a Judge is a bad thing. Admitting to perjury to a Judge and then seeking to withdraw the admission is also a bad thing ... and it is tantamount to lying.

Defendants admit to shit all the time they didn't do, and/or should not have pled guilty upon. It's a manner of "settling" the case at a lower level without risking a long sentence....for instance misdemeanor cases pled out "for time served"! Later on they regret it ... almost always ... most particularly in Federal courts during the sentencing phase....even if they don't have a problem with it if they elect to testify.

Recess....!

I'll never understand why people talk back to cops. I don't give a fuck what a cop tells me to do. I shut up and do it and I just say "yes sir" to everything.

My dad told me when I got my license at 16 that it is very likely a cop may pull me over because I looked so young at the time and they may not believe I am driving legally. He said you treat them just as if it's me and you shut up and do what you are told... the talk with my dad wasn't all warm and fuzzy though because he said if you are doing something illegal and they arrest you, you better hope they keep your ass in jail because you'll be safer there than with me. Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

your dad... was a piece of work. lol.

your dad... was a piece of work. lol. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

I left out the part of that lovely talk that he said if I ever got arrested, don't ever bother calling him about posting my bail. I was only 16 and I didn't even know what the fuck "bail" even meant then. I probably thought he was referring to hay at the time. LOL

Edit: To his credit though, I guess there is a reason I've never been arrested and I never will be, so I do thank him for the tough love he gave me.

Before I was 16 had I gotten "caught" by the police I wouldn't have wanted "bail" .... I would have wanted to remain in "protective custody" to avoid the wrath of my parents. At 16 and later it didn't matter.

I was not home.

LM seems to be a late bloomer. Had to wait to 16 to get a "license"!

your dad... was a piece of work. lol. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

It doesn't seem like he was a loving father, only one who didn't want to be embarrassed or inconvenienced by his son. (assuming he was really the father, since Lucas's mother was a known whore)

Considering his son Lucas participates in unnatural sexual acts with other men, he had a reason to be concerned.

Eye opener for the afro- americans

"The White Liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical than the Conservative. The White Liberal has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor. The White Liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn." — Malcolm X

whenever will they learn?

Eye opener for the afro- americans

"The White Liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical than the Conservative. The White Liberal has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor. The White Liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn." — Malcolm X

whenever will they learn? Originally Posted by winn dixie

Some are. One Presidential election at a time.

The Obaminable-Biden-Clinton Cartel is revealing their racism one comment at a time .... and the "debates" haven't even begun. By Mid-August to Early September the Trump Stump Program will begin ... and while Biden is trying to get decent reception from his basement with his aviators on the Trump Band Wagon will be stuffing venues with old supporters and new ones who realized their businesses were open because Trump raised hell about the shutdowns. The last half economic growth and stock-market soar will be proof. The minorities in this country will be returning to work.

the Trump Band Wagon will be stuffing venues with old supporters and new ones who realized their businesses were open because Trump raised hell about the shutdowns. The last half economic growth and stock-market soar will be proof. The minorities in this country will be returning to work. Originally Posted by LexusLover

nonsense, LOL.. you think Trump's "raising Hell" about the shutdowns will endear more people to him? he orchestrated the shutdowns himself. last half economic growth? year over year will be negative, of course growth will tick up after a second quarter disaster. but just because places are open, doesn't mean people are there spending. 50% capacity means lots of bankruptcies and mortgage foreclosures.

the big question is why is Biden leading by such a large margin? nobody ever answers when I pose that question.

nonsense, LOL.. you think Trump's "raising Hell" about the shutdowns will endear more people to him? he orchestrated the shutdowns himself. last half economic growth? year over year will be negative, of course growth will tick up after a second quarter disaster. but just because places are open, doesn't mean people are there spending. 50% capacity means lots of bankruptcies and mortgage foreclosures.

the big question is why is Biden leading by such a large margin? nobody ever answers when I pose that question. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

the big question is why you think Biden is leading?

the big question is why you think Biden is leading? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

I'll answer.. because Trump has shunned many in the Electorate with his attitude and rhetoric. not particularly because of policy. of course under the pandemic, Trump naturally loses a few votes, as any President would. I don't think Trump realizes the negative impact his rhetoric has caused in peoples' feeling toward him as President.. in November he will lose a good chunk of those votes he got outside his "base" in 2016.

I think Trump believes he can be the same vicious-spirited Guy who won in 2016.. but that act has worn thin.

I'll answer.. because Trump has shunned many in the Electorate with his attitude and rhetoric. not particularly because of policy. of course under the pandemic, Trump naturally loses a few votes, as any President would. I don't think Trump realizes the negative impact his rhetoric has caused in peoples' feeling toward him as President.. in November he will lose a good chunk of those votes he got outside his "base" in 2016.

I think Trump believes he can be the same vicious-spirited Guy who won in 2016.. but that act has worn thin. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

who has he shunned? a few pussy hat bitches? some libtards in Kalifornica? Andy and Fredo CuHOMO? these people didn't support Trump in 2016 to begin with and they'll vote for senile Joe just like they did for Clinton. Trump's base is larger than you and the press want to believe.



you will vote for Trump again because you know Biden is senile and Trump is a better president than Biden could be even if he was in his prime.

who has he shunned? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

https://www.axios.com/biden-polling-...4e54a2464.html

the big question is why you think Biden is leading? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Sheepeople follow msnbc and cnn