Shithole countries use face masks

I don't have passive/aggressive TDS. Look at every reference I've made to Trump in this thread for example. I said the CDC and FDA, not Trump, were primarily responsible for the delays in ramping up testing. I suggested Trump, Schumer and Pelosi eat pussy together. I said that CNN had morphed into an anti-Trump network. And I said that Trump is thin-skinned. That's not passive aggressive, that's the way most informed people view the world, except for the pussy eating part. As to tariffs, yes, I believe in free trade, while protecting the security interests of the United States. That was the position of the Republican Party after Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression and before Donald Trump.

In other words, I haven't been brainwashed by the media to believe Trump is the Messiah or the Antichrist. I do not suffer from TDS, where I detest everything he says or does, or from TES (Trump Enlightenment Syndrome), where I have to do mental gymnastics to justify everything he says or does. Trump belongs in the same category as Barrack Obama, George W. Bush and Jimmy Carter. He's a mediocre president. Originally Posted by Tiny

But he wasn't Hillary and that's what mattered most. It also mattered, his stance on immigration, judges, regulations and reducing corporate income tax to spur on more business and YES his buy American stance before Joe adopted it. if Trump and Joe are both for something, it must be a good idea.


Has Trump succeeded in getting companies back to America or at least out of China, not as much as I would like but would Biden do better? Hell, he might get his whole family in on a China deal if he hasn't already.


When you try to be a middle of the road moderate Tiny and I commend you for it, you are going to take incoming from both sides, it's the nature of hardcore politics. I think on most things, you are more right than wrong. now I'll get the incoming.

I've actually been there. Nobody in this thread believes anything I say but I really do know shithole countries. Maybe not as well as ICU 812, but still pretty well. Originally Posted by Tiny

I saw Chittagong, East Pakistan now Bangladesh and Bombay, India 1967. You want to talk shithole countries? In the late 60's in the US Navy, I witnessed the definition of a shithole country and if I close my eyes and try to "re-imagine" as the Progressives love to say, I can still smell those countries. It's something you can never forget, how great it is to live in America.


I hope I can still say that in a couple of years.

HF, I'm actually not a centrist, but way to the left on social issues and way to the right on the economy. I saw a chart that would indicate only 4% of America agrees with me. I've got to get along in the real world when we talk politics or I get ostracized. As to shithole countries, the ones I was referring to, like South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan, actually aren't shitholes, at least anymore. Their cities are the equal of ours. Once or twice when I'd say we ought to copy what they're doing on Covid, what I got in response what they're shitholes and whatever they did won't work in the USA.

I'd actually love to see Bangladesh and Mumbai (Bombay). Never been there. But only after getting all my shots and with a daily dose of doxycycline, to ward off the malaria and gonorrhea.

And, getting this back on topic, wear a mask. If you get Covid, there's a good chance the symptoms won't be as bad. It could be the difference between life and death:

We've got remdesivir and dexamethasone, and a higher % of people being infected with Covid-19 are younger. Now here's something else to add to the list of why the infection fatality rate of Covid-19 should decrease. More people are wearing masks.

If you wear a mask, it cuts down on the amount of virus you're exposed to when/if you're infected. This, as strange is it may seem, reduces the severity of the symptoms.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...he-coronavirus

Masks don’t filter out all viral particles, [Dr. Monica] Gandhi said. But even cloth face masks filter out a majority of viral particles.

And even if a person wearing a mask gets infected, the mask — by filtering out most of the viral particles exhaled by the infected person — probably leads to less severe disease, Gandhi said.

The idea that a lower dose of virus when being infected brings less illness is a well-worn idea in medicine.

Even going back to 1938, there was a study showing that by giving mice a higher dose of a deadly virus, the mice were more likely to get severe disease and die, Gandhi said.

The same principle applies to humans. A study published in 2015 gave healthy volunteers varying doses of a flu virus; those who got higher doses got sicker, with more coughing and shortness of breath, Gandhi said.

And another study suggested that the reason the second wave of the 1918-19 flu pandemic was the deadliest in the U.S. was because of the overcrowded conditions faced in Army camps as World War I wound down. “In 1918, the Army camps [were] characterized by a high number of contacts between people and by a high case-fatality rate, sometimes 5 to 8 times higher than the case-fatality rate among civilian communities,” the study said.

Finally, a study published in May found that surgical mask partitions significantly reduced the transmission of the coronavirus among hamsters. And even if the hamsters protected by the mask partitions acquired the coronavirus, “they were more likely to get very mild disease,” Gandhi said.

....There’s more evidence that masks can be protective — even when wearers do become infected. She cited an outbreak at a seafood plant in Oregon where employees were given masks, and 95% of those who were infected were asymptomatic.

Gandhi also cited the experience of a cruise ship that was traveling from Argentina to Antartica in March when the coronavirus infected people on board, as documented in a recent study. Passengers got surgical masks; the crew got N95 masks.

But instead of about 40% of those infected being asymptomatic — which is what would normally be expected — 81% of those testing positive were asymptomatic, and the masking may have helped reduce the severity of disease in people on board, Gandhi said.

The protective effects are also seen in countries where masks are universally accepted for years, such as Taiwan, Thailand, South Korea and Singapore. “They have all seen cases as they opened ... but not deaths,” Gandhi said.

The Czech Republic moved early to require masks, issuing an order in mid-March, Gandhi said; that’s about three months before Gov. Gavin Newsom did so statewide in California. But in the Czech Republic, “every time their cases would go up ...their death rate was totally flat. So they didn’t get the severe illness with these cases going on.”

By May, the Czech Republic lifted its face mask rule. “And they’re doing great,” Gandhi said. Originally Posted by Tiny

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HF and Tiny - you both post cogent, constructive opinions respectfully.
My respect to both of You.

Thank You!



No Shots fired from me!

There is a contingent of particularly virulent liberal posters that could learn a good lesson from the style of posting You both exhibit.

HF, I'm actually not a centrist, but way to the left on social issues and way to the right on the economy. I saw a chart that would indicate only 4% of America agrees with me. I've got to get along in the real world when we talk politics or I get ostracized. As to shithole countries, the ones I was referring to, like South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan, actually aren't shitholes, at least anymore. Their cities are the equal of ours. Once or twice when I'd say we ought to copy what they're doing on Covid, what I got in response what they're shitholes and whatever they did won't work in the USA.

I'd actually love to see Bangladesh and Mumbai (Bombay). Never been there. But only after getting all my shots and with a daily dose of doxycycline, to ward off the malaria and gonorrhea.

And, getting this back on topic, wear a mask. If you get Covid, there's a good chance the symptoms won't be as bad. It could be the difference between life and death: Originally Posted by Tiny

I was wondering if you would take offense to my description of you. Middle of the road moderate has become offensive but I did mean it as a compliment but I think you know that.



I would describe my self as "leaning" left on social issues because the social issues of today are not the social issue I grew up with. In other words, if someone looks like a man, I'm going to address him using the "old" male pronoun HE and if he doesn't like it, he can shove it where the sun don't shine is my current social stance.



I was reading something today and noticed that the writer kept saying "they" although the writer was talking about a singular person and it dawned on me why he was using "they". I wonder if he got permission to use they because that person may "prefer" a different gender, binary or non binary pronoun. If one wants to be PC, which I don't, one must be careful.


And yeah, far right on economic issues.

HF and Tiny - you both post cogent, constructive opinions respectfully.
My respect to both of You.

Thank You!



No Shots fired from me!

There is a contingent of particularly virulent liberal posters that could learn a good lesson from the style of posting You both exhibit. Originally Posted by oeb11

Thank you.


Seems to be something in the anonymity of a keyboard that brings out the rudeness in some people. Some are just that way in person too. I've always thought that rude people are basically unhappy people and I've always been a happy guy. Maybe that's just my White, good looking, privilege talking. Good thing I don't need a job, I'd be out of work faster than that lady at the NYT's.

HF and Tiny - you both post cogent, constructive opinions respectfully.
My respect to both of You.

Thank You!



No Shots fired from me!

There is a contingent of particularly virulent liberal posters that could learn a good lesson from the style of posting You both exhibit. Originally Posted by oeb11

HF, I'm actually not a centrist, but way to the left on social issues and way to the right on the economy. I saw a chart that would indicate only 4% of America agrees with me. I've got to get along in the real world when we talk politics or I get ostracized. As to shithole countries, the ones I was referring to, like South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan, actually aren't shitholes, at least anymore. Their cities are the equal of ours. Once or twice when I'd say we ought to copy what they're doing on Covid, what I got in response what they're shitholes and whatever they did won't work in the USA.

I'd actually love to see Bangladesh and Mumbai (Bombay). Never been there. But only after getting all my shots and with a daily dose of doxycycline, to ward off the malaria and gonorrhea.

And, getting this back on topic, wear a mask. If you get Covid, there's a good chance the symptoms won't be as bad. It could be the difference between life and death: Originally Posted by Tiny

So if you wear a face mask and you get Covid-19 the symptoms won't be as bad. How do you know that?

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Originally Posted by oeb11
HF and Tiny - you both post cogent, constructive opinions respectfully.
My respect to both of You.

Thank You!



No Shots fired from me!

There is a contingent of particularly virulent liberal posters that could learn a good lesson from the style of posting You both exhibit.







And - the self-identified surface - as expected!!!

What about when I buy a KNN for my car I where one too.

HF, I'm actually not a centrist, but way to the left on social issues and way to the right on the economy. I saw a chart that would indicate only 4% of America agrees with me... Originally Posted by Tiny

Duh-ooh! I'm shocked. Shocked I say. Where's my shocked face anyway?

...And, getting this back on topic, wear a mask. If you get Covid, there's a good chance the symptoms won't be as bad. It could be the difference between life and death: Originally Posted by Tiny

Can you share that science? The one that says a case of contracted COVID is less bad if you caught it while wearing a mask, that is. While you're at it, you happen to have the package your mask(s) came it that says it stops the spread of disease(s), especially Influenza type illnesses?

So if you wear a face mask and you get Covid-19 the symptoms won't be as bad. How do you know that? Originally Posted by Levianon17

I didn't say that. As to why I know there's a good chance the symptoms wouldn't be as bad, it's in the L.A. Times article, as described by Dr. Gandhi, which I referenced above. You can click on links in the article (again, see above) that will show,

1. When researchers injected influenza virus into peoples' noses, they got sicker when a higher quantity of the virus was injected.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4342672/

2. Researchers put two hamster cages side by side. In one cage they put a hamster which had been infected with Covid 19. In the second cage they put a hamster without Covid 19. They adjusted airflow so it went from the cage with the infected hamster to the cage with the uninfected hamster. 67% of originally uninfected hamsters got Covid 19. Then they did the same experiment with a partition made of surgical mask between the cages. The transmission rate was reduced to 16.7%, and more importantly, those 16.7% had "lower clinical scores, milder histopathological changes, and lower viral nuceleocapsid antigen expression in respiratory tract tissues" than the 67% of hamsters that were infected in the previous experiment. In other words, the surgical mask partition caused symptoms to be less severe. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4342672/

3. There was an outbreak of Covid-19 at a seafood packing plant in Oregon.https://www.statesmanjournal.com/sto...es/5320669002/ Employees were given masks, and 95% were asymptomatic.

Gandhi also cited a cruise ship where passengers were given masks and a high % of passengers infected were asymptomatic, as well as the Czech Republic, which showed a drop in infection fatality rate after masks were required.

I've heard this on television or read it several times before, that if you're infected with a lower quantity of the virus, your symptoms may not be as bad.

Can you share that science? The one that says a case of contracted COVID is less bad if you caught it while wearing a mask, that is. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

See above, response to Levianon and link to L.A. Times article.

While you're at it, you happen to have the package your mask(s) came it that says it stops the spread of disease(s), especially Influenza type illnesses? Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

As you and I have already posted, several times, masks are advised for influenza only if you've got symptoms. Coronaviruses are different. The research is pretty conclusive that masks help prevent spread of coronaviruses.