A proud Democrat, and a patriot, too, despite what Trump says.

Muy Largo, very well said. No matter what one's political views are, it is wrong to stereotype all as being the same in their views. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Which is exactly the point I was trying to make and admittedly should have done so with a lot fewer words but then, I am full of myself I acknowledge.


ML is complaining that he hates being lumped into a category of "all Democrats" believe the same thing according to Trump. Isn't that exactly what the Liberal opposition does? You know damn well it is. In this respect, the leaders of the Democrat party and many of it's adherents, are exactly the same as Trump, lumping all persons of one party or another as the same.


But I have no doubt that this view will not be accepted because it came from someone who says they will vote to re-elect Trump. That view no matter how valid will not be accepted and you know it SR.



It is wrong to stereotype every person that supports the re-election of Trump as having the same beliefs or would you disagree with that?


So the truth is that ML, SR and HF all agree that it is wrong to stereotype all as being the same in their views. I could have saved myself a lot of time if I had just said that to begin with.


I'll ask you a question SR, can an Independent that leans Conservative and will vote to re-elect Trump be a patriot to America? Or does that person hate America?

You wear the mantle of the victim well, HF. It looks good on you. Originally Posted by Lapdog

You seem to be overlooking the gist of ML's post. He is tired of being the victim of Trump or did you just miss that? Kind of hard to miss unless of course you aren't paying attention. My point was that he is not alone in feeling like a victim. I'm only using that word because you seem to be familiar with the word. I have never really considered myself a victim of anything because I'm above most political decisions. Damn few have any effect on my life.



No family to worry about being deported, being able to support, being able to protect. Don't need a job, have all the money I will ever need to get me to the end. Nothing Biden is going to do will change my life in any way. This is all a mere intellectual exercise for me. I like to debate politics.


Biden and the far left of the Democrat party merely offend my sensibilities which I will survive without taking to the street though if the street comes to me, that will be a different story.


I don't go to rallies, I don't protest in the street, I merely vote and accept the results of the vote and if not to my liking, I will support the opposition and try and change things to my liking with my voice and my support.


No victim here lapdog but then we see what we want to see don't we.

That is your opinion and although I disagree with it I support your right to vote for the person who best represents your political viewpoints. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I feel the same way. I just wish you would be more honest about your opinion. Did you read the Washington Post article that contradicted your view of Biden? I think you are a smart guy. Not all smart people agree. If you think Biden is going to revert back to a moderate Democrat after he is elected, I don't think you are being honest with yourself or with us.


But that's just another opinion.

I wish we could be treated based upon our individual views - but typically any white person who doesn't accept the left wing viewpoints gets called a racist. Originally Posted by friendly fred

lol. You just proved my point by stereotyping those on the left.

It is kind of sad that the rabble who supported the French Revolution did not support beheading the king, queen, and children of the royal family. The unwashed masses of the Russian Revolution did not condone the murder of the Czar and his family. The modern American democrat probably doesn't support beating people with bike locks, skateboards, or throwing Molotov cocktails but you will prevent arrests, you will protest those arrests, and you will remain silent to the vandalism and violence. If you don't speak up then you are just as guilty as the Germans who stood by and allowed Hitler to start a war. You are also as guilty as the southerners in 1860 and 1960 who let their leaders abuse a part of the population.
You are guilty and do deserve the recrimination unless you purge your ranks of the cancer that is threatening the democrat party. It is most certainly not threatening the GOP so it most be a democrat thing going back decades. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Well said. While I can believe that most Democrats do not support the burning, looting abuse of police, where are these voices because I do not hear them. We could watch hours and hours of burning, looting, criminals beating store owners and stealing their merchandise and all the Democrats I hear will say, " but most of the protests are peaceful" and will not acknowledge in any way the burning and looting. Or when they do, they say that burning down a business is not violence because the building can be re-built. Really? I thought burning down a building was arson and punishable with a very long jail sentence but most Democrats that I hear, do not want these people arrested and if they are, Democrats line up to pay their bail and demand from their elected officials that bail be done away with all together. And guess what, they got their wish in New York and Biden says he would like to see that in every state but the man that years ago wanted to lock people up for a long period of time, has now had a change of heart.


And what is the result of no bail in NYC? More crime! Who could have seen that coming, right? Criminal thinks, hell, if they are just going to turn me loose, I'll go out and do the same damn thing or worse if they aren't going to keep me in jail and I hear they just might be doing away with courts. trials and jail all together. Imagine what that will bring.


Oh! but that will never happen under a Biden administration, right?

lol. You just proved my point by stereotyping those on the left. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

No, I'm repeating what I hear on CNN and MSNBC and out of the mouths of many Democrats. I do not believe it is an exaggeration at this point to say that the vast majority of those on the Left, say that any White person that doesn't accept their view is a racist. Hell, we have White family members calling each other racists if they don't support Democrats. How much proof do I need that Whites that do not accept the Lefts opinion out of hand are racists?


Are you telling me that is not the majority view of Democrats?


It isn't stereotyping if it's true. What ML was saying is that Trump was stereotyping him in which case he is probably right. I do not believe I am stereotyping the Left when I am repeating what I am hearing them say in their own words.

He fiddles while Rome burns. Originally Posted by Lapdog

He's not responsible for Italian problems. Why do ignoramuses blame him for every friggin thing that happens throughout the World. You didn't blame Obaminable for the Ferguson riots and looting.

lol. You just proved my point by stereotyping those on the left. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

He didn't use the word "left"!

Those tagging everyone who doesn't agree with them as "racists" are "left"! They are LOONS!

He's not responsible for Italian problems. Why do ignoramuses blame him for every friggin thing that happens throughout the World. You didn't blame Obaminable for the Ferguson riots and looting. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Hey Einstein. I was using that example metaphorically. If you had even half of the intelligence that you come across as having, you would have caught that.

Which is exactly the point I was trying to make and admittedly should have done so with a lot fewer words but then, I am full of myself I acknowledge.

ML is complaining that he hates being lumped into a category of "all Democrats" believe the same thing according to Trump. Isn't that exactly what the Liberal opposition does? You know damn well it is. In this respect, the leaders of the Democrat party and many of it's adherents, are exactly the same as Trump, lumping all persons of one party or another as the same.

But I have no doubt that this view will not be accepted because it came from someone who says they will vote to re-elect Trump. That view no matter how valid will not be accepted and you know it SR.

It is wrong to stereotype every person that supports the re-election of Trump as having the same beliefs or would you disagree with that?

So the truth is that ML, SR and HF all agree that it is wrong to stereotype all as being the same in their views. I could have saved myself a lot of time if I had just said that to begin with.

I'll ask you a question SR, can an Independent that leans Conservative and will vote to re-elect Trump be a patriot to America? Or does that person hate America? Originally Posted by HedonistForever

To you it is either black or white. A person who votes for Trump is either a patriot to America or hates America based on whether the person making the assessment is on the left or the right. That is so wrong.

You will vote for Trump. I will vote for Biden. I'm sure that both of us love this country equally. I will probably disagree with many of your reasons for supporting Trump as you will disagree with many of my reasons for supporting Biden.

There are at least 20 issues on the minds of voters that will impact their vote.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/276932/...-election.aspx

I have little idea how you feel on each issue and you have little idea how I feel on each issue. And which candidate in all honesty would be best to address each issue. I have said that I believe Trump will bring back the economy faster than Biden, although I don't necessarily agree with how he will do it.

I don't stereotype Trump supporters. Yet since I am slightly left of center politically I have been stereotyped with those on the extreme left.

No, I'm repeating what I hear on CNN and MSNBC and out of the mouths of many Democrats. I do not believe it is an exaggeration at this point to say that the vast majority of those on the Left, say that any White person that doesn't accept their view is a racist. Hell, we have White family members calling each other racists if they don't support Democrats. How much proof do I need that Whites that do not accept the Lefts opinion out of hand are racists?

Are you telling me that is not the majority view of Democrats?

It isn't stereotyping if it's true. What ML was saying is that Trump was stereotyping him in which case he is probably right. I do not believe I am stereotyping the Left when I am repeating what I am hearing them say in their own words. Originally Posted by HedonistForever

First, I was not responding to your post but to the post of Fred.

I really don't know what the majority of those on the left feel about those on the right when it comes to race issues. I don't think Trump is a racist. I do think he makes comments that can be viewed as either racist or in the least insensitive how his comments will be viewed by people of color. Personally, I have never heard any of my friends who are on the left make a summary judgement by calling all those on the right racist. Or anything close to that. I certainly have not.

What I do honestly believe is that more people on the left are concerned with the lives of others than those on the right -- whether it is people of color, the LGBTQ community, the poor, refugees, support for those suffering in other countries, etc.

He didn't use the word "left"!

Those tagging everyone who doesn't agree with them as "racists" are "left"! They are LOONS! Originally Posted by LexusLover

Here was Fred's comment:

"I wish we could be treated based upon our individual views - but typically any white person who doesn't accept the left wing viewpoints gets called a racist."

I feel the same way. I just wish you would be more honest about your opinion. Did you read the Washington Post article that contradicted your view of Biden? I think you are a smart guy. Not all smart people agree. If you think Biden is going to revert back to a moderate Democrat after he is elected, I don't think you are being honest with yourself or with us.


But that's just another opinion. Originally Posted by HedonistForever

No, I did not see the Washington Post article so I have no idea to what you are referring. Please post a link but I have trouble accessing articles from the Washington Post. Maybe explain what was in the article that contradicted my view of Biden.

I do not agree with everything Biden is proposing. For example, I disagree with any tax plan that will increase taxes across the board. As I've said, 2016 is the first time in my rather long life I voted AGAINST a candidate for POTUS rather than FOR a candidate. Now to go along with my negative feelings about Trump as a person, which have grown since he took office, I can point to many failed policies in his 3 1/2 years in office. I am hardly alone. When Trump took office, his approval rating was +4.2%. It is now -15.5%. Source: 538.

If the majority of Democrats support the "Marxist Socialist" part of the platform....


then why wasn't Bernie the nominee?




Just something to ponder. Yeah-- the Marxist Socialists are the loudest in the party right now... but a lot of the loudest Republicans are pretty out there as well. There is a silent majority on both sides of the political fence.


One more thing-- I've seen a lot of people on both sides who wish for the other side to just disappear. Wanting an entire political faction to disappear is not Patriotism.. its Nationalism and its a dangerous slope.

I am a proud Democrat, and I enthusiastically support free enterprise, as do all of my friends who are members of the Democrat party. We also support a frugal, lean and service-oriented government, not a bloated government that feeds on special interest extravagance. Originally Posted by Muy Largo

I'll direct this to Muy Largo, but would be just as interested in replies from SR, MM, Lapdog, and others who are Democrats or left of center.

About the two issues I highlighted above, which are important to you: The Republican Party historically has been much friendlier to free enterprise than the Democratic Party. And of the minority of federal politicians who actually support "a frugal, lean and service-oriented government, not a bloated government that feeds on special interest extravagance", more often than not, they're Republicans.

Given that, could you see yourself voting for a Republican after the Divider in Chief is history? More specifically, which of the following, if any, could you support --

1. Republicans who had the backbone to criticize and sometimes oppose Trump, like Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake, John Kasich, maybe Susan Collins?

2. As you know, most politicians, Democrat and Republican, will sell their souls for a handful of votes or dollars or more power. And Trump had the power to torpedo the career of people who didn't tow his line, and wasn't afraid to use it. There are certain Republicans like Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham who recognized problems with Trump's character and views. In their hearts they know what's right, but they sold out. Could you support them?

3. To be complete, I'll throw out the third category, people like Jeff Sessions who supported him from the start, although I know what your answer will be.