Texas breaks 10,000 cases in one day

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have a better chance of dying in a car wreck. get the point now?
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...I challenge you to find a single one that shows masks don't work FOR CORONAVIRUSES... Originally Posted by Tiny
Mind if I do a few instead? And let's keep our collective head on squarely that CORONAVIRUSES are analogous to influenza like viruses, as well as the common cold. Leastwise in composition, size, efficacy and transmission elements.

  • Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
    • May 2020, something of a super study, aka review of multiple studies.
    • Basic conclusion: not significant effects
    • ...Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning....
    • It is what it is, but personally, I wash my hands many times a day and try not to touch my face and I burn through hand sanitizer something fierce
  • Coronavirus is airborne say 239 scientists in a letter to WHO
    • I've been searching for this information for a while now. Viola!
    • This is what happened on May 7th - which as you may recall was 1 single, solitary day before Dr. Fauci started wearing a face mask in public on May 8th
    • Points to the real places to focus. Hint: environmental air handling
  • Science: Masks and Aerosols
    • I call it "The Physics of the Loogie"
    • Anyway, a simple, easy to read explanation of human aerosols, droplets and splash concepts and how it all relates to masks

  • A personal story that happened to me last week
    • A friend received some "Fashion Masks", i.e. cloth masks with funny things printed on the front for use while working in a retail environment, i.e. mandated to wear masks at work in Austin
    • The tag in the packaging contained the following
      • This product is not a medical device and is not suitable for medical use
      • This product does not treat, prevent or cure any health conditions
      • Wash the mask before first use and after each use
      • Made at Hi-Tech Zone Zhejiang, China
    • Google-ize: hi-tech zone zhejiang china uyghur
    • Yields: China didn’t spare the Uyghurs even in times of pandemic, pushed them to Covid frontlines
      • ...China has sent thousands of Uyghurs to its manufacturing powerhouses at Hunan, Jiangsu, Jiangzi and Zhejiang to keep its factories after the lockdown...
      • Kidnapped, captive slaves is who made the masks
  • China Continues To Flood The World With Defective Medical Supplies
    • More than a dozen countries on four continents recently disclosed problems with Chinese-made coronavirus tests and personal protective equipment. The problems range from test kits tainted with the coronavirus to medical garments contaminated with insects. Defective Chinese face masks, purchased by Spain's Ministry of Health, were distributed to hospitals and nursing homes across the country, and more than 100 healthcare workers who used them tested positive for Covid-19....
  • Just touching base: So how ya feeling about those PPE thingies made in chYna these days?
  • Do face masks work (12 min)
    • Includes quotes from multiple sources, aka studies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8upEg-bEJ8
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I've looked through literally over a thousand charts and data sets looking for a chart of Reported cases over time, aka new cases, by week or day, versus tests performed, from the same source.... If'n you know of one, please share a link. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
I found it! Presumably for other states as well. Decent charts and seems current

The Covid Tracking Project - Texas

Scroll down to the Texas overview. There are button selection options to toggle and fiddle with. In a nutshell, you can see that rate of testing increase at about the same curve as new cases.

It does not seem to account for all the fuggery going on these days with high false positives, "new" versus "probable cases shenanigans, positives for people that registered to take the test - but didn't take it, yet were reported as positives and my new favorite "pool testing". Google-ize ' pool testing covid '

Pool testing is where they take samples for a group, let's say 60 people, run through on the same sample and if anyone tests positive - they are all considered positive. I know, sounds whack. Actually, I think the objective is to see if they are all negative in one fell swop. But I can see it being used to report a group of positives too.
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Check out Oscola FL , Fox news motorcycle death counted as Covid-19 , ( he had covid 19 but was fine till he was hit by a car ?)
So lets see hospitals get Fed money for treating Covid -19 so No one would push numbers you know like FRAUD ?
https://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=48701

Last winter, influenza and its complications killed more than 80,000 in the United States and hospitalized more than 900,000 — the highest totals for death and illness during a seasonal outbreak since CDC numbers on flu deaths were first reported in 1976. Previously, flu-related deaths had ranged from 12,000 in the 2011-12 season to the previous high of 56,000 in 2012-2013. The CDC figures are estimates based on statistical models.

there's always hope ...

in case yous missed the point ..
[SIZE=5]4,160 "deaths" because we all know this is being over-counted ..

Texas population 29.9 MILLION

[SIZE=5]i have a better chance of dying in a car wreck. get the point now? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
No, I don't get the point. Because you don't have one. 4,160 deaths that occurred mostly in a 2-3 month period for Texas. What does that come out to for the year - even assuming we don't have linear growth?

I wrote above that if we just averaged the 162 deaths that we had a few days ago, it would kill over 59,000 just in Texas in a year. We do not have any where neat that many deaths in car accidents.

And your 80K number is suspect. The CDC numbers for deaths in 2019-2020 flu season are here:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

That estimate is 36K to 56K.

However, even assuming 80K is correct, the flu season numbers for the US are counted under ordinary conditions, meaning NO masks, NO lockdowns, NO quarantines, NO social distancing.

Even with ALL of those measures, we STILL have over 150K deaths in the US in a little over 5 months. We will probably be over 250K by the end of December. Only 200K if we are very lucky.

Imagine how many deaths there would be if we listened to assholes like you and didn't take any of those precautions? The US would probably be up around 300K already, heading for a 1 million dead.
  • oeb11
  • 07-22-2020, 12:32 PM
thank You - anyone with a different POV is automatically an 'asshole'.

get a non-teacher's union education and learn to express differences of opinion in other than primitive Scatologic terms.
thank You - anyone with a different POV is automatically an 'asshole'. Originally Posted by oeb11
Under ordinary time and circumstances, I might simple call Waco ignorant.

But we aren't living in ordinary times. We have clueless fools recommending we do the exact opposite of what needs to be done to save lives.

They deny obvious facts because of some conspiracy theory they read on InfoWars.

They defend any mistake Trump makes because we is their guy.

They are no better than the assholes in the media who ignore Cuomo's fuckup in NY when he ordered nursing homes to take Covid positive patients and killed thousands as a result. Cuomo takes an imaginary victory lap around a mass grave and the leftist media cheer him on because he is their guy.
  • Tiny
  • 07-22-2020, 01:26 PM
Honestly, thanks for posting this. A couple of your links stress the need to maintain social distance and wash your hands. I have been trying to handle masks hygienically and have been disposing of them more often, and will probably be more anal about that as a result of reading this. Finally, I did interval training at a gym while wearing an N95 mask. Because of the effect it had on me and also from reading your sources I won't be doing that again.

Going back to what I said, "As to coronavirus and masks, I've read several papers and scanned more. I challenge you to find a single one that shows masks don't work FOR CORONAVIRUSES. (I agree with what you've written about influenza.)" You haven't done this, linked to a paper that shows masks don't work to help prevent the spread of coronaviruses. You have done a good job of showing the evidence for not wearing masks for influenza, unless you're symptomatic, but I agree with you on that.

Comments in red.



Mind if I do a few instead? And let's keep our collective head on squarely that CORONAVIRUSES are analogous to influenza like viruses, as well as the common cold. Leastwise in composition, size, efficacy and transmission elements.

  • Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
    • May 2020, something of a super study, aka review of multiple studies.
    • Basic conclusion: not significant effects
    • ...Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning....
    • It is what it is, but personally, I wash my hands many times a day and try not to touch my face and I burn through hand sanitizer something fierce


  • This is a metastudy for INFLUENZA, not for coronaviruses

    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...E7a.mp4?tag=10
    • 10 second, non-scientific, experiment regarding aerosols, breath condensation and vapor, which you would see similar if it was 28 degrees outside without the use of the vape.
Is this relevant? Somebody sucks in some smoke and exhales through a mask.
  • Coronavirus is airborne say 239 scientists in a letter to WHO
    • I've been searching for this information for a while now. Viola!
    • This is what happened on May 7th - which as you may recall was 1 single, solitary day before Dr. Fauci started wearing a face mask in public on May 8th
    • Points to the real places to focus. Hint: environmental air handling

I've been posting here about aerosols since late March or early April. How else can you explain, for example, 51 people being infected at a choir practice. This shows it makes sense at times to wear masks indoors even when you can maintain 10 feet of distance from other people. There is evidence for masks preventing spread in aerosols, for example the passenger with Covid who was coughing and wearing a mask on a flight from Toronto to China who didn't infect anyone. Yeah, the virus is small enough to slip through the mask and you can inhale or exhale through the sides. Still intuitively they are going to effect the flow of air and you'd think the aerosols with a higher concentration of the virus wouldn't be circulating as far from people who are infected if they wear masks.
  • Science: Masks and Aerosols
    • I call it "The Physics of the Loogie"
    • Anyway, a simple, easy to read explanation of human aerosols, droplets and splash concepts and how it all relates to masks
This is very short on evidence, except for a reference to INFLUENZA paper. Agreed about aerosols. I disagree that masks can't help prevent spread via aerosols.

The evidence if any would be in the 11 links and 9 videos. Don't have time to look at all this right now.

Another INFLUENZA paper

Contrary to the label, the masks do provide some protection to the wearer against Covid-19 and contaminants. The question is how much. This wording is to try to prevent lawsuits. The masks do provide more protection to the people around the wearer than to the wearer.
  • A personal story that happened to me last week
    • A friend received some "Fashion Masks", i.e. cloth masks with funny things printed on the front for use while working in a retail environment, i.e. mandated to wear masks at work in Austin
    • The tag in the packaging contained the following
      • This product is not a medical device and is not suitable for medical use
      • This product does not treat, prevent or cure any health conditions
      • Wash the mask before first use and after each use
      • Made at Hi-Tech Zone Zhejiang, China
    • Google-ize: hi-tech zone zhejiang china uyghur
    • Yields: China didn’t spare the Uyghurs even in times of pandemic, pushed them to Covid frontlines
      • ...China has sent thousands of Uyghurs to its manufacturing powerhouses at Hunan, Jiangsu, Jiangzi and Zhejiang to keep its factories after the lockdown...
      • Kidnapped, captive slaves is who made the masks

Irrelevant

Irrelevant

Irrelevant. A faulty Chinese mask probably provides more protection to the public than a cloth mask, and cloth masks provide some protection.
  • China Continues To Flood The World With Defective Medical Supplies
    • More than a dozen countries on four continents recently disclosed problems with Chinese-made coronavirus tests and personal protective equipment. The problems range from test kits tainted with the coronavirus to medical garments contaminated with insects. Defective Chinese face masks, purchased by Spain's Ministry of Health, were distributed to hospitals and nursing homes across the country, and more than 100 healthcare workers who used them tested positive for Covid-19....

Same as above.
  • Just touching base: So how ya feeling about those PPE thingies made in chYna these days?
  • Do face masks work (12 min)
    • Includes quotes from multiple sources, aka studies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8upEg-bEJ8 Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
Again, the guy is quoting mostly influenza studies.
Noted on his comments on breathing through the masks. I won't be using a well fitted N95 mask in the gym any longer. As to wearing a mask while you're infected and recirculating the virus through the body, you and I agree anyone who's got symptoms should stay home.
  • oeb11
  • 07-22-2020, 05:11 PM
Again, the guy is quoting mostly influenza studies.
Noted on his comments on breathing through the masks. I won't be using a well fitted N95 mask in the gym any longer. As to wearing a mask while you're infected and recirculating the virus through the body, you and I agree anyone who's got symptoms should stay home.


Tiny - Agreed. Masks are not a cureall for those who are infected and symptomatic. Those asymptomatic have no way of knowing if they are shedding virus.
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And wait for it DMN today Pfizer just signed a 1.95 BILLION contract for vaccines , follow the money
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Donkey gonna donkey
<< Embeds below



Honestly, thanks for posting this. A couple of your links stress the need to maintain social distance and wash your hands. I have been trying to handle masks hygienically and have been disposing of them more often, and will probably be more anal about that as a result of reading this. Finally, I did interval training at a gym while wearing an N95 mask. Because of the effect it had on me and also from reading your sources I won't be doing that again.

Going back to what I said, "As to coronavirus and masks, I've read several papers and scanned more. I challenge you to find a single one that shows masks don't work FOR CORONAVIRUSES. (I agree with what you've written about influenza.)" You haven't done this, linked to a paper that shows masks don't work to help prevent the spread of coronaviruses. You have done a good job of showing the evidence for not wearing masks for influenza, unless you're symptomatic, but I agree with you on that.

Comments in red.

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
Mind if I do a few instead? And let's keep our collective head on squarely that CORONAVIRUSES are analogous to influenza like viruses, as well as the common cold. Leastwise in composition, size, efficacy and transmission elements.

  • Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
    • May 2020, something of a super study, aka review of multiple studies.
    • Basic conclusion: not significant effects
    • ...Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning....
    • It is what it is, but personally, I wash my hands many times a day and try not to touch my face and I burn through hand sanitizer something fierce


    This is a metastudy for INFLUENZA, not for coronaviruses
  • << And let's keep our collective head on squarely that CORONAVIRUSES are analogous to influenza like viruses, as well as the common cold. Leastwise in composition, size, efficacy and transmission elements. Unless of course if you got something to share that displaces the physical composition and transmission method differences betwixt the two. However, it was a metastudy on the efficacy of masks in preventing the spread of an influenza like virus.

    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...E7a.mp4?tag=10
    • 10 second, non-scientific, experiment regarding aerosols, breath condensation and vapor, which you would see similar if it was 28 degrees outside without the use of the vape.
Is this relevant? Somebody sucks in some smoke and exhales through a mask.

<< Super relevant and I'm shocked you miss the point. First and foremost, it's ain't smoke, it is vapor. Hint: exhalation comes in 3 forms: Splash, Droplets and Aerosols. What is relevant is that 2 are heavier than air and subject to the affects of gravity, and to a lesser extent prevailing winds, but only to the extent that gravity will eventually prevail. Not to overlook that here size does matter.

  • Coronavirus is airborne say 239 scientists in a letter to WHO
    • I've been searching for this information for a while now. Viola!
    • This is what happened on May 7th - which as you may recall was 1 single, solitary day before Dr. Fauci started wearing a face mask in public on May 8th
    • Points to the real places to focus. Hint: environmental air handling

I've been posting here about aerosols since late March or early April. How else can you explain, for example, 51 people being infected at a choir practice. This shows it makes sense at times to wear masks indoors even when you can maintain 10 feet of distance from other people. There is evidence for masks preventing spread in aerosols, for example the passenger with Covid who was coughing and wearing a mask on a flight from Toronto to China who didn't infect anyone. Yeah, the virus is small enough to slip through the mask and you can inhale or exhale through the sides. Still intuitively they are going to effect the flow of air and you'd think the aerosols with a higher concentration of the virus wouldn't be circulating as far from people who are infected if they wear masks.
<< While you can gleen some of this from the below, 10 feet, 100 feet, the other side of the store do NOT matter. Aerosols are lighter than air. They stay suspended. They are too small for most mask filter abilities and would bypass (out-gas around the edges)

It's called physics baby - the aerosols are gonna go somewhere. Go back to the vape example above. Pro Tip: It is vapor, not smoke. Any regular, currently in use, mask you gonna buy ain't gonna do jack-shit and the shit is going to be recirculated because it's lighter that air, aka suspends in the air. In a nutshell, aerosols get recirculated through the HVAC. Guess what, they will g through a filter there as well, which is the equivalent of a grain of said crossing through a hog wire fence.

  • Science: Masks and Aerosols
    • I call it "The Physics of the Loogie"
    • Anyway, a simple, easy to read explanation of human aerosols, droplets and splash concepts and how it all relates to masks
This is very short on evidence, except for a reference to INFLUENZA paper. Agreed about aerosols. I disagree that masks can't help prevent spread via aerosols.
<< Physics is physics, you can deny it, but you just can't change it. Do the math. Masks may reduce amount of splash (what they were designed for) and even droplets (to some percentage), but not with any stretch of the imagination can they overcome the physics of aerosols in any way shape of form. It also speaks to the quackery you mentioned about said choir group; that falls into the volume and velocity part of that article. Normal breathing is X liters of air displaced, where singing, yelling, vigorous exercising is X x Y times the volume, up to the stated max capacity. That's the groovy thing about physics baby. It just is what it is.



The evidence if any would be in the 11 links and 9 videos. Don't have time to look at all this right now.

<< Something about donkeys, bodies of water, the path thereto, obligation ending - comes to mind


Another INFLUENZA paper
<< And let's keep our collective head on squarely that CORONAVIRUSES are analogous to influenza like viruses, as well as the common cold. Leastwise in composition, size, efficacy and transmission elements. Unless of course if you got something to share that displaces the physical composition and transmission method differences betwixt the two.

Contrary to the label, the masks do provide some protection to the wearer against Covid-19 and contaminants. The question is how much. This wording is to try to prevent lawsuits. The masks do provide more protection to the people around the wearer than to the wearer.
<< What is to worry about lawsuits if they work? Hope yo can recall the Splash, Droplet, Aerosol piece and combine with filter size and out gassing. Pro Tip: The actual virus size is something like 0.01 microns in size. Physics again...



  • A personal story that happened to me last week
    • A friend received some "Fashion Masks", i.e. cloth masks with funny things printed on the front for use while working in a retail environment, i.e. mandated to wear masks at work in Austin
    • The tag in the packaging contained the following
      • This product is not a medical device and is not suitable for medical use
      • This product does not treat, prevent or cure any health conditions
      • Wash the mask before first use and after each use
      • Made at Hi-Tech Zone Zhejiang, China
    • Google-ize: hi-tech zone zhejiang china uyghur
    • Yields: China didn’t spare the Uyghurs even in times of pandemic, pushed them to Covid frontlines
      • ...China has sent thousands of Uyghurs to its manufacturing powerhouses at Hunan, Jiangsu, Jiangzi and Zhejiang to keep its factories after the lockdown...
      • Kidnapped, captive slaves is who made the masks

Irrelevant
<< Something about donkeys, bodies of water, the path thereto, obligation ending - comes to mind. Again, physics - donkey gonna donkey. I could not find the video again of them making them, but I will say it was both sad and disgusting, not just the people, but the conditions these things were manufactured in. But you go donkey. Maybe you should buy a LeBron jersey.


Irrelevant
<< A billions dollars worth of substandard product, that are often contaminated, sometimes with the actual coronas virus, made by slaves, paid for with taxpayer $ is irrelevant to whom or what? Donkeys maybe.


Irrelevant. A faulty Chinese mask probably provides more protection to the public than a cloth mask, and cloth masks provide some protection.
<< Lemme guess; LeBron told you to say that. Eh Comrade? Or you get that from XiNN?

  • China Continues To Flood The World With Defective Medical Supplies
    • More than a dozen countries on four continents recently disclosed problems with Chinese-made coronavirus tests and personal protective equipment. The problems range from test kits tainted with the coronavirus to medical garments contaminated with insects. Defective Chinese face masks, purchased by Spain's Ministry of Health, were distributed to hospitals and nursing homes across the country, and more than 100 healthcare workers who used them tested positive for Covid-19....

Same as above.
<< What's not to love about a substandard product, that are often contaminated, sometimes with the actual coronas virus, made by slaves? Eeeee-Haaaah

  • Just touching base: So how ya feeling about those PPE thingies made in chYna these days?
  • Do face masks work (12 min)
    • Includes quotes from multiple sources, aka studies




Again, the guy is quoting mostly influenza studies.
Noted on his comments on breathing through the masks. I won't be using a well fitted N95 mask in the gym any longer. As to wearing a mask while you're infected and recirculating the virus through the body, you and I agree anyone who's got symptoms should stay home.

<< Welp, it must have been too close to the mark. TheGoogle already censored it.

Originally Posted by Tiny
  • Tiny
  • 07-23-2020, 12:49 PM
Donkey gonna donkey
<< Embeds below

<< Physics is physics, you can deny it, but you just can't change it. Do the math. Masks may reduce amount of splash (what they were designed for) and even droplets (to some percentage), but not with any stretch of the imagination can they overcome the physics of aerosols in any way shape of form. It also speaks to the quackery you mentioned about said choir group; that falls into the volume and velocity part of that article. Normal breathing is X liters of air displaced, where singing, yelling, vigorous exercising is X x Y times the volume, up to the stated max capacity. That's the groovy thing about physics baby. It just is what it is. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
And the physics show masks work against aerosols. See Table 1 for filter efficiencies for various materials:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

<< And let's keep our collective head on squarely that CORONAVIRUSES are analogous to influenza like viruses, as well as the common cold. Leastwise in composition, size, efficacy and transmission elements. Unless of course if you got something to share that displaces the physical composition and transmission method differences betwixt the two. However, it was a metastudy on the efficacy of masks in preventing the spread of an influenza like virus. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
You've been cherry picking influenza papers. There are some that show benefits of masks. The evidence is mixed. For coronaviruses it's a lot harder to cherry pick. There are two out there I'm aware of that support your case, and they're weak. And a bunch that support my side.

From https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...e-coronavirus:

We know that a person with COVID-19 may be contagious 48 to 72 hours before starting to experience symptoms. Emerging research suggests that people may actually be most likely to spread the virus to others during the 48 hours before they start to experience symptoms.

Also, as you know, there are a lot of asymptomatic people walking around with Covid, who could be like Typhoid Mary, spreading the disease without even knowing they have it.

For influenza, "People with flu are most contagious in the first three to four days after their illness begins. Most healthy adults may be able to infect others beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and up to 5 to 7 days after becoming sick." See https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm.

You have people with flu that are asymptomatic as well. But given that the number of people infected by Covid 19 is something like 10X the number of confirmed cases, it can't be as nearly high.

This why population studies, comparing countries that masked up earlier on to ones that didn't, show what they do. When you've got people walking around with the Covid that don't know it, masks, and common sense measures like appropriate social distancing, washing your hands, and staying away from bars and things like indoor sporting events, are the only defense you've got. Unless you want to shut down the economy and the schools.

<< Welp, it must have been too close to the mark. TheGoogle already censored it. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
Too bad, it did have useful information if you know enough to separate that out from the B.S. I don't know if you ever heard of the Anarchist Cookbook. It contained some poorly-written recipes for explosives and illegal drugs that could kill you. That is, you might blow yourself up following the writer's formula for nitroglycerin or kill yourself if you took the bathtub variety LSD you made following his directions. Still it's protected by the first amendment and, sincerely, it should be every American's right to buy it. Same with this video, people should be able to view it.
...while you're infected and recirculating the virus through the body, you and I agree anyone who's got symptoms should stay home.
.... Originally Posted by oeb11
Exactly! This applies not only the panademic but anytime! If you are sick stay home! Don't go to the gym. Don't go to Wally's. Don't go to school. Go to bed. They can deliver meds, pizza, etc to you.

And wait for it DMN today Pfizer just signed a 1.95 BILLION contract for vaccines , follow the money Originally Posted by rexdutchman
I'm not hopeful. From what I've heard, at best it's 50% effective. From what I've seen, following the money doesn't do you any good. The politicians, judges, and media got there before you. And the won't let you partake.
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Gee little fact all vaccines are 50/50 , last year the flu vac was 09% soooooo (CDC)
That's my issue they will not let me in the club!!!!!!!!! ( money for doing nothing politico club damn)
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And the physics show masks work against aerosols. See Table 1 for filter efficiencies for various materials:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

You've been cherry picking influenza papers. There are some that show benefits of masks. The evidence is mixed. For coronaviruses it's a lot harder to cherry pick. There are two out there I'm aware of that support your case, and they're weak. And a bunch that support my side.... Originally Posted by Tiny
You do know that article is not about COVID. Right? It is about "Respiratory viruses". Delete the word COVID from it and exactly NOTHING changes about the piece. Honestly, I would use that piece to bolster each of my previous assertions. In fact, many of the source articles it references are ones I use. Covid is one in a long line of a thousand respiratory viruses. The only thing that is slightly unique about Covid is how it attaches to the body's cells once inside. It's way past time you understand that the physics of transmission, i.e. movement through the physical world, is applied to all respiratory viruses and there is nothing unique to how Covid moves through the physical world. Write that on your basement wall and stare at that constantly.

The whole linchpin of the article is whether their "experimental model" holds water or not. But even if it does, the best they claim is a 60% reduction. Of course, minus a litany of disclaimers about fit, interference, particle size, etc., etc., etc. However, their use of science is oblique at best and deceptive most likely.

See where they attempt to measure from 100nm to 10um? 100nm is the approximate size of the COVID viron. 3,000 nm (3 um) is the smallest level of an N95 mash filtration. Clearly, not even they claim that a cloth mask comes anywhere near that range. Their use of words is deceiving as well. While they do use EXACTLY the same 3 groups (splash/spray, droplet and aerosol) I've used, they glibly shift in to conflating aerosol and droplet often even though they did clarify the difference early on. BUT, they use exactly the terms I've used explaining that both splash (the loogie) and droplets are beholding to gravity and velocity, including force to gauge how far they travel before becoming surface goo. Also realize it is a falling arc trajectory. Yet somehow, they make it sound like droplet and aerosols have similar properties and that droplets spew out from casual breathing, which is garbage. Though later in the article, they drift back on course and verify that aerosols drift long distance and go through out the environment, unlike droplets and splash. (lighter than air)

Droplets do come from coughing, sneezing and potentially yelling etc, think spittle. This begs the questions; if someone coughs in your face, is it appropriate to punch them in the face? If they do it knowing they have Covid, can you shoot them?

From https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/if-youve-been-exposed-to-the-coronavirus: Originally Posted by Tiny
Looks as though it was taken down. Might have been the equivalent of the Lancet study on HCQ? Dunno.Speaking of which, there is a new report (of many others, including the Doctors group which is now censored by big tech and big pharma). Worth a read from some quack PhD at Yale with some 300 peer reviewed papers stuffed in his belt: https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeati...pinion-1519535

We know that a person with COVID-19 may be contagious 48 to 72 hours before starting to experience symptoms. Emerging research suggests that people may actually be most likely to spread the virus to others during the 48 hours before they start to experience symptoms.

Also, as you know, there are a lot of asymptomatic people walking around with Covid, who could be like Typhoid Mary, spreading the disease without even knowing they have it. Originally Posted by Tiny
Actually, we do not. There are reports going either way, notwithstanding the dubious filtration effort discussed above, including droplets et al. Though we do know that pedophiles exist and often do not exhibit outwardly. Apparently a lot more of them than we realized even. Do we now assume everyone is a pedo and treat them as such accordingly? What about "providers" (hookers)? This mean it's OK to ask any female what their rate and menu of services is? You know, because they maybe got that provider gene in them.

...You have people with flu that are asymptomatic as well. But given that the number of people infected by Covid 19 is something like 10X the number of confirmed cases, it can't be as nearly high... Originally Posted by Tiny
We also know that 99.8% of the people that contract Covid survive with little more than Ibuprofen, fluids and rest. Maybe even less treatment than that because they don't even know they have a thing at all. So now you're saying wear a mask all the time because you might have something?!? Sheeze, give up the gloom and doom and the abject fear-porn already. Just move to your basement bunker and weld your doors shut. If you lived in chYna, they would weld them shut for you.

...I don't know if you ever heard of the Anarchist Cookbook. It contained some poorly-written recipes for explosives and illegal drugs that could kill you... Originally Posted by Tiny
Falls into the Play Stupid Games - Win Stupid Prizes category. You do know the government has banned it because apparently we do not have an idiot shortage.

I'll make the first step to apologize that I fell for the dumb tactic of labeling, like lefty loons routinely do. I had placed you in the "Dolt" bucket and had not reevaluated since then. I have done so and rolled through "Useful Idiot" and then down to "Willful Idiot" labels for you. But at the end of the day (while those may well be accurate) I decided that you are "Fear Based". Clearly you are afraid. I suspect you are older, though doubt you have the comorbidities that are deal breakers here. But Fear is what it is. My gut says it's more internal fear, than outward fear mongering to drive an agenda, though I don't rule that out entirely.

I've read ahead in the Book of Life and can tell you you this - Ain't a one of us making it out of life alive. We are all gonna die, so get over it. Live your best life now. Whether you got faith in your life or not is up to you. Personally, I believe and also believe in the power of the human body - when treated correctly. Doesn't it bother you that there is scant little discussion on how to fortify oneself with naturally occurring vitamins etc? We know that C, D and Zinc are crucial to fortification here, though K may work against us a bit, yet so many focus on the absurdity of masks which may offer at best 50% reduction (I see it as closer to 10% once you factor all relevant metrics) in transmission of large drops, while creating a cesspool of that junk right there on your face, aka the very vectors for infusion into the body. BTW: Does wearing half a condom protect you from something?

If you must dwell in fear at least do so cowered in your danged basement and leave the rest of us alone and stop treating everybody as guilty of something or having something. While there, focus on living a good life and stop projecting your own insecurities to others. Your fear is your own. This thing we call human life has been going on for thousands of years and our bodies have existed and adapted along with thousands of viruses, bacteria and all manner of Armageddon and yet, here we are. This is not to say one should be careless or cavalier. I read the science and I dang sure don't jump out of perfectly good working airplanes with a piece of cloth strapped to my back for fun.

While in your basement, may I suggest you ponder deeply on whether you believe this whole Covid is naturally occurring or not and what the dynamic differences might be between naturally occurring versus gain of function induced might be on the life cycle of the bug-a-boo. Might help de-stress your fear.