This is what concerns me: long term damage from the Vaxx.

We have been at heard immunity for awhile , but the science don't fit the narrative so Ignore Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Cite? Evidence? Proof?

Look at it this way , we have a higher chance of injury or death from driving around Dallas to see a provider Then the COVID
And LSM and Puddens ignoring other deaths you know border crossings , Chicago Min , NYNY

On the Herd Immunity question:

What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70%

At least 195,646,711 people or 60% of the population have received at least one dose.
Overall, 166,861,912 people or 51% of the population have been fully vaccinated.

30 Percent of People With COVID-19 Show No Symptoms

Total us cases of Covid: 36,268,057

Here's some math (yeah I know it's RAYCISS and maybe you can't follow but trust me, it's accurate)
36,268,057 * .30 = 10880417 + 166,861,912 = 177,742,329. Total population of the US = 330,000,000.

Therefore, 177,742,329/330,000,000 = 54% of the US population is supposedly immune to the Wuhan flu now. So another 5.3 Million people need to either be vaxxed or contract the Wuhan flu for Herd immunity to be reached.

Most of this is based on best guesstimates from the so-called scientific experts who are unable to determine if a person is male or female , so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Horseshit excuse. We have way more vax than we can use!

While I'm glad to be fully vaccinated for almost 4 months now, I can't rule out having a side effect.

Around the time of the first dose.. I did not track it, may have been before dose #1, but if so, not by much.. I got what I would describe as nerve pain, a dull lingering pain in both arms, from shoulder to wrist. Pain lasted 1-2 days, then gone. Came back after a few days, seemingly on particularly humid days.

Fortunately, the episodes seem to be reducing of late. May not be connected to the vax at all, but of course it is in my mind. Never had it before.

I haven't read about this as a known after-symptom. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

CT - Horseshit BS regarding worldwide distributioin of vaccine
There are many countries sadly short of vaccine - while we talk about third boosters.

shame on You for you own politically motivated selfishness!

Look at it this way , we have a higher chance of injury or death from driving around Dallas to see a provider Then the COVID
And LSM and Puddens ignoring other deaths you know border crossings , Chicago Min , NYNY Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Cite statistics proof evidence

Surely we aren’t supposed to just take your word for it.

Cite statistics proof evidence

Surely we aren’t supposed to just take your word for it. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

1b1 - your response would be denial and deflection - You go do some research to support your own posts for a REAL Change!
But - you won't -so drop teh supercilious air of superiority and authority nonsense .
The only 'word' source you would take - marx, lenin, Stalin, mao, maduro, and fiden.

oeb11
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In case you needed reminding that what you type is completely irrelevant to me. Except when you called Trumpys dumb as fuck. That’s probably the. Only thing you’ve ever written that was correct.

Nonsense - we all teh temptation is far too great.

Horseshit excuse. We have way more vax than we can use!

While I'm glad to be fully vaccinated for almost 4 months now, I can't rule out having a side effect.

Around the time of the first dose.. I did not track it, may have been before dose #1, but if so, not by much.. I got what I would describe as nerve pain, a dull lingering pain in both arms, from shoulder to wrist. Pain lasted 1-2 days, then gone. Came back after a few days, seemingly on particularly humid days.

Fortunately, the episodes seem to be reducing of late. May not be connected to the vax at all, but of course it is in my mind. Never had it before.

I haven't read about this as a known after-symptom. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Chung Tran, The Delta Variant is really changing what we thought we knew. Some of the latest press reports out of Israel would indicate that Oeb, by having a previous infection, may be better protected than people like you and me who have had two mRNA shots. If I were Oeb I’d get vaccinated, because the downside is so limited. But it might make just as much sense for you and me to get boosters.

Look at it this way , we have a higher chance of injury or death from driving around Dallas to see a provider Then the COVID
And LSM and Puddens ignoring other deaths you know border crossings , Chicago Min , NYNY Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Around 350,000 people died from COVID in 2020 and 39,000 from auto accidents.

Around 350,000 people died from COVID in 2020 and 39,000 from auto accidents. Originally Posted by Tiny

You have to look at it his way Tiny.

On the Herd Immunity question:

What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70%

At least 195,646,711 people or 60% of the population have received at least one dose.
Overall, 166,861,912 people or 51% of the population have been fully vaccinated.

30 Percent of People With COVID-19 Show No Symptoms

Total us cases of Covid: 36,268,057

Here's some math (yeah I know it's RAYCISS and maybe you can't follow but trust me, it's accurate)
36,268,057 * .30 = 10880417 + 166,861,912 = 177,742,329. Total population of the US = 330,000,000.

Therefore, 177,742,329/330,000,000 = 54% of the US population is supposedly immune to the Wuhan flu now. So another 5.3 Million people need to either be vaxxed or contract the Wuhan flu for Herd immunity to be reached.

Most of this is based on best guesstimates from the so-called scientific experts who are unable to determine if a person is male or female , so you have to take it with a grain of salt. Originally Posted by texassapper

That’s an interesting calculation. You’re taking the total number of people in the USA who tested positive for COVID, 36 million. Now a lot more people than that were infected by COVID, because many people who were infected were never tested. Then for some unknown reason you’re multiplying that by 30% and adding to the number of people who have been fully vaccinated. A lot of people who were vaccinated were also infected by COVID.

In July in the Mayo Clinic system, the Pfizer vaccine was only judged to be 42% effective in preventing infection and the Moderna vaccine 76% effective, although both are much more effective at preventing severe disease. You have new variants popping up. With time immunity wears off, both in the previously infected and the vaccinated. Large parts of the world haven’t been vaccinated, or have been vaccinated with crappy Chinese vaccines. We may never reach herd immunity.

But look at the upside. People like me who love masks can go on wearing them without appearing odd. And not only will we be protecting ourselves from the deadly COVID but flu and the common cold. No more sniffles! It’s an exciting time to be alive!

You have to look at it his way Tiny. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Well Eccieuser, the Dutchman did make a point, we should strive to be safe drivers. And not think about the next piece of ass we’re going to pay for when we should be concentrating on the traffic.

Please note that I edited out your photo of Che with a cigar. While we’re on the subject of healthy habits, the number one, most important thing the smokers among us can do is stop smoking. Yes Che did glorify smoking, but the only thing that kept him from a long, gruesome death from lung cancer was a CIA/Bolivian Army joint operation. Save that instead of dying young, leaving a good looking corpse, and becoming a hero of the Cuban revolution, he would have died a sad, middle aged man with ugly skin and teeth.

That’s an interesting calculation. You’re taking the total number of people in the USA who tested positive for COVID, 36 million. Now a lot more people than that were infected by COVID, because many people who were infected were never tested. Then for some unknown reason you’re multiplying that by 30% and adding to the number of people who have been fully vaccinated. A lot of people who were vaccinated were also infected by COVID. Originally Posted by Tiny

Yeah, the 30% are the people who had no symptoms. I realize some folks who had Covid have been vaxxed... it's really an unknowable number (although I suspect the CDC has a good estimate but won't publish it). Ex I was sick in Feb 2020 after returning from Vegas just before the shut down. After a week of it not getting better I went to a Doc in the box (before they had COVID tests) and they checked me for flu and it was negative. They said it was a sinus infection. Although my symptoms were more like the flu... it didn't burn in my sinus' like a typical sinus infection. So have I had COVID? I don't know, I haven't been tested for anti-bodies and don't care. I'm an ox in terms of health and pain tolerance. So I'm not concerned about it. So the .3 * 36 million is an attempt to estimate the number of folks who had COVID but don't know it for a certainty. Obviously it's an estimate.

In July in the Mayo Clinic system, the Pfizer vaccine was only judged to be 42% effective in preventing infection and the Moderna vaccine 76% effective, although both are much more effective at preventing severe disease. You have new variants popping up. With time immunity wears off, both in the previously infected and the vaccinated. Large parts of the world haven’t been vaccinated, or have been vaccinated with crappy Chinese vaccines. We may never reach herd immunity. Originally Posted by Tiny

True. But you're also missing the data point that the Delta variant may be more virulent it is LESS deadly hence the switch to talking about the DEAD to the CASES. Who cares if everyone on the planet is infected by flu? It will kill some but it's not as serious of a health risk as drowning or being in a car accident. People break legs too but we don't force everyone to use wheelchairs.

But look at the upside. People like me who love masks can go on wearing them without appearing odd. And not only will we be protecting ourselves from the deadly COVID but flu and the common cold. No more sniffles! It’s an exciting time to be alive! Originally Posted by Tiny

You go right ahead. I don't care if you double mask and wear a face shield. But the minute you start telling me I have to wear one, or get vaxxed, or anything else... you can FOAD. (in the nicest possible way)

The health services have squandered their credibility. They've let the ChiComs lie about the origin of the Wuhan Flu and the NIH involvement in it. Big Tech has colluded with the govt. to censor opposing views and so that has only added to the credibility issues. In a word, the lack of governmental transparency whether through incompetence or design means I won't be getting vaxxed. If I get COVID and die... well such is life. It's all a calculated risk. But that's what having freedom means. Living in a prison cell is pretty safe but it's not for me. And no amount of coercion is going to change that.

Yeah, the 30% are the people who had no symptoms. I realize some folks who had Covid have been vaxxed... it's really an unknowable number (although I suspect the CDC has a good estimate but won't publish it). Ex I was sick in Feb 2020 after returning from Vegas just before the shut down. After a week of it not getting better I went to a Doc in the box (before they had COVID tests) and they checked me for flu and it was negative. They said it was a sinus infection. Although my symptoms were more like the flu... it didn't burn in my sinus' like a typical sinus infection. So have I had COVID? I don't know, I haven't been tested for anti-bodies and don't care. I'm an ox in terms of health and pain tolerance. So I'm not concerned about it. So the .3 * 36 million is an attempt to estimate the number of folks who had COVID but don't know it for a certainty. Obviously it's an estimate.

True. But you're also missing the data point that the Delta variant may be more virulent it is LESS deadly hence the switch to talking about the DEAD to the CASES. Who cares if everyone on the planet is infected by flu? It will kill some but it's not as serious of a health risk as drowning or being in a car accident. People break legs too but we don't force everyone to use wheelchairs.

You go right ahead. I don't care if you double mask and wear a face shield. But the minute you start telling me I have to wear one, or get vaxxed, or anything else... you can FOAD. (in the nicest possible way)

The health services have squandered their credibility. They've let the ChiComs lie about the origin of the Wuhan Flu and the NIH involvement in it. Big Tech has colluded with the govt. to censor opposing views and so that has only added to the credibility issues. In a word, the lack of governmental transparency whether through incompetence or design means I won't be getting vaxxed. If I get COVID and die... well such is life. It's all a calculated risk. But that's what having freedom means. Living in a prison cell is pretty safe but it's not for me. And no amount of coercion is going to change that. Originally Posted by texassapper

The Delta variant is more virulent but there is no proof it is LESS deadly than the other strains.

On July 5 the 7-day average of deaths attributed to COVID was 214, Today that number is 651 and increasing day-to-day. This is far less than the peak back in January (3,263) but all reported data shows that the unvaccinated are making up almost all of the deaths.

Today when I go to the gym I am not required to wear a mask as I was earlier in the year. If they decide to go back to requiring a mask, I will do so. Each day more and more companies are requiring vaccinations in order to come to work. More and more school districts are requiring masks. Each company or school district is making decisions that they deem to be in the best interest of those that enter their doors. I find wearing a mask to be such a minor inconvenience in life.

The precautions taken in this country are at most equal to and many times less than those taken in other countries around the world.