Biden denies F'ing up the Afgan evacuation

Senior White House and State Department officials failed to grasp the Taliban’s steady advance on Afghanistan’s capital and resisted efforts by U.S. military leaders to prepare the evacuation of embassy personnel and Afghan allies weeks before Kabul’s fall, placing American troops ordered to carry out the withdrawal in greater danger, according to sworn testimony from multiple commanders involved in the operation.



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Senior White House and State Department officials failed to grasp the Taliban’s steady advance on Afghanistan’s capital and resisted efforts by U.S. military leaders to prepare the evacuation of embassy personnel and Afghan allies weeks before Kabul’s fall, placing American troops ordered to carry out the withdrawal in greater danger, according to sworn testimony from multiple commanders involved in the operation.


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Originally Posted by tman1847

Damn. Right up there with being called a "Nasty" person or having them make fun of any physical challenges.

Most everybody did.

The game plan from the get go was ruined.

As usual, the USA can do the short game but always fuck up the end game.

I haven't heard anyone that offered a better solution to all the trillions spent there and time and lives invested.

And Biden continues to lie saying NOBODY told him that what he was doing was not the best way to do the evacuation. All the top brass asked the President "not to do t this way" and Biden did it any way and now lies about it.


He also lied when he said he hadn't heard all the condemnation from our allies who were furious the way Biden handled Afghanistan.

What is new about a President lying or Fing it up?

Most everybody did.

The game plan from the get go was ruined.

As usual, the USA can do the short game but always fuck up the end game.

I haven't heard anyone that offered a better solution to all the trillions spent there and time and lives invested. Originally Posted by Precious_b

You haven't? You never heard anybody say that once we had routed the Taliban we should not engage in nation building? You never heard anybody ask "did we learn nothing from Vietnam"?


As to the evacuation, EVERYBODY had a better plan than Joe Biden but he wouldn't listen to his military experts and look what it got us.

Damn. Right up there with being called a "Nasty" person or having them make fun of any physical challenges. Originally Posted by TechPapi

NO Right up there with causing the needless death of 13 American Heroes, 7 innocent children and more than a 100 Afgans seriously injured or killed.


While leaving American citizens and Afgan allies still trapped in country


"No old news here. What the fuck does Clinton have to do with drumpf flushing documents? Deflect much?"


The topic was Biden F'ing up the Afgan withdrawal, Holt was a side comment

"Deflect much"

Senior White House and State Department officials failed to grasp the Taliban’s steady advance on Afghanistan’s capital and resisted efforts by U.S. military leaders to prepare the evacuation of embassy personnel and Afghan allies weeks before Kabul’s fall, placing American troops ordered to carry out the withdrawal in greater danger, according to sworn testimony from multiple commanders involved in the operation.



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Biden calls NBC’s Lester Holt a ‘wise guy’ for questioning him about inflation



Originally Posted by tman1847

Lester is a wise guy for asking Biden a question, but Biden isn't wise enough to answer the question, lol.

You haven't? You never heard anybody say that once we had routed the Taliban we should not engage in nation building? You never heard anybody ask "did we learn nothing from Vietnam"?


As to the evacuation, EVERYBODY had a better plan than Joe Biden but he wouldn't listen to his military experts and look what it got us. Originally Posted by HedonistForever

So, we pull out after the immediate objective? What was that banner on the aircraft carrier behind Bush? Whoosh! Power vacuum. Same problem again. As I said, we fuck up the end game. At least Vietnam, for some reason, have forgiven us. Idk why. That end game worked thanks to them forgetting everything we done to them.

So, we pull out after the immediate objective? What was that banner on the aircraft carrier behind Bush? Whoosh! Power vacuum. Same problem again. As I said, we fuck up the end game. At least Vietnam, for some reason, have forgiven us. Idk why. That end game worked thanks to them forgetting everything we done to them. Originally Posted by Precious_b

Ah, yeah! By definition, when you meet your objective, you're done. The objective in Iraq ( that's what the banner was about ) was to oust Saddam Hussein and search for WMD. We ousted Hussein and found no WMD, that should have been the end of the mission but Bush fucked up and decided to try and nation build. And if we are so damn worried about a "power vacuum" in Afghanistan, what would you call what we now have in Afghanistan?


Check out the movie "13 Strong", that's when we should have exited Afghanistan but we decided to make Afghanistan into a Jeffersonian democracy, doomed to fail.


Yes, George Bush gets full blame for Iraq and Afghanistan in my book and I have no problem saying it because I don't blindly support any man or party.

bds meter is high

HF, it's not "being worried about a power vacuum", it is about the very definition of Nature: Nature abhors a vacuum.

Pull something out, something comes in to displace it. It's going to happen. And we've let it happen alot.

And Biden continues to lie saying NOBODY told him that what he was doing was not the best way to do the evacuation. All the top brass asked the President "not to do t this way" and Biden did it any way and now lies about it.


He also lied when he said he hadn't heard all the condemnation from our allies who were furious the way Biden handled Afghanistan. Originally Posted by HedonistForever

So what did all the armchair generals say the best way to exit was? The exit was simulated 1000s of times with likely outcomes analyzed.

Overall 100% successful expedited withdrawal.

I'm sure ya'll trumptards will cry me a river about the 18 soldiers that died.... waaaa waaaa. I'm shocked more didn't die in that exit.... To hold it to just 18 from one unforeseen incident was pretty amazing.

The saddest thing is that trumptards celebrated when the soldiers died, it gave them reason to criticize the exit. Without that happening the exit would have been 110% successful.

So what did all the armchair generals say the best way to exit was? The exit was simulated 1000s of times with likely outcomes analyzed.

Overall 100% successful expedited withdrawal.

I'm sure ya'll trumptards will cry me a river about the 18 soldiers that died.... waaaa waaaa. I'm shocked more didn't die in that exit.... To hold it to just 18 from one unforeseen incident was pretty amazing. Originally Posted by CaptainTruth

if you say so

https://nypost.com/2022/02/07/how-ob...stan-disaster/


Revealed: How Obama and Biden laid groundwork for Afghanistan disaster

By Paul Sperry

February 7, 2022 6:13pm Updated



The Obama administration's 2014 swap of five Taliban prisoners for deserter Bowe Bergdahl helped lead to the current crisis in Afghanistan. AFP/Getty Images

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As his hasty Afghanistan exit looms larger as a strategic blunder, President Biden is still blaming his predecessor for the debacle, arguing the former President Trump tied his hands.
It’s Trump’s fault, the administration insists, that Afghanistan has collapsed into a pre-9/11 narco-terrorist state run by medieval mullahs brutalizing women all over again.
“The last president signed an agreement to get out,” Biden reminded reporters during last month’s marathon White House press conference.
But the truth is, it was the other way around.
Trump essentially inherited what Biden started nine years earlier as vice president, according to White House e-mails and U.S. officials who investigated his old office’s secret dealings with the Taliban.
Biden had advocated withdrawing from Afghanistan when he served as President Obama’s vice president. The White House shared a common goal with the Taliban in ending the war, concerned as it was that the long troop deployment looked like the “occupation” of a Muslim nation. And Biden’s then-national security adviser — Antony “Tony” Blinken — spearheaded an effort to achieve that goal, which included as its centerpiece a once-covert plan to spring from the Guantanamo Bay terrorist prison basically the entire old leadership of the Taliban captured by U.S. forces after the 9/11 attacks.
The Biden administration has attempted to blame former President Donald Trump for the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.Photo by Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images “Tony Blinken got the ball rolling long before Trump, undercutting the notion that Biden was boxed in by Trump,” said Christopher Bright, who led a House Armed Services Committee investigation of the Obama administration’s jailbreak of the Taliban honchos.
The shocking 2014 paroling of the so-called Taliban Five, which was sold as a patriotic move to free an alleged Afghan “P.O.W.” — US Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — paved the way for the creation of a shadow Taliban government in Qatar.
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That Taliban government in exile was used to formally negotiate the ill-advised U.S. withdrawal agreement.
“The White House just wanted the Taliban Five out to start that process,” Bright said. “That’s now more apparent in hindsight.”
All five former Gitmo inmates ended up sitting across the negotiating table with Biden’s envoys to hammer out details of the troop withdrawal, and all five are now in key posts running the government in Afghanistan, which they’ve renamed the “Islamic Emirate.”
Without their release — orchestrated by Blinken, who is now Secretary of State under Biden — there likely would be no troop pullout or Taliban takeover, and 13 U.S. service members slaughtered while guarding a mass evacuation at the Afghan airport would still be alive today.
As head of the Congressional investigation, Bright obtained administration e-mails that outlined Obama and Biden’s moves.
In 2011, Obama promised to start withdrawing all American forces from Afghanistan. Such a drawdown required engaging with the Taliban in peace talks, Bright noted, and releasing several of their senior leaders would advance the administration’s negotiating position.
Khairulla Said Wali Khairkhwa, one of the “Taliban Five” released by the Obama administration, is now Afghan minister of information and culture.US Dept of Defense
Absul Haq Wasiq is now the intelligence chief of Afghanistan.US Dept of Defense
Mohammad Fazl Mazloom is the Afghan deputy defense minister and a member of the Afghan negotiating team. US Dept of Defense

The next year, Biden’s office floated to the Defense Department and other agencies the idea of trading five Taliban commanders jailed at Gitmo for Bergdahl, the US soldier held by the Taliban. But then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta balked.
“I opposed the swap,” Panetta wrote in his memoir. “I did not believe it was fair to trade five for one.”
But Panetta was soon replaced by Chuck Hagel, who was open to the idea.
Within months of Hagel taking over the Pentagon in February 2013, the swap scheme was resurrected. In June 2013, the exiled Taliban government opened a “political office” in Doha, Qatar, and the Obama administration formed “the interagency Taliban reconciliation group” which made it clear it was interested in releasing the Taliban commanders.
Mullah Norulla Noori is minister of borders and tribal affairs.US Dept of Defense
Mohammad Nabi Omari is the governor of Khost Province.US Dept of Defense

In December 2013, Hagel personally traveled to Doha to begin the process of drafting a memorandum of understanding, or MOU, with Taliban representatives for the Taliban Five.
“Blinken was actively involved in overturning secretary of defense and other objections to the [Gitmo] transfer,” Bright said, “instituting an irregular review and security process, and proceeding nonetheless.”
As negotiations progressed, Blinken and other administration officials used coded language in emails to discuss the secret deal, using “third party” as a euphemism for the Taliban, for example.
“We achieved our immediate objectives: signaling to the third party our interest in pursuing this matter,” Hagel’s top military attorney Stephen Preston briefed Blinken and other officials in a December 2013 e-mail about their trip to Qatar.
By then, Blinken had been promoted to deputy national security advisor under Susan Rice, where he rode herd on finalizing the MOU to secure the still-secret deal. (Jake Sullivan replaced Blinken as then-veep Biden’s security adviser.)
Secretary of State Antony Blinken reportedly spearheaded the effort to release the “Taliban Five” while he was Obama’s deputy national security advisor.Susan Walsh/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo Career military officers, miffed at freeing Taliban commanders the Pentagon classified as too dangerous to release, leaked the scheme to the media.
Furious over the breach, Blinken lashed out in a February 2014 email to Pentagon brass: “I know you share my dismay, and frankly, disgust, at the leak in today’s Washington Post about our Bergdahl efforts.”
But the leaks failed to derail the final deal he negotiated with the Taliban through Qatari intermediaries. A few months later, Blinken authorized Preston to execute the final agreement. “Tony has okayed the signing of the MOU,” according to a May 2014 e-mail circulated by a National Security Council staffer.
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That same month, Obama announced he planned to end US troop presence in Afghanistan by 2016.
To get everybody on board the swap, Blinken had chaired a number of interagency “deputies meetings” in the months leading up to the June 2014 release of the five Taliban fiends. A month prior to the release, he and other officials actually entertained a last-minute Taliban demand to free a sixth Taliban detainee before settling on the original five. Hagel signed their release order.
News of their release sparked a firestorm of outrage. Congress complained it was not consulted about efforts to arrange the swap as required by law.
Others pointed out the Taliban Five were the only “forever prisoners” released without being cleared by the Gitmo parole board, and some of them had been linked by US intelligence to Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda terrorists.
Obama justified their release as a worthy exchange for a war hero. After the Taliban returned Bergdahl, Obama held a Rose Garden ceremony with his parents celebrating their son as a “POW,” a designation the Pentagon never gave him.
“We’re committed to winding down the war in Afghanistan,” Obama said, hinting at the real reason for the deal.
Bergdahl eventually pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy in 2017.AP Photo/Ted Richardson, File It took years to find out the truth about Bergdahl, who was captured after deserting his post in Afghanistan. He was no hero. He ultimately was court-martialed and pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. In 2017, he was sentenced to a dishonorable discharge.
But Obama, Biden and Blinken, along with Rice and Sullivan — who are now serving Biden as top advisers in the White House — got what they wanted out of the ruse: a major token of good will to start withdrawal negotiations with the Taliban.
At the time, Obama assured a wary public that the dangerous enemy combatants would be transferred to Qatar and kept from causing any trouble in Afghanistan. In fact, they were left free to eventually mastermind last August’s sacking of Kabul. And they did so in luxury. Within months of arriving in Qatar, the Taliban leaders were housed in small palaces inside an exclusive neighborhood in suburban Doha and provided fancy new SUVs to drive.
The Obama-Biden administration pressed ahead with their plan in spite of several red flags. Soon after gaining their freedom, some of the notorious Taliban Five pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan and made contacts with active Taliban militants there. But the administration turned a blind eye to the disturbing intelligence reports, and it wasn’t long before the freed detainees used Qatar as a base to form a regime in exile.
Khairkhwa, a member of the Taliban negotiating team, and the Taliban delegation arrive for final Afghan peace talks in Doha, Qatar, Aug. 12, 2021, where they met face-to-face with Biden envoy Khalilzad. Photo by KARIM JAAFAR/AFP via Getty Images Fast-forward to 2021. Last year, the Taliban Five sat across the negotiating table from Biden’s envoy to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, where they participated as key members of the official Taliban delegation who negotiated the final terms of the US withdrawal. The retreat cleared a path for the Taliban to retake power after 20 years.
Khairullah Khairkhwa and other former Taliban prisoners assured Khalilzad that the Taliban would not launch a military offensive if Biden committed to removing all remaining American troops. In turn, Khalilzad convinced Biden and Blinken that the Taliban would share power with the US-backed government in Kabul.
“I do not believe the government is going to collapse and the Taliban is going to take over,” Khalilzad affirmed, while whitewashing the Taliban as “changed.”
But all the while, Taliban militants were taking large chunks of Afghan territory around the capital Kabul, encircling the US-backed regime there, waiting to take over the moment the last US troops left. Taliban negotiators made it clear they weren’t interesting in any power-sharing and sought to reestablish strict Islamic rule without outside meddling.
US special envoy for Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad at the Doha, Qatar meeting with Taliban officials.Photo by KARIM JAAFAR/AFP via Getty Images As Khairkhwa warned in an al-Jazeera interview conducted during one of Biden’s “peace” summits: “I started jihad [holy war] to remove foreign forces from my country and establish an Islamic government, and jihad will continue until we reach that goal through a political agreement.”
He added that Taliban attacks on Afghan army posts were not off-limits, that they never agreed to a ceasefire with the US-backed Ashraf Ghani administration, and that “the intelligence of Kabul know that they cannot stay in Afghanistan after the withdrawal of the foreign forces.”
Meanwhile, Blinken pushed Ghani to capitulate to the Taliban on several issues and even possibly step aside, according to Congressional Research Service analyst Clayton Thomas.
Little wonder the Taliban seized control of Kabul in mid-August and stormed the presidential palace without firing a single shot. Hoping to escape their clutches, thousands of panicked Afghans and foreigners fled to the airport, resulting in a humanitarian crisis lasting weeks.
Former Gitmo inmate Khairkhwa (third from left) with other Taliban leaders negotiating with Biden diplomats last March. All five Taliban commanders released from Gitmo sat on the Taliban negotiating team. “It never occurred to me that one day there would be negotiations with them (American officials), and I would be sitting there with them on one side and us on the other,” Mullah Khairkhwa said.Photo by ALEXANDER ZEMLIANICHENKO/POOL/AFP via Getty Images It’s plain that Biden and his diplomats got played by the Islamist thugs they assumed were rehabilitated. They thought they were dealing with a more pragmatic Taliban.
They should have known better: During the secret 2014 talks over their release from Gitmo, Taliban representatives used in their messages the abbreviation “IE” — Islamic Emirate — for the name of their shadow Afghan government. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is what the Taliban called the country when they ruled it from 1996 until US forces toppled their regime in 2001.
That old Islamic Emirate flag now flies again over Afghanistan.
President Trump wanted out of Afghanistan just as badly as Obama and Biden did, but he was handicapped by the fact that the Taliban leadership was already free and regrouping — they were bargaining from a position of strength, and deception.
The same five Taliban leaders captured by US troops and sent to Gitmo to rot in jail ended up getting to negotiate the removal of those very troops.
Obama, Biden and Blinken escorted the 9/11 terrorist-harboring creeps from prison cells to palace suites.
Paul Sperry is an investigative journalist and author of several books on the War on Terror including bestseller “Infiltration.”

All that bullshit you posted is worthless history, it was a different time, different stage of war. Trump surrendered to the Taliban and released prisoners.

BTW what happened to the Afghans that beat the Russians of all countries?

Today, 100% successful on time withdrawal from Afghanistan. War is over. Most withdrawals happen over a long period of time with no hard date to end. To miss that date would mean escalation of war into the next years. How many more soldiers would die and be wounded then? Biden would get blamed for all that.... So Biden said fuck it we are done, fuck Afghanistan we are out, toodles.