Mind boggling that everyone seems to be worth $800 plus these days

Sure, they set the prices they want to get. Then if they get too few clients they lower them. Markets at work. Originally Posted by TinMan

This is why the tricks run the show! The delusional believe otherwise, they know who feeds them $

This is why the tricks run the show! The delusional believe otherwise, they know who feeds them $ Originally Posted by BLM69

Unfortunately you've failed to account for the simp factor. Too many dudes under 35 were raised with no male role model in the home and think with emotion rather than reason.

Has he? They are still tricks.

Most hookers have sky high rates because of what they see on social media. They see a girl in Manhattan getting $800 an hour so therefore she feels she deserves the same. Hooker math in action. Concepts like cost of living adjustments don’t even get thought of by most civilians, let alone escorts. All they know is some girl makes more money than she does so therefore she needs to make the same. Girls were doing more than just fine with $150-250 rates.

Most hookers have sky high rates because of what they see on social media. They see a girl in Manhattan getting $800 an hour so therefore she feels she deserves the same. Hooker math in action. Concepts like cost of living adjustments don’t even get thought of by most civilians, let alone escorts. All they know is some girl makes more money than she does so therefore she needs to make the same. Girls were doing more than just fine with $150-250 rates. Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy88

Then it’s up to you not to fall for it. If the market determines she isn’t worth it, then she will go away or lower her rates. If she gets enough business to make it worth her while to continue to insist on that rate, than apparently enough guys think she’s worth it.

Y’all may think they are “simps”, but it is their money to spend however they choose.

The providers who get enough business to keep their rates high, do so because the guys paying it ARE simps. Ask yourself, how many smart businessmen who make or have lots of money, buy things that are 3 times or more the price it should be just because it is their money to spend? The correct answer is ZERO. They are they eventually going to be broke or living paycheck to paycheck, contacting their mortgage company saying they are going to be late this month on the payment because they had to see a few hookers this last month whose donations were over $800/hr!

I know it is hard to believe, but guys have bills to pay as well and the only guys that seem to defend higher donation prices for providers are the guys that may hobby a few times a year at most. And, if you factor in the service factor, which has steadily gone downhill over the last couple of decades (a few providers have even admitted that other providers tell them that they should raise their donations and lower their service skills for the "simp" hobbyists), the higher donation prices are even worse when it comes to VALUE for the money, I do not care how much money anyone has.

Call them whatever you want, you aren’t in these guys’ heads to know what is causing them to make their decision. We see lots of reviews and comments from guys who don’t care if a woman is offering them IOP or GFE. It doesn’t matter to them.

Some of those guys have the money to blow on an $800 non-GFE experience. You want to characterize them as “simps” because to you it is unimaginable that anyone would prefer that over a GFE experience.

I don’t prefer it, and won’t pay $800 for that kind of session. I also won’t pay to get pegged, to shit on a girl (or vice-versa), or any number of other painful, humiliating (for either party) experiences that other people seem to enjoy. Somehow thinking that “simps” are the reason for women getting paid more than we want for services that don’t meet our requirements doesn’t change the fact that if women are consistently charging those prices than that is what the market will bear.

A lot of these guys are probably just too busy to research and find value. Again, that is market inefficiency exacerbated by the hobby being illegal. Those of us active on SHMBs are in the small minority of men who take the time to find value. It’s harder to find because the market has changed, and for me that means redefining value (paying a little more for GFE, more FBSM L1, etc.). I’m not going to bitch about it or blame “the simps”.

I am one of those guys that have the money to pay if I so choose to do so, but I choose not to. What guys find value may differ, but it is certainly not the difference in as wide of range as providers charge for the same amount of time (let's not forget the old upsell of some activities as well).

If the market were the market you say it is, then EVERY provider would be at a certain donation level, give or take $50, but it is not because some providers want regular repeat clients instead of a few times a year and not everyone in the buying market is settling on buying it, they are going other routes as can clearly be seen on multiple threads in not only the Dallas forums, but other city forums as well.

The service level quality is also different depending on who you ask as well. If you like to pay multiple hundreds of dollars for a warm body yet mentally checked out dead fish (but at least you do not have JO by yourself), then go for it. You are not paying a little more for better service, in fact, you are paying more and getting less most of the time.

Also, no one is bitching about it, but I guess that if you do not agree with someone, they must be the ones bitching. It is called a conversation with different opinions on the same subject matter, you know, what this particular forum is suppose to be about. Although, it is rare that a provider will come on this thread to give her opinion why she should charge more on her donation because they cannot do it with a straight face, and not just $20-50, but many times, a couple hundred more.

Currently, the only one defending them is you with your redefining value BS, yet you won't pay the engorged prices either! Value is something that does not change, especially in this field.

WEC, you either didn’t read my entire post, did not understand it, or are pretending not to understand it for the sake of argument.

I really don’t care. At this point I would just be repeating what I’ve already said to correct your misinterpretation, and I’m just not invested enough in the topic to waste any more time on it.

uhhh ohhh, BoltFan, we need a box of bandaids cause someone is butthurt. I have faith in you Honey

What it all comes down to is, All tricks value pussy differently, this is why the prices are all over the place, some guys have no other options, no other leads and they're here to capitalize on that, some guys are too nice thinking they are making a "love connection"

These are the guys that get taken advantage of, if there was standard rules that All guys follow, rates would be $150-$200hr or go flip them burgers for $15hr, then those rates sound real appealing and would be standard. Oh and if you're pass your prime, you don't wanna know what I would pay 😂

What it all comes down to is, All tricks value pussy differently, this is why the prices are all over the place, some guys have no other options, no other leads and they're here to capitalize on that, some guys are too nice thinking they are making a "love connection"

These are the guys that get taken advantage of, if there was standard rules that All guys follow, rates would be $150-$200hr or go flip them burgers for $15hr, then those rates sound real appealing and would be standard. Oh and if you're pass your prime, you don't wanna know what I would pay 😂 Originally Posted by BLM69

While the term value is still the same, yes, it is defined differently depending upon who you ask, so we all have our opinions on what value is, we don't have to define it differently just because the providers want to raise their rates. That is why the market rate for pussy is all over the map for the same amount of time.

It is true that a tiny percentage of hobbyists are members of whore boards, so doing a boycott from those members are not even going to put a dent into the rising donation rates of providers. But, it does make for good conversation, the problem is no provider is going to share her opinion as far as why she needs to charge 2x or more the amount that another provider does. Those ladies are just fine with having other guys argue their case for them.

Luckily for me, I have my go-to ladies and quite frankly, I have a few more that I can see on what I feel would be a regular basis for me to see them. And obviously, they do not charge the retail rate for their donations. As I said, most providers are in the business too retain regular clientele not just one and done because their rates are so high and their service is so low.

if there was standard rules that All guys follow, rates would be $150-$200hr or ......... Originally Posted by BLM69

In yesterday's daily line up on OH2 there were a lot of ladies in that price range for the 1/2 Hr not a full Hr. I don't think you will ever see $200 for one hour in a large city like Dallas ever again. I agree with the OP there are definitely more adds for the $500 - 800 range these days. Ladies that have the "Miss America" look can get that. Guys that have good paying jobs can pay it.

In yesterday's daily line up on OH2 there were a lot of ladies in that price range for the 1/2 Hr not a full Hr. I don't think you will ever see $200 for one hour in a large city like Dallas ever again. I agree with the OP there are definitely more adds for the $500 - 800 range these days. Ladies that have the "Miss America" look can get that. Guys that have good paying jobs can pay it. Originally Posted by adav8s28

Let the ones wanting $500-$800 starve and support the $150-$200

The "what the market will bear" argument is just... Bullshit. In the hobby, the market sustains pay pigs who give 1k to women who yell "give me more!" some ladies get that 1k..but it's like 5..in the country, yet thousands of women are on twitter looking for pay pigs. If the market is 800 to 1k,then every one would be doing that, including sugar babies. Some guys hobby once a year and want to blow steam with a 1k experience. Some guys blow steam off by dropping 1k at a strip club or by getting a 2k section at a club. The blow off steam guys don't determine the market. Rent being due determines the market and there's a whole world of people who take less to get bills paid or who take less because they enjoy your company and want a nice dinner. It doesn't cost 800 per hour to hook up in this town.