Mind boggling that everyone seems to be worth $800 plus these days

I'll bite.


In my book-- your 4 A's are pretty accurate.



Attractive-- This one is possibly the most subjective-- because everyone has different tastes. Talking about myself personally-- I'm in the camp of girls who are "cute". Meaning-- I'm reasonably attractive, but I'm not the sort who turns a lot of heads in public. Which honestly-- is fine by me. I do what I can to put forth effort-- I'm never going to open the door in sweats with no makeup or messy hair. Honestly-- a 5 can turn into a 7 or 8 real quick with just a little effort.


Affectionate-- This is one that will vary wildly. Surprisingly, some gents do NOT want an affectionate provider. I have turned down gents in the past because they've said they don't like to kiss and well.. that's a must for me personally.



Attentive-- This should be a baseline-- PUT DOWN THE FUCKING PHONE. Even those of you who like to say $$ is for time only-- well cool, he's paying for an hour of your time. Its his hour-- put down the phone.



Appreciative-- And this right here-- this is where I've built my business. I don't demand "extras" from my gents. Tips and gifts are always sweet-- but their presence is my present. The best compliment a gent can give is coming back over and over again.



At the end of the day-- most gents in the hobby just want a little carved out time where they get to be spoiled an appreciated.



Having said all this-- you can get all of these things from a range of 300-800 or more. And unfortunately, you could also pay 300-800 or more and get none of them.



The reality is-- some gents will never play over a certain price point. Some gents will never play under a certain price point. But most are somewhere in the middle. They try to stay within a range, but will occasionally splurge if all the planets seem to align.

total cop out. Why even reply if its "anybody's guess"? No one asked to define all things for all men. Do you want another 8 pages of "duuurrr...just don't pay the rates"?
The point was, how does a customer adjust their expectations when the cost exceeds perceived value? Originally Posted by nobody_home

It's not a cop out. What you would spend $600 for I'd probably balk at just on general principle.

If I can't find someone in the range I'm willing to pay for the experience offered I simply look somewhere else. If that doesn't work out, then it doesn't - go on with your day. It's just a hobby man. Some of you treat this like it's your fucking god given right to get a provider you want, to do all the things you want, at only the minimum price you're willing to pay. This is a luxury bro. Grow the fuck up. Go jerk off and maybe you'll start thinking straight again. If you can't change your expectations based on this current snapshot of the market and prices - that's a you problem.

Do some providers make deals with some clients? Sure they do, especially if you aren't an entitled asshat and treat them respectfully and with dignity. Is every Tom, Dick and Harry entitled to the same? Fuck no!

There's too many people on both sides of this thing trying to fuck people over and get something out of them they didn't want to do. If that's you, you're in this hobby for the wrong fucking reason.

The reality is-- some gents will never play over a certain price point. Some gents will never play under a certain price point. But most are somewhere in the middle. They try to stay within a range, but will occasionally splurge if all the planets seem to align. Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

100% right.

And that's why there's so much conflict on this topic. If you never go over 450, you've had some awesome experiences at that price point and don't feel like dropping 1k would make life better (unless there's a unicorn who rolls into town). Some guys call the 450 guy a simp because they are at 250. Some guys wouldn't go under 150 because they're worried about the volume for a 150 lady. Some ladies have an agenda and claim the market is actually 900. Some guys have an agenda and claim 50 and a handshake is the market. And the fake economists like to spit out the word market 50 times. It's not black and white. None of it is.

What set those girls apart was they provided an experience I still can't get out of my head. Things they did or said that changed how I feel about myself permanently. Originally Posted by nobody_home

I started to respond to your “what would cause you to pay $600” question several times, then stopped myself because I found that what I’m willing to pay more for wouldn’t get me to the $600 threshold. I would pay and have paid $50 and maybe even $100 more than the baseline for certain attributes, but so far haven’t been tempted to pay more than that.

But then I went back and re-read the section of your subsequent post I quoted above. I’ve had similar experiences, but I lucked into them without paying more for them. I was a younger guy with more time and energy (but less money), and was able to find those moments that turned out to be very special.

I don’t go chasing those fireworks anymore, lack of time to relax and enjoy the moment being the primary reason (followed by being too old to drink and fuck like I used to), but if I ever decide I want to try again I would be willing to spend $600 to do so.

100% right.

And that's why there's so much conflict on this topic. If you never go over 450, you've had some awesome experiences at that price point and don't feel like dropping 1k would make life better (unless there's a unicorn who rolls into town). Some guys call the 450 guy a simp because they are at 250. Some guys wouldn't go under 150 because they're worried about the volume for a 150 lady. Some ladies have an agenda and claim the market is actually 900. Some guys have an agenda and claim 50 and a handshake is the market. And the fake economists like to spit out the word market 50 times. It's not black and white. None of it is. Originally Posted by Anthonylewis50

Here is a question for everyone, how much better is the service going to be if you pay a donation 250 as opposed to 400 or more? My answer is very little to not at all. However, these days, the service is worse by paying more money.

Do I care about the volume she takes in a day? Well, if she takes good care of me while I am with her, who gives a shit?

Do I care about the volume she takes in a day? Well, if she takes good care of me while I am with her, who gives a shit? Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Eh-- you'd be surprised by how many care. Back in my early days when I was SUPER inexpensive-- it didn't matter how often I stated the fact that I'd only see 2 people a day-- it was assumed that I "must" see many more at my price point.



The perceptions that some form about a provider in regards to her price point-- both high and low-- are just wild.

Here is a question for everyone, how much better is the service going to be if you pay a donation 250 as opposed to 400 or more? My answer is very little to not at all. However, these days, the service is worse by paying more money.

Do I care about the volume she takes in a day? Well, if she takes good care of me while I am with her, who gives a shit? Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

To your first question... Likely not much difference. If I hook up with a sugar baby after buying a steak or go see LBA, the experience is about the same, if you pick the right person. Someone at 400 or 800 isn't guaranteed to have a better attitude or be nice.

Second, you don't care about volume. That's you. Some guys do care about that. There's no guarantee that a 400 or 800 doesn't have the same volume as a 100 lady, but thats the perception sometimes. It's illogical but true.

To your first question... Likely not much difference. If I hook up with a sugar baby after buying a steak or go see LBA, the experience is about the same, if you pick the right person. Someone at 400 or 800 isn't guaranteed to have a better attitude or be nice.

Second, you don't care about volume. That's you. Some guys do care about that. There's no guarantee that a 400 or 800 doesn't have the same volume as a 100 lady, but thats the perception sometimes. It's illogical but true. Originally Posted by Anthonylewis50

Some guys care about volume? I guess they want to be the only one or maybe perhaps in a few months they can put a ring on that finger or something? I doubt very seriously that a provider is going to tell you how many johns they see per day on average so you will have no idea anyway. That is why I said that as long as she takes care of me (service, hygiene, ect.) then I do not care and that is MY opinion. I did not say no one else would care either. If service falls off because she is tired since has seen 6 dudes before me that day (no excuses, I pay 100% of her donation so I need to get 100% of her service) then I do not see her again. And that could be why there are so many providers who are doing you a favor by taking your money and mentally checked out dead fish fucks. But then again, the ones that do not see a volume of guys simply do not care about service because they are coddled by other providers and WKs who cheer them on that it is alright to charge more and give bad service to boot.

Some guys care about volume? I guess they want to be the only one or maybe perhaps in a few months they can put a ring on that finger or something? I doubt very seriously that a provider is going to tell you how many johns they see per day on average so you will have no idea anyway. That is why I said that as long as she takes care of me (service, hygiene, ect.) then I do not care and that is MY opinion. . Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Honestly-- that's a very reasonable mindset when it comes to volume. It really shouldn't matter as long as you're taken care of.


The ONLY argument that has ever been presented to me that made any logical sense in regards to volume concerns was the potential for getting the attentions of LE if one is not somewhat low key in their dealings.

Last year 2024 I had to either accept the price to get what I wanted or move on. In Vegas I found 12 girls early 20's on P411 all asking 600 for the hour. Fortunately I was on a red hot streak at the tables and sport book so it worked out.

The Vegas regular who I spent enough cash on throughout the year to buy a Corvette decided to go back home in December and as of February said it was permanent.

Then I checked P411 in Vegas during March for girls early 20's and only FOUR were found and they were priced at 800 an hour. YIKES ......looks like i'll be hobbying in DFW for 2025 as the 30 somethings here are no different than the 30 somethings in Vegas.

2024 in Vegas was one helluva year i'll never forget. Sometime you have to know the difference between knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. Providers in early 20's are Unicorns everywhere and they know it.

I'm not saying I care about volume. I don't have any exclusive sugar babies. But some guys out there care about that. That's why you have a whole crew of motherfuckers dumping girls over body counts. That's why some guys back up the brinks truck for an exclusive sugar baby. I don't.
Most don't. Some guys think paying more means fewer people can access that lady. It's not my logic.. But some guys do that. Some guys care about tattoos. Waldt. Some people go to the public beach. Others pay a ton for their own private beach. The fish swim in the same water, but it makes some people feel better to feel exclusive. I think there are more ladies trying to capture that guy (together with sbs, gold diggers, and so on) than their are guys to fill the demand, but that person exists. I just don't think I have to put in that much work to hook up and I don't care if a lady sees other people.

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The ONLY argument that has ever been presented to me that made any logical sense in regards to volume concerns was the potential for getting the attentions of LE if one is not somewhat low key in their dealings. Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

That may be, but since we are talking hypothetically, any provider who has been watched by LE, no matter what the volume of clients is, can get busted.

In this thread context so I do not get points, you may be on to something tho. If providers charge more, it definitely does mean less volume.

I'm not saying I care about volume. I don't have any exclusive sugar babies. But some guys out there care about that. That's why you have a whole crew of motherfuckers dumping girls over body counts. That's why some guys back up the brinks truck for an exclusive sugar baby. I don't.
Most don't. Some guys think paying more means fewer people can access that lady. It's not my logic.. But some guys do that. Some guys care about tattoos. Waldt. Some people go to the public beach. Others pay a ton for their own private beach. The fish swim in the same water, but it makes some people feel better to feel exclusive. I think there are more ladies trying to capture that guy (together with sbs, gold diggers, and so on) than their are guys to fill the demand, but that person exists. I just don't think I have to put in that much work to hook up and I don't care if a lady sees other people. Originally Posted by Anthonylewis50

Did you not read what I wrote? I am sure that there are guys who care about volume per day that provider does. What I said is I do not care about it (neither do you apparently, yet instead of just agreeing, you have argue for those who do care) as long as she takes care of me. But that is not the subject of this thread.

You are always going to have guys questioning and complaining about prices, and it is not just about providers. But that is okay, that is what a discussion board is for. Until there is a set universal donation price for hookers in the hobby world, there will continue to be these opinions.

All I have said is, getting the same service, but for 2-5 times the price as another provider is to me absurd to pay, I do not care how much money you have. The old saying a fool and his money are soon separated is relevant here.

how much better is the service going to be if you pay a donation 250 as opposed to 400 or more? Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

You're asking IS, when you really mean "SHOULD"
It SHOULD be $150 more valuable

Have i seen a difference in the high dollar versus the average rate? I USED to. Not anymore

A separate issue here, but my barber, while not the best, is 'my guy'. I drive 40 minutes to see him and pay $15 over his rate. Do I need to? no. I am expressing my appreciation to him as an artist. My former barber, I would routinely bring in liquor to stock his cabinet. Providing compensation according to the value it brings you vs only the cost and not a penny more. This seems to work with all avenues of service. Unfortunately, I've not found this has any impact in 'the hobby'. In my experience I would say as a point of record that it has the OPPOSITE effect.

okay, i'll put forth my 43 cents.
what would be needed to make a 400, 500, 800, 1000 per hour provider worth that fee for me?

in my adult sex worker/provider consuming opinion, in addition to your 4 As (Attractive, Affectionate, Attentive, Appreciative), i consider the following my encounter attribute desires. it's so much more than the oft-cited "IOP".

• her communication in setting up the appt (or her manager, booker, whatever) - the more responsive, the better. (part of your Attentive attribute)
• her physical location - closer is better for me.
• the kind of and ambiance of her location - an above average room/house that is tidy and nice, w/ appropriate level of lights, nice music (i guess some folks can have sex while hard-core rap is being played, but it's not for me), bathroom & shower accessories, decent bed all add to a much better experience.
• her looks - not just physically attractive to me but nicely dressed; visually stimulating as that does affect how lil delites and i respond to her.
• her range of activities - the more she does the kind of things i like to do, the better.
• her skill level in those activities - the higher her skill level, the better.
  (this and the one above are part of your Affectionate attribute)
• her range & level of communication - the more we connect, the better.
• her level of confidence and assuredness in herself - the more she has, the better.
• how she treats me before, during, and after the encounter (this is your appreciative attribute; like undressing me, setting my clothes aside nicely, and helping me dress)

so, the more she does to show that she's skilled and committed to the encounter, the more i'd be willing to give her a higher gift amount.


in my 28 yrs of being in this crazy sub-culture, most of the providers i've visited have *not* satisfied enough of my attribute desires, regardless of their fee. but there were a few things that made the encounter a somewhat if not average deliteful experience.


i recently visited a provider who, while farther than i normally go (but turned out to only be 30 mins) and less in one other desire, met every one of my attribute desires.
her appreciativeness was superb - by the time i finished my post-encounter dinner at a nearby whataburger, she had logged into p411 and given me an Okay update!
her fee was ~300/hr. if she were closer and more what i prefer physically, i would probably be good w/ a fee of 400/hr.


but for a provider asking 500, 800, 1000 per hour, there's not much she could do for me to rationalize those fees. now, if she came to my place, met all my attribute desires, and prepared a meal for me ... maybe