A Dem fucks up and says the truth we already know.

What I can tell you as California has gained millions of illegals they get more electoral college votes. And it’s 100% chance going blue. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

Also the illegals can increase, or minimize loss of House of Reps for the state. CA Dems have a 43-9 advantage in the US House. While not a 100% it is highly likely any new seats will go to a Dem. Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

this right here......... now lets see if HD or tommie denys it

The only thing illegal immigrants do is increase populism by census numbers but that takes 10 yrs to actually bring about any type of actionable numbers. They may create sway on opinions depending on numbers but usually negatively. They don't vote, they pay taxes on purchases and some even pay state taxes.

While the question is why have any open borders, is easy to answer. We always have and embraced those seeking asylum. Those who break laws to get here or have no path to citizenship will never become full citizens.

At the max, they can apply for some aid and some medical, or simply lie about their names and status... hospitals cannot deny service. Now as far as voting goes.. most states require you to be a citizen. In Pennsylvania, non-citizens are not permitted to vote in federal, state, and most local elections. Under both federal law...or you go to jail.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/imm...-part-out-loud


A resurfaced video clip appears to show Democratic Rep. Yvette Clarke, D-N.Y., claiming she needs more immigrants in her district "just for redistricting purposes," causing significant concern and outrage from conservatives online.

The video, from a 2021 House Foreign Affairs Committee briefing, shows long-time Democrat Clarke suggesting that the local Haitian community in Brooklyn could "absorb a significant number of these migrants."

"When I hear my colleagues talk about, you know, the doors of the inn being closed, no room in the inn, I’m saying, you know, I need more people in my district, just for redistricting purposes and those members could clearly fit here," said Clarke.

In response, Kyle Becker, an author and political commentator, commented on X, "House Rep. Yvette Clarke just said the quiet part out-loud. Democrats are as anti-American as it gets." Originally Posted by Devo

... Let's get back to this, shall we?

The Democrat plan to fill certain areas with illegals
- and then give them amnesty and voting rights.

Oh Crikey! ... Are there states that ALREADY allow
illegals to vote in local elections??

#### Salty

this right here......... now lets see if HD or tommie denys it Originally Posted by oldman2525

I'd recommend you check the redistricting rules and make sure you know how/when the basis for the dataset is formed.

Including how CA adjusts.

It will be enlightening. Who was in charge when the last decennial census was run? Do you recall?

Lol.

Illegal immigrants cannot vote. Illegal immigrants do not vote. They never have. You people are so gullible. FFS. Originally Posted by tommy156

... Are you certain of this??

#### Salty

I'd recommend you check the redistricting rules and make sure you know how/when the basis for the dataset is formed.

Including how CA adjusts.

It will be enlightening. Who was in charge when the last decennial census was run? Do you recall? Originally Posted by HDGristle

Lol u r one never to answer a question
Fact. Illegals are included in census report
Fact. More people more seats in the house of reps.
Fact these illegals will vote for the hand that lets them in... dems

Lol.

Illegal immigrants cannot vote. Illegal immigrants do not vote. They never have. You people are so gullible. FFS. Originally Posted by tommy156

If states dont require id to vote how are you so sure of that?

Lol u r one never to answer a question
Fact. Illegals are included in census report
Fact. More people more seats in the house of reps.
Fact these illegals will vote for the hand that lets them in... dems Originally Posted by oldman2525

Some are included. The group GM is worried about wouldn't really be counted until 2030. So you're concerned about the big gains... in 2031 and beyond.

If they're legitimately illegal they have no path to citizenship and no legitimate ability to vote in federal elections.

Which means you're worried about what? Legal paths to citizenship?

Yet TX and FL would also gain bigly in such a redistricting. Which is why Trump wants TX to redistrict now. Which would spur Cali to redistrict now. And would be based on the 2020 Census run by Wilbur Ross during the Trump Admin. During Trump's lockdowns, when folks started fleeing big cities during the pandemic. Which isn't actually as beneficial for a NY restricting now. And honestly, wouldn't be great in 2031 either based on current trends.

Also, Cali discounts inmates who are in Cali but last resided out of state. That's a fun fact that offsets some of whatever gains you're worried about, including the unreasonable fear of massive voter fraud by large gangs of illegal immigrants.

I suggest that you take a look at how the 2020 census changed the number of congressional seats by state.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-2020-census/

In this case
Texas gained +2
Florida gained +1

California lost -1
New York lost -1

Immigration doesn’t always benefit democrats when calculating population numbers.

Quite accurate TX

I suggest that you take a look at how the 2020 census changed the number of congressional seats by state.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-2020-census/

In this case
Texas gained +2
Florida gained +1

California lost -1
New York lost -1

Immigration doesn’t always benefit democrats when calculating population numbers. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

This was before thw mass importing of illegal immigrants. But u knew that

Some are included. The group GM is worried about wouldn't really be counted until 2030. So you're concerned about the big gains... in 2031 and beyond.

If they're legitimately illegal they have no path to citizenship and no legitimate ability to vote in federal elections.

Which means you're worried about what? Legal paths to citizenship?

Yet TX and FL would also gain bigly in such a redistricting. Which is why Trump wants TX to redistrict now. Which would spur Cali to redistrict now. And would be based on the 2020 Census run by Wilbur Ross during the Trump Admin. During Trump's lockdowns, when folks started fleeing big cities during the pandemic. Which isn't actually as beneficial for a NY restricting now. And honestly, wouldn't be great in 2031 either based on current trends.

Also, Cali discounts inmates who are in Cali but last resided out of state. That's a fun fact that offsets some of whatever gains you're worried about, including the unreasonable fear of massive voter fraud by large gangs of illegal immigrants. Originally Posted by HDGristle

It means nothing that trump was pres during thw last census nor who ran it

The census is the census. And more people means more reps in the house

And again if states dont require voter id verification, well to say no illegals can vote is horseshit

This was before thw mass importing of illegal immigrants. But u knew that Originally Posted by oldman2525

Where do you think all those immigrants are coming to? Texas and Florida.

And I often wonder who sits around passively and watches an administration intentionally open a border to further a political agenda.

Suicidal empathy. Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Unlike MAGA'S I don't stick up for a piece of shit. Biden is the reason we ended up with the total psycho, pedophile that we have now.

What Trump is doing 100% destroying this country and just because he's a Republican you people love him no matter what he does.

Taking insurance off of millions, taking meals off of older people that can't fend for themselves, taking meals off of children in school that their parents are too lazy to get a job, letting crazy convicts out of jail, putting tariffs on products that's already inflated that normal people have difficulty paying for, Not following any rules and having his compadres in the supreme Court change the laws especially for him to screw normal people over, but don't worry Trump cares. Get a life.

Next we will be standing in line with a bushka on trying to get bread like what you see in Russia.

That is Trump's goal. Be a King destroy this country make it just like Russia.

GOOD JOB!!!

It means nothing that trump was pres during thw last census nor who ran it

The census is the census. And more people means more reps in the house

And again if states dont require voter id verification, well to say no illegals can vote is horseshit Originally Posted by oldman2525

It means those millions that GM said were let in by Biden and Harris don't currently factor in. Ross unsuccessfully tried to change the census, while presiding over one that netted the GOP more seats

You're chasing a fear. And not even looking at whether they account for a population increase or where they settle and how that would really impact the map that Trump won. Then spin yarns chasing more voter fraud fears without any evidence that your fear is anything more than an academic exercise of reductio ad absurdum

Are you against gerrymandering? Or just when Dems do it?

You'll want this...
https://thearp.org/blog/apportionment/

You'll also want to look at the individual state breakdowns