Georgia Election Problems - Continued...

Now you're making me laugh like a crazy bird, mate.

How does Fulton County "not disputing" rather ADMITTING
that they surely DID illegally count over 300,000 votes
NOT substantiate Trump's claim of fraud.

... If illegally certifying 315,000 votes is NOT Voter Fraud
- reckon I'm at a loss to know what is.

... But it's all rather fortunate the FBI/DOJ surely knows
what Voter Fraud is. ....

##### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

"Executive summary

Fulton County officials acknowledged at a December 9 Georgia State Election Board hearing that they “do not dispute” that tabulation tapes for advanced (early) voting were not signed, and auditors and advocates say the unsigned tapes correspond to roughly 315,000 early ballots. That admission — which many outlets summarize as Fulton County “admitting it illegally certified 315,000 ballots” — documents a procedural failure (unsigned tapes) substantiated by a Georgia Secretary of State inquiry, but the record provided here does not show a court or election authority formally voiding those votes or issuing a final legal determination that the county “illegally certified” the election totals."

"None of the supplied sources documents a final court decision, an official decertification of the 2020 results, or a formal admission phrased by Fulton County as “we illegally certified X ballots” in a legal-judgment sense; what is documented is an admission that required signatures on tabulation tapes were missing and the Secretary of State’s investigative summary that found violations of document procedures. The difference matters legally: acknowledging a procedural lapse is not the same as a judicial declaration that certification was unlawful and the results invalid."

https://factually.co/fact-checks/pol...plained-cb9082

Until proven otherwise, although there was a lapse in procedure, none of the votes in Fulton County have been found to be invalid.

Eventually this will fall under the category "nice try".

How many more years will OP bump this thread?

Only salty knows…

"Executive summary

Fulton County officials acknowledged at a December 9 Georgia State Election Board hearing that they “do not dispute” that tabulation tapes for advanced (early) voting were not signed, and auditors and advocates say the unsigned tapes correspond to roughly 315,000 early ballots. That admission — which many outlets summarize as Fulton County “admitting it illegally certified 315,000 ballots” — documents a procedural failure (unsigned tapes) substantiated by a Georgia Secretary of State inquiry, but the record provided here does not show a court or election authority formally voiding those votes or issuing a final legal determination that the county “illegally certified” the election totals."

"None of the supplied sources documents a final court decision, an official decertification of the 2020 results, or a formal admission phrased by Fulton County as “we illegally certified X ballots” in a legal-judgment sense; what is documented is an admission that required signatures on tabulation tapes were missing and the Secretary of State’s investigative summary that found violations of document procedures. The difference matters legally: acknowledging a procedural lapse is not the same as a judicial declaration that certification was unlawful and the results invalid."

https://factually.co/fact-checks/pol...plained-cb9082

Until proven otherwise, although there was a lapse in procedure, none of the votes in Fulton County have been found to be invalid.

Eventually this will fall under the category "nice try". Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

... Hee Hee! ... ... Try? ... Try of what??

Yer liberal fact-checkers cannot gloss-over the FACT
that Fulton County - in addition to MISCOUNTING votes
(mentioned in me previous GA Elections thread) that
Joe Rossi pointed out to the Election Officials -
NOW they went and ILLEGALLY CERTIFIED some 315,000 votes.

You can say none of the votes have been found to be
invalid - and you can say that none of the votes
have been found to be VALID. ... But, you CANNOT dispute
that the votes were ILLEGALLY CERTIFIED.

... Hmmmm... Odd thing... Remember not long ago when
some o' you lads were insulting me and calling me a LIAR?

... NOW the truth comes out... And wait 'till they
get to the ballots and envelopes that were DEMANDED
to be turned over... ... And wait until the
LAWSUITS start ...

... So, you lads keep believing the "fact-checkers" ...

... But whatever you do - Please keep reading! ...

##### Salty

... Hee Hee! ... ... Try? ... Try of what??

Yer liberal fact-checkers cannot gloss-over the FACT
that Fulton County - in addition to MISCOUNTING votes
(mentioned in me previous GA Elections thread) that
Joe Rossi pointed out to the Election Officials -
NOW they went and ILLEGALLY CERTIFIED some 315,000 votes.

You can say none of the votes have been found to be
invalid - and you can say that none of the votes
have been found to be VALID. ... But, you CANNOT dispute
that the votes were ILLEGALLY CERTIFIED.

... Hmmmm... Odd thing... Remember not long ago when
some o' you lads were insulting me and calling me a LIAR?

... NOW the truth comes out... And wait 'till they
get to the ballots and envelopes that were DEMANDED
to be turned over... ... And wait until the
LAWSUITS start ...

... So, you lads keep believing the "fact-checkers" ...

... But whatever you do - Please keep reading! ...

##### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Wrong. If you will reread my post it clearly states that none of the votes have been proven to be illegally certified. Let me refresh your memory.

"the record provided here does not show a court or election authority formally voiding those votes or issuing a final legal determination that the county “illegally certified” the election totals."

So to rephrase, as of today there are claims that although about 315,000 votes in the 2020 Georgia election were illegally certified, there has been no determination that that claim is valid.

I believe there were either 2 or 3 hand recounts of the votes in the 2020 Georgia election and all recounts ended up with Biden winning the vote.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...20-election-f/

Fact checkers don’t know the truth. Ballot hand counters and recounters don’t know the truth.

Salty knows.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Wrong. If you will reread my post it clearly states that none of the votes have been proven to be illegally certified. Let me refresh your memory.

"the record provided here does not show a court or election authority formally voiding those votes or issuing a final legal determination that the county “illegally certified” the election totals."

So to rephrase, as of today there are claims that although about 315,000 votes in the 2020 Georgia election were illegally certified, there has been no determination that that claim is valid.

I believe there were either 2 or 3 hand recounts of the votes in the 2020 Georgia election and all recounts ended up with Biden winning the vote.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...20-election-f/ Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

... Are YOU and Politifact (the "Hunter laptop is fake" politifact)
lost on this issue?? ... WHAT claim is valid??
That 315,000 votes were illegally Certified?? ... They have
ADMITTED that they were ILLEGALLY CERTIFIED! ...

And as I mentioned already - they had whistleblowers reveal
it at the time - but shithouse rats Kemp and Raffensperger
just swept it under the rug.

Wait until the LAWSUITS come - then we'll see.

... So, President Trump - and yer mate Salty were CORRECT
on all of this... And remember that Georgia Officials
- Fani Willis and what-not, Jack Smith, whomever - then
brought criminal charges against President Trump and
what was it? 18 "co-conspriritours"?? For even questioning
the 2020 Georgia presidential election.

... And "me ballots" - Where are they?? ... WHY do the
Fulton County Officials keep them hidden?? ...

... No matter - the FBI/DOJ are investigating Georgia.
Just as I told you fellows this would happen. ...

#### Salty

... ALL Currently Being INVESTIGATED.

... And the results will be mentioned right here. ...

... Fani is being held to proper accounte.

#### Salty

Pathetic.

You think she might get monies back from those that caused a frivolous lawsuit? It would only be proper for all the time, money, labour, clogging of judicial dockets.

That would teach the party of law and order.

... Are YOU and Politifact (the "Hunter laptop is fake" politifact)
lost on this issue?? ... WHAT claim is valid??
That 315,000 votes were illegally Certified?? ... They have
ADMITTED that they were ILLEGALLY CERTIFIED! ...

And as I mentioned already - they had whistleblowers reveal
it at the time - but shithouse rats Kemp and Raffensperger
just swept it under the rug.

Wait until the LAWSUITS come - then we'll see.

... So, President Trump - and yer mate Salty were CORRECT
on all of this... And remember that Georgia Officials
- Fani Willis and what-not, Jack Smith, whomever - then
brought criminal charges against President Trump and
what was it? 18 "co-conspriritours"?? For even questioning
the 2020 Georgia presidential election.

... And "me ballots" - Where are they?? ... WHY do the
Fulton County Officials keep them hidden?? ...

... No matter - the FBI/DOJ are investigating Georgia.
Just as I told you fellows this would happen. ...

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Once again:

"Bottom line

Fulton County officials acknowledged at a public hearing that they “do not dispute” tabulation tapes for advanced voting were not signed, and state investigators found the county violated record-keeping rules affecting roughly 315,000 early votes; these are documented facts in the cited reporting . Whether that acknowledgment equals a formal admission that the county “illegally certified” those ballots in the legal sense depends on definitions and on actions not shown in the provided sources — there is no cited record here of a court or election authority formally voiding or decertifying the ballots based solely on the unsigned tapes."

To summarize for you yet again: Record-keeping rules were violated but that violation in no way means the ballots were illegally cast. The election results stand unless the courts deem otherwise. Let the lawsuits come but until then the election results stand.

I'll bet prior to the 2020 election you and almost all other Republicans were huge supporters of Kemp and Raffensperger. Typical Trumpster. As soon as anyone shows a hint of disloyalty to Trump they are "shithouse rats". They, in defiance to Trump, did their jobs and stood up to him.

And your comments on Fani Willis are way off. Trump did not just question the results. No problem with that. But depending on one's interpretation of Trump's phone call to Raffensperger there was an attempt by Trump to coerce him to alter the election results. We will never know how a jury would have ruled on the case.

A....TWENTY-SIX-PLUS...month bump?

Really?

That says it all about the OP's desperation to remain relevant in the world of MAGA fealty...

.

... No, that is NOT what Trump's telephone call was about.
I'll do a thread on Secretary of State Raffensperger tomorrow,
and will explain chapter and verse on HIS illegality.

... And yes, that haven't changed the the election results - YET,
but the Courts will handle that. ... No doubt a Criminal conspiricy,
and the Investigations are just getting started! ...

... Ain't this FUN? ...

#### Salty

... Seeing as Fani is facing charges - and already paying $$$$
for her mis-deeds, I'd surely say that THIS is very relevant.

.... ... ... ...

#### Salty

A....TWENTY-SIX-PLUS...month bump?

Really?

That says it all about the OP's desperation to remain relevant in the world of MAGA fealty...

. Originally Posted by Mort Watt

I appreciate Salty bumping the thread. Take a look at Blackman's posts on this page about Fani's case. I enjoyed re-reading them. He's an attorney.

...Trump did not just question the results. No problem with that. But depending on one's interpretation of Trump's phone call to Raffensperger there was an attempt by Trump to coerce him to alter the election results. We will never know how a jury would have ruled on the case. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Question, why did Trump do it?

Trump suggested that Raffensperger could be exposed to criminal liability if he didn't act on his fraud claims and “find” votes. Was this a threat? In other words, was Trump threatening to prosecute Raffensperger if he didn't manufacture 11,000 some odd votes out of thin air? Or did he really believe he'd been defrauded?

The call happened in early January of 2021, and Trump was scheduled to leave office in less than a month. He clearly lost the election. If it was threat, to try to force Raffensperger to commit fraud, Trump should have known it was laughable. There was no way he'd be in a position to direct the DOJ to prosecute Raffensperger through to a conviction.

So, in other words, was Trump himself convinced he'd been defrauded in Georgia?

The answer may be yes. He's a great salesman. And the best salesmen convince themselves, in their hearts, that whatever shit they're selling is fine as gold. They're not crazy. They're just able to channel their inner beliefs in a way that promotes their desired ends.

The hole in my theory is that he and his team pursued using alternate and fake electors in places like New Mexico, Michigan and Nevada. It should have been obvious to him that that would be cheating.