Question: Why are you (personally) not on P411?

What are the reasons why you are not on P411, whether you're a provider or admirer? I am , myself. But I'm just curious.

Being that it's a safety net, and I don't think I've met anyone who's not concerned about safety, my analytical mind just wonders why you aren't on the site?

What are the reasons why you are not on P411, whether you're a provider or admirer? I am , myself. But I'm just curious.

Being that it's a safety net, and I don't think I've met anyone who's not concerned about safety, my analytical mind just wonders why you aren't on the site? Originally Posted by eccieuser13

ALOT of gents seem to think the price doesn't warrant being on that site. Personally I book pretty much exclusively from that site and have NEVER had a bad or unsafe encounter. I purchased a lifetime membership many years ago, so that's not even a concern. Even if I was paying yearly its a small price to pay for the higher level of ladies that frequent that site as opposed to ones like STG or list crawler or some of the other nonsense that's out there that seem to have a pretty high rate of poor/unsafe encounters. I guess it depends what your willing to put up with to save a buck, just to "get off". I'd much prefer the much higher probability of a worthwhile and memorable encounter, and possibly hobby less frequently, then risk the great unknown on some of these sites.

I absolutely don’t trust the new owners. Mine wasn’t a lifetime account so I never renewed. While few and far between my worst experiences were from p411. The quality has definitely deteriorated in my view in the past few years.

I don’t see a bunch of different ladies so once I find a couple that satisfy what I like there’s really no reason to keep something like that. Besides if you make friends with other guys word of mouth is much better.

I was as long as Gina was the owner. Since the new management has taken over, none of my 4 credit cards go through (are flagged as a transaction with a Bulgarian bank), so I wrote them a money order per their instructions, they cashed it, but did not renew my account.


The "ladies" that are joining since the new management are up to OH2 standards - ghosting, nc / ns, etc. When you report to new management, you get a bot reply "pick another companion".


Helpful.

For me it's all about where you live. If your in a big City you have a lot of providers and selection. But if you do not live in the top 20 there is not that many providers.

When I was traveling for work I was a p411 member, but now that I am tied to the desk with a supervisor role, I don't make it to LA, San Diego, San Francisco, Vegas, Seattle, or NY.

I was as long as Gina was the owner. Since the new management has taken over, none of my 4 credit cards go through (are flagged as a transaction with a Bulgarian bank), so I wrote them a money order per their instructions, they cashed it, but did not renew my account.


The "ladies" that are joining since the new management are up to OH2 standards - ghosting, nc / ns, etc. When you report to new management, you get a bot reply "pick another companion".


Helpful. Originally Posted by Anonymous01

Gina was the bomb. US banks show a lot of web sites suspicious of illegal business. The moral high ground of these blocks are built on unethical robbing of customers so....depends on who the fuckee and the fucker is.

Traveling like I do, P411 makes it easy and safe. Eastern Europeans are direct and have no time for how you feel about something. You want to get your dick sucked or want to feel good about something else.
Cheers

P411 was great when traveling. It was easy setting up appointments without giving out personal info. Now days I don't see providers as much and have no reason to keep membership. I may rejoin again some day.

Interesting It's only 119 for six months of membership.

I bought a Lifetime Membership. More cost effective that way.

P411 is my friend.

Interesting It's only 119 for six months of membership. Originally Posted by eccieuser13

So what? They admittedly say it’s not a screening service. I can easily ask a few ladies who I’ve seen to give a reference. You really come across like you are shilling for them. You have absolutely no idea what they do with any of the information they collect.

I can buy TER and here without giving up any personal information. Thats the difference .

If you travel it's needed.
If you wish to date traveling gals that stop in your town, it's required.

The issue is references.
A traveling gal visiting your town is not going to wait a day for your references to respond.

If you are traveling elsewhere, a gal may simply not accept a reference from a gal 3 states away that she's never heard of.

As for using credit cards, geeze, just use your normal card.
Better yet, buy a lifetime.

Yes things changed after Gina retired. Not much at all though.

There's no other outfit that has the nationwide scope that P411 has.

Every one of ECGs posse uses it. And their travel circuit covers several states
My and ECG's accounts are still open even though we don't use them, as we're both retired.

I was as long as Gina was the owner. Since the new management has taken over, none of my 4 credit cards go through (are flagged as a transaction with a Bulgarian bank), so I wrote them a money order per their instructions, they cashed it, but did not renew my account.


The "ladies" that are joining since the new management are up to OH2 standards - ghosting, nc / ns, etc. When you report to new management, you get a bot reply "pick another companion".


Helpful. Originally Posted by Anonymous01

I'm surprised to hear that. It's good that you reported this to them. The site is only as good as who is on it. And yes, people should be taken off who aren't up to standards.

Had it years ago. Let it go during Covid. It hit me really hard. Took a while to regain my health. It actually was great back then. Easy to set dates up. Once I lost it, I didn't want to start from scratch again. Turned to Seeking. It was easy to get a anonymous account w/o a photo and enjoyed it emensely. Never a problem with those I met up with. It was a chore to search through the fake accounts and sort out the girls who only wanted a public only platonic outing. A few girls would chicken out and leave me with a room to myself. Lost that when one of the in public only girls got me banned when I told her I wouldn't pay good money for nothing in return. She got a little butt hurt I guess. So when a door closes, a window opens. Started regular dating again but it seems I spend more on that with not as much action. What to do. What to do. Lol

I did the lifetime renewal with a money order and no problems. When I discover a new gal on a different site, I check to see if she's on P411 and usually always pass if she is not.

Gina ran a tight ship. If I had a question for whatever reason, it was answered, usually within a few hours at most. When new management arrived, the costs went up and customer service quality went down. P411 was the gold standard. Then I started getting more requests for P411 plus other things. P411 is supposed to be a “passport.” It’s been years since I subscribed.