Another quagmire in the Middle East…..

how does anyone attack Iran without having a plan to deal with the Strait of Hormuz? effing insanity..

Trump has egg on his face with respect to the UK. first it's "you're too late to the party," then it's "pretty please with sugar on top send help to the Strait of Hormuz"..

typical Trump chaos..

any of you military experts, what would it take to actually secure the Strait of Hormuz? several destroyers? a carrier strike group or two? a complete conquest and occupation of Iran?

how does anyone attack Iran without having a plan to deal with the Strait of Hormuz? effing insanity..

Trump has egg on his face with respect to the UK. first it's "you're too late to the party," then it's "pretty please with sugar on top send help to the Strait of Hormuz"..

typical Trump chaos..

any of you military experts, what would it take to actually secure the Strait of Hormuz? several destroyers? a carrier strike group or two? a complete conquest and occupation of Iran? Originally Posted by pxmcc

More depth to the quagmire….Trump had lost control of the Staits entirely, and countries are negotiating with Iran directly.


How Iran defied Trump threats to emerge as Strait of Hormuz gatekeeper

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/...muz-gatekeeper

The longer we stay in this mess Trump caused, the deeper the quagmire will get.

elg…

As France’s lead general said “joining the US’s effort in Iran would be like buying a ticket on the Titanic after hit the iceberg”.

Could not be better stated.

Germany says this is not NATOs war. So I guess that’s a polite way of saying “kick rocks” to Trump. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Germany is not going to fight Israels war for them but Biden and Trump are willing. That's what Americans don't understand.

Article Five says an attack on one is an attack on all. Turkey and Cyprus got missile attacks. You stickers for legalese have to acknowledge that that was an attack on NATO.
Now, do we NEED the support of Germany? Not really but you want to share the burden such as it is now. That way everyone recognizes that they have skin in the game. And they can't come back later like democrats do and say we were against this the whole time. Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

We're seeing that the whole Article 5 thing is a joke. Turkey is not going to fight Israel's war for them against Iran even if Iran sent a single drone or missle their way. The whole NATO vs. BRICS World War is very real and it's in high gear. It's time like these that will bring out the very best or the very worst in people. Expect chaos to unfold with another flashbulb-like moment to occur in the world that will rival Pearl Harbor or 911 soon. It's what the elites want who control the world.

More depth to the quagmire….Trump had lost control of the Staits entirely, and countries are negotiating with Iran directly.


How Iran defied Trump threats to emerge as Strait of Hormuz gatekeeper

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/...muz-gatekeeper

The longer we stay in this mess Trump caused, the deeper the quagmire will get.

elg… Originally Posted by elghund

I'll argue that Netanyahu caused this mess more than Trump. Don't worry though because any incoming Democrat will just continue what Trump is doing and lick the boots of Israel.

Talking about NATO rules of engagement is getting off track.

Trump had good intentions,but his objectives are not being obtained. He babbles about he won the war - very far from accurate.

- there has not been a regime change, and is not likely
- the intent of Iran to obtain nuclear weapons is still there no matter what Trump does
- Trump has managed to get oil prices to $ 110 per barrel
- his requests and reasons to get Allies to help are far out
- just a short time ago Trump made many statements about taking over Greenland which belongs to one
of our Allies


Who knows the final outcome.....but Trump has managed to make a mess of this

...any of you military experts, what would it take to actually secure the Strait of Hormuz? several destroyers? a carrier strike group or two? a complete conquest and occupation of Iran? Originally Posted by pxmcc

I'm not a military expert, but this guy is:

Retired Rear Adm. Mark Montgomery, who has commanded a carrier strike group, recently laid out what a Hormuz operation might look like. First, continue to degrade to a “militarily manageable risk” the missiles, mines, drones and unmanned surface combatants that could threaten U.S. forces and tankers. Second, maintain “an unblinking eye that looks 50 miles on either side of the Strait and 100 miles back.”

Third, keep “four or eight aircraft persistently overhead” during convoy operations, equipped with Advanced Precision Kill Weapon Systems, “a cheap rocket—$25,000—that is extremely effective against Shahed drones.” Fourth, have “armed helos” ready to attack small boats that emerge.

Fifth, deploy 10-14 Aegis destroyers, whose air defenses make them “the perfect escort ship.” These surface combatants first need to be brought into place, and allies could join later.

This is no easy mission, and “militarily manageable risk” won’t be comforting to Americans or energy markets if this goes sideways. But Iran doesn’t hold all the cards. Its action in Hormuz could force Mr. Trump to see the war through, which is bad news for the regime.

^^good info Lusty.

European nations have agreed to secure the Strait.

What does it say about someone who takes myths, rumors, and assumptions as fact? Now, come up with some facts. Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

What does it say about someone who just makes a straw statement with no supporting body to it? Guess one could say that is why you are in the romper room in time out. Come back and learn how to put together a proper arguement. Not a maggie inuendo (sp) comment.

Germany says this is not NATOs war. So I guess that’s a polite way of saying “kick rocks” to Trump. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

It is not. NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization. Maybe SEATO? But that is eastern asia.

Article Five says an attack on one is an attack on all. Turkey and Cyprus got missile attacks. You stickers for legalese have to acknowledge that that was an attack on NATO.
Now, do we NEED the support of Germany? Not really but you want to share the burden such as it is now. That way everyone recognizes that they have skin in the game. And they can't come back later like democrats do and say we were against this the whole time. Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

But *WE* initiated the attack which maggies are calling a war/not war. Article 5 is to deal with aggressors. This why you were banned? Tell us why when you come out of the romper room.

More depth to the quagmire….Trump had lost control of the Staits entirely, and countries are negotiating with Iran directly.


How Iran defied Trump threats to emerge as Strait of Hormuz gatekeeper

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/...muz-gatekeeper

The longer we stay in this mess Trump caused, the deeper the quagmire will get.

elg… Originally Posted by elghund

Ah. That Art of the Deal in action. Maggies must love the flexing of grey matter the orange blob is displaying.

European nations have agreed to secure the Strait. Originally Posted by VitaMan

Hmmm. A few days later and haven't seen anything about that.