9, I'm a warmonger? LOL! I figured you didn't read anything I wrote. You said Iran was not a threat. I was just pointing out how stupid that was. I never said we should start a war with them. It must be nice living in your own little world. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuyJust who is threatened by Iran? You? Do you wake up at night wondering just what Iran's gonna do to US tomorrow?
Ah, T9, you are becoming as entertaining as Longermonger. LOL! Did I bring up Iran? No. Are they a threat? Yes. Can they attack the US? No. Can they start a war in the middle east? Yes. Are they threatening war in the middle east? Yes. Would the US get involved in a middle eastern war? Yes.Iran can't attack the US, so, how can they be a threat to the US. SO you want the US to continue to be the world's police force...... It's always the people who are too old to fight who are thumping their chests. You'd better stop before your pacemaker stops working.
My friend, I am not a master of bullshit, but I think I just met him. If you want to treat Iran like they are no more of a threat than Botswana or Luxembourg, go ahead. But you are not living in the real world. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy
LOL! I've been protesting wars since 1812. Acknowledging they are a threat is not demanding that we blow them up. War is a result of failed diplomacy, or falling profits of war merchandisers. Iran is a threat. You are blind and an idiot if you don't see that. I think we should all we can to AVOID war with them, and the rest of the Middle East.I'm glad for your protests. But you're as just as blind, and twice the idiot that I am for swallowing the "Iran is a threat" line. Let me guess: Iraq and North Korea is too. Acknowledging that they are a threat gives you war-mongers power. Acknowledgement is damned near approval. Iran is a "threat" b/c Ayatollah Khomeni took hostages and embarrassed the U.S. government. The OLD government: Regan, Casper Weinberger, and Dick Cheney Old. W was quoting his party line as well, acting out the republican presidential script. I find it amazing that you have so much knowledge of the political games that are played, yet you can't recognize the "manufactured threat that may require drastic measures" game. Wars generate income for people like Haliburton. "Threats" require that they be treated like "threats" and defense contracts and CIA operations get funded and contracted - again Haliburton and the like. One big game and somehow, you see the validity in their "threat" status. I'm more afraid of your old ass that I am of Iran. LOL. You're a bigger threat to the US than they will ever be. You want to know when Iran really become a threat -the day after Israel blow them to shit..
You keep trying to pigeonhole me. It's fun to watch. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy
My head up my ass, huh? A british paper? What's the matter, dumbass, you couldn't find an American paper to support your bullshit opinion? Civility goes a long way.... You'll get it, when you give it, dumbass..... Originally Posted by thorough9Actually, no, I could not. The British press has been pretty much right on target when it comes to publishing articles regarding the US's foreign enemies and the foibles of the Bamster's administration. The US press is pretty much trying to salvage the remants of the Bamster to try to keep him in office, so they can't spend any time investigating the enemies of the US.
T9, I agree with the rest, Iran is absolutely a threat. A nuclear Iran is extremely dangerous situation for the rest of the free world. I don't care that they don't have the capability to launch a missile that can reach us, but I do care that Iran has been the main supporter of the resistance against the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. With this willingness to deal in and with terror, I think Iran would have no qualms about building a nuclear suitcase bomb to be detonated over here. Originally Posted by kcbigpapaOkay, but what are they doing, that any of us wouldn't do, if we were in their situation? For argument's sake... Would you allow someone to try and force you to be dependent upon them and their money and financial manipulations. Here's the real secret. Iran needs western money b/c they have no real infrastructure and have been under sanctions for quite a while. If they have nuclear capabilities, the Israeli threat is neutralized and they can refuse to sell oil to the West and still survive. there's the bomb: financial warfare - oil prices skyrocket overnight and Iran can "sanction" the West. You've got loads of nukes, Israel, Pakistan, India, etc, etc has nukes, but not Iran. Explain that. I'm an american, but i try and see it through their eyes every once in a while.
Actually, no, I could not. The British press has been pretty much right on target when it comes to publishing articles regarding the US's foreign enemies and the foibles of the Bamster's administration. The US press is pretty much trying to salvage the remants of the Bamster to try to keep him in office, so they can't spend any time investigating the enemies of the US.yawn......
Oh, and I've been called worse by people that actually would be missed if their existence had not occurred - unlike you that, when presented evidence that can't be refuted, delve into personal attacks. Just keep your head where it's at and think happy thoughts.
I admire that you think what you want, T9, and are not willing to allow facts to disturb your preconceived stereotypes. It is a peaceful place to be. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuyWhere are the facts? What is, and is not, a threat is an opinion, a hypothesis, and there are certain qualifications: Do we share borders? Are they able to reach us logistically? Have they mobilized with the intent to engage? The answeres are No, NO, and NO. You wouldn't know a fact if it squated and took a shit on your quivering upper lip... Like I said, you're a bigger threat to the U.S. than Iran will ever be, you're just spouting what you've been told to spout, or programmed to.
What should Iran do? Do you mean the people or the religious masters of the realm? Two different things. The people like people everywhere would like to be left alone to raise their children and glean some happiness from life.The Imams and the Ayatollahs of Iran are the equivalents of Pat Robertson's and the religious right of The U.S. The difference is that their dialogue is overt and publicized.
The people in charge believe in a islamic world brought about by strife and bloodshed. Their leader believes that by bringing about Armageddon that he will meet the 13th Iman and paradise will follow. Forget about the billions of dead muslims and non-muslms. They have the oil and they call the tune. Who exactly is oppressing Iran (except for their leadership)? It would have far cheaper, less controversial, and less threatening for Iran to build some oil refineries instead of nuclear weapons. If Iran was an open society they would be strategically located to become a powerhouse in the Middle East. They have a great deal of oil, an educated population, a young population, and sit on the most important sea lane in the world. The Shah made a large leap forward in the years that he was in power, why have they gone backwards in so many ways since the Ayatollahs took over?
The leadership of Iran is all about hatred of the west, non-muslims, and losing their power. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn