If I was black...

No I'm saying that if I am in a room with a naked black man, regardless of who he is and what he is like I suuuuuper likely to have a panic attack. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

Sorry to hear that... hopefully you're getting some kind of help for that. Then again who is to know what will happen? When was the last time you were ever in a room with a naked black man?

She can't get the black men on this board to accept her decision, imagine now this is going on in a locked room. I can see where a woman could become very concerned.

I know a few ladies IRL who are providers who don't see black men because they're not attracted to black men. I would say, "simply not attracted to black men," but the reasoning is not simple and mostly has to do with social conditioning, how they are raised and what they believe to be true about people as a whole. Some women have had very bad things happen to them at the hands of someone of a particular race or ethnicity... one person will become more attracted to that type of person and another will be repulsed.

The conditions or reasons a person places restrictions on who they see, in the end, really don't matter. A provider has the right to see whomever she wants... just as a hobbiest can see whomever they want, provided the lady is interested. Does the girl in the original post look attractive? Yep. Is she my "type"? Certainly. But as soon as I know she has a serious issue with black men (whatever the reason), she's forever off my list.

Like Jay-Z said, "On to the next one..."

I'm looking for a good time... not drama... not emotional hang-ups or baggage. Why would a guy try to see a lady where he knows that might be the end result? Some bad reviews out there come from poor chemistry... I simply choose to not put myself in situations where I know I'm going to have a bad time.

She can't get the black men on this board to accept her decision, imagine now this is going on in a locked room. I can see where a woman could become very concerned. Originally Posted by dirty dog

Really? She can't? Seem to be doing well accepting it so far... moving on

She can't get the black men on this board to accept her decision, imagine now this is going on in a locked room. I can see where a woman could become very concerned. Originally Posted by dirty dog

DirtyDog, actually the black men on this board DO accept her decision...as i've stated more than once. And besides the fact that not only do we accept it, but also agree as to having personal preferences as opposed to something else.

And as for you seeing where a woman could become very concerned? That's a pretty ignorant ass statement in the fact that we're just having a normal discussion. So just what WOULD happen in a locked room? The exact same thing as if YOU were to be in a locked room with her...absolutely NOTHING.

Well said both FireSerpent and DirtyDog. Regardless of the provider's reasoning not to see black men, it is her choice. It is as simple as that. Why put yourself in a position for a poor encounter. As you both said, move on. Nothing good can come from trying to convince them that you're "not like the others". Pressing them to see you and questioning there decision and reasoning makes you "just like the others".

Ok. We know that a business has a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason but they don't have a right to refuse service to an entire race because then it is discrimination and also against the law. What would happen to the ladies that have a NBP if they were to all of a sudden legalize the hobby? Could they keep that policy or could they potentially face a law suit?

Given the nature of this business, if they were to legalize it, I hope that those people would hope that a provider would still have the ability to refuse service to whom ever. It is their body, not the possession of someone else. If they were no longer able to refuse whomever they wanted, I would be greatly disappointed not only with the dick bringing the lawsuit, but the shyster lawyer and whoever else was involved in the filing of the lawsuit.

SillyGirl, u must have been in some pretty serious situations to have panic attacks....kinda goes beyond anything on this post. Sorry to hear that. Originally Posted by UnNameable_One

Thanks but everyone has a story. We all react to things differently. My first kiss with tongue was with a black kid actually and my mom is actually dating a black guy. I just can't.

Miss Mya, I'd have to say that's a different situation altogether. When you own a business you sell a product and most people who decline services to a people group open themselves up to litigation. However, even though there is a businesslike arrangement between those involved... when the product someone is buying is time with all that a person is... the product is an escape... an experience. And honestly, if someone feels that they can not fulfill the person's needs who is purchasing that time, I'm sure they'd appreciate knowing that as soon as possible.

If the hobby were legalized and "controled" then refusing service based on such things would be grounds for legal action like any other business. However, I'd move for simply decriminializing the hobby... allow the ladies to act as independent agents and make judgement calls based on their comfort level they have with others they have an agreement with in a services for financial assistance exchange.

I've seen a provider who had marked apprehension to seeing black men for some of the same reasons listed above (low-balling, attempts at being their business manager, etc.)... But, I don't "sound black" over the phone and she didn't express her desire to not see me based on my skin color until I got to her hotel. After assuring her that I will pay what she's asking and I didn't want to be her agent/manager/pimp... we had a fun time together.

Not everyone is going to have that type of experience... and everyone should be able to have a say in the type of experience they have.

Miss Mya, I'd have to say that's a different situation altogether. When you own a business you sell a product and most people who decline services to a people group open themselves up to litigation. However, even though there is a businesslike arrangement between those involved... when the product someone is buying is time with all that a person is... the product is an escape... an experience. And honestly, if someone feels that they can not fulfill the person's needs who is purchasing that time, I'm sure they'd appreciate knowing that as soon as possible.

If the hobby were legalized and "controled" then refusing service based on such things would be grounds for legal action like any other business. However, I'd move for simply decriminializing the hobby... allow the ladies to act as independent agents and make judgement calls based on their comfort level they have with others they have an agreement with in a services for financial assistance exchange.

I've seen a provider who had marked apprehension to seeing black men for some of the same reasons listed above (low-balling, attempts at being their business manager, etc.)... But, I don't "sound black" over the phone and she didn't express her desire to not see me based on my skin color until I got to her hotel. After assuring her that I will pay what she's asking and I didn't want to be her agent/manager/pimp... we had a fun time together.

Not everyone is going to have that type of experience... and everyone should be able to have a say in the type of experience they have. Originally Posted by FireSerpent

I agree I would rather see the hobby decriminalized than legalized for the reasons you brought up. I was just curious about the ramifications of the provider's policy if it was legalized. I personally don't have a policy and have yet to have a bad experience. I understand that some may have this policy based on bad experiences but I know that there are those that have arbitrarily made the decision. A part of me understands the policy but at the same time I feel as though a person shouldn't lump everyone into the same category. Maybe I feel this way because I am a minority and at times was stereotyped at my old work. People at work thought it was funny cause I have a problem with math and asians are suppose to be great at math. I know it isn't the same thing but it all goes back to me understanding the policy when it is based on personal experience.

DirtyDog, actually the black men on this board DO accept her decision...as i've stated more than once. And besides the fact that not only do we accept it, but also agree as to having personal preferences as opposed to something else.

And as for you seeing where a woman could become very concerned? That's a pretty ignorant ass statement in the fact that we're just having a normal discussion. So just what WOULD happen in a locked room? The exact same thing as if YOU were to be in a locked room with her...absolutely NOTHING. Originally Posted by UnNameable_One

No if you had accepted what she said you would never have written a post trying to get her to explain her reasoning or the logic in it, her reasons are hers and she does not need to explain them to anyone. I never said anything would happen, if you noticed no one asked her to explain her reasoning, but you, so its far from an ignorant statement. I could see you now at the hotel room door, "I am sorry but I can't see you I dont see black men", "why not, can you explain your logic to me", "well I just dont so could you please leave", "sure I will leave but I would like you to explain your logic to me".......... naw your right, I can't see how this might make a woman feel.

Haha.... I have the reverse issue Mya... I'm the opposite of most (not all) stereotypes concerning black men. In fact, I'm great at math... and calculus as well... if you need a tutor let me know

Miss Mya, I'd have to say that's a different situation altogether. When you own a business you sell a product and most people who decline services to a people group open themselves up to litigation. However, even though there is a businesslike arrangement between those involved... when the product someone is buying is time with all that a person is... the product is an escape... an experience. And honestly, if someone feels that they can not fulfill the person's needs who is purchasing that time, I'm sure they'd appreciate knowing that as soon as possible.

If the hobby were legalized and "controled" then refusing service based on such things would be grounds for legal action like any other business. However, I'd move for simply decriminializing the hobby... allow the ladies to act as independent agents and make judgement calls based on their comfort level they have with others they have an agreement with in a services for financial assistance exchange.

I've seen a provider who had marked apprehension to seeing black men for some of the same reasons listed above (low-balling, attempts at being their business manager, etc.)... But, I don't "sound black" over the phone and she didn't express her desire to not see me based on my skin color until I got to her hotel. After assuring her that I will pay what she's asking and I didn't want to be her agent/manager/pimp... we had a fun time together.

Not everyone is going to have that type of experience... and everyone should be able to have a say in the type of experience they have. Originally Posted by FireSerpent

Fire serpant I agree with you. I wish things were different but there are not, I have had black women whom did not want to entertain me because I am white, I did not ask her to explain it just spent my money elsewhere. If the situation works out and your able to see a provider once she has met you I am all for it.

If I may say, I was very unclear in my original statement. Phrasing should have been "Based on personal experiences (non hobby related) I am unable (mentally) to be sexual with black men."