Do you really know who you are giving your screening info to?

BDS,

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=115900

should be burned at the steak Originally Posted by MaggieSinead

I wouldn't wish a burned steak on my worst enemy. It seems you feel differently!

In all seriousness, sorry to hear of your woes. As clients, we like to think of the ladies we see as safe, independent and in it by financial/sexual choice rather than in any way forced or coerced, it's a horrible thought to know otherwise.

Ze, do you have a list of providers who subscribe to the H.A.P.I. mentality? I, for one, would use it as the only means of finding ladies to see.

P.S. Another reason why I never use P411. I'm happy to select someone on a good reputation and give them views in person of my various and sundry personal/employment details than have it out there online. I prefer the face to face judgement as to whether to trust an individual than employing the trust of potentially fallible software.

In previous employment for a law firm I used to do a lot of online tracking of individuals related to content that was illegal or constituted intellectual property infringement etc. You'd be amazed how much you could find out on a person given enough time and effort. It's scary. Be careful out there, chaps.

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P.S. Another reason why I never use P411. Originally Posted by KRH

If a "pimp" or "stable master" or "Ho's best friend" is accessing (or has access to) P411's database there's a reason not to use P411. Originally Posted by txcwby6

Why do people keep bashing P411 as if useing it means you are giving your name address and social security number out to the world? Even if a pimp had access to a girl's P411 account what info is he really getting? A list of girls who have OK'd you and your ID. What use does either of those have to him? At best he could use your ID to pass himself off as you to get himself screened. Which if he did then he would get caught pretty quickly when you see a provider looking at your account that you didn't give your ID to.

I'm happy to select someone on a good reputation and give them views in person of my various and sundry personal/employment details Originally Posted by KRH

If you are giving your personal info to a girl in person then you are giving her more info about you than you would by giving her a P411 ID. P411 doesn't require you to give them any of your personal info at all.

What use does either of those have to him? At best he could use your ID to pass himself off as you to get himself screened. Which if he did then he would get caught pretty quickly when you see a provider looking at your account that you didn't give your ID to. Originally Posted by DallasGuy21

WTF-

You don't see any other problem with this OTHER than your account being compromised?

Hopefully you notice a lady checked your account BEFORE some pimp with your ID shows up to her door and harms her.

I've talked to guys about this, and some of them don't check into their account except while they are in process of planning a get together. Which means a lot of downtime where something horrible can happen to a girl.

I guess this will be the new trend...

"No I didn't rape her... my account must have been compromised"...

Fucking ASSHATS make this life suck WAY more than it needs to.

WTF-

You don't see any other problem with this OTHER than your account being compromised?

Hopefully you notice a lady checked your account BEFORE some pimp with your ID shows up to her door and harms her.

I've talked to guys about this, and some of them don't check into their account except while they are in process of planning a get together. Which means a lot of downtime where something horrible can happen to a girl.

I guess this will be the new trend...

"No I didn't rape her... my account must have been compromised"...

Fucking ASSHATS make this life suck WAY more than it needs to. Originally Posted by ~Ze~

Easy, Ze. You make great points, but I admit I didn't think of them myself. I was thinking the same thing as Dallasguy, just didn't think of it from the provider perspective. Hope that doesn't make me an asshat.

"Do you really know who you are giving your screening info to?"

Nope. Next question.

Of course everyones saftey is important. I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't. My point wasn't that I don't think it is a problem that pimps are managing girls accounts but rather that people are objecting to using P411 because they think it is less safe than sending their screening info through other means.

Even if a pimp was to get your P411 ID he still wouldn't have access to your account because he wouldn't have your password. Which means that he wouldn't be able to give your ID to a provider through their website. He would have to give her that information some other way. And if a provider accepts the ID from a source other than through P411 then it means she is not using P411 properly to do her screening. Gina has posted on their website that you shouldn't give out or accept a client ID unless it is through P411's website or you have contacted Gina first to make sure it is ok. Personally I think it is a problem that many providers for what ever reason are not taking the time to properly screen. Especially when it is primarily their saftey but also the saftey of their clients that is at risk.

I've talked to guys about this, and some of them don't check into their account except while they are in process of planning a get together.

Although many guys don't log into P411 every day. P411 have added the option to have them send you an email whenever someone checks your profile. Which makes it just that much easier to stay up to date.

"No I didn't rape her... my account must have been compromised"...

Honestly I hate to say it but if he was really looking to hurt a girl he probably wouldn't need to use a stolen P411 ID to do it. If he is a pimp and has reputable girls working for him he could just use them as his references. Which is even more scary than him finding out what some ones P411 ID is. It just goes to show that no matter how much you screen it is never 100% fool proof.

And if a provider accepts the ID from a source other than through P411 then it means she is not using P411 properly to do her screening. Gina has posted on their website that you shouldn't give out or accept a client ID unless it is through P411's website or you have contacted Gina first to make sure it is ok. Originally Posted by DallasGuy21

~ And this is exactly what predators count on.

Some ladies have a difficult time even reading the forum guidelines, what makes you think they all take the time to familiarize themselves with p411? Just because it's posted in writing for all to read, does not mean it's being read.

Honestly I hate to say it but if he was really looking to hurt a girl he probably wouldn't need to use a stolen P411 ID to do it. If he is a pimp and has reputable girls working for him he could just use them as his references. Which is even more scary than him finding out what some ones P411 ID is. It just goes to show that no matter how much you screen it is never 100% fool proof. Originally Posted by DallasGuy21

~I think you are missing the point here. We have alerts. This guy IS violent, he IS a stalker, some of his ladies HAVE been hurt, period. I am not sure why you are trying to trivialize the issue of him potentially getting a hold of ID's, as other unsavory characters have done with P411 info in the past.

He doesn't have reputable girls working for him, so using his own girls as references is probably a less likely option.

Again, I am not so sure that many of the newer ladies (Hell, even some that have been around a while..) are fully aware that they are only supposed to accept ID's through the system. They barely know how to find their way to the powder room on ECCIE. So to think he would use ID's to set up unsuspecting providers is not a far-fetched or silly idea. It's a very real possibility, and it's all fun and games until it's your ID that is used to set someone up

~I think you are missing the point here. We have alerts. This guy IS violent, he IS a stalker, some of his ladies HAVE been hurt, period. I am not sure why you are trying to trivialize the issue of him potentially getting a hold of ID's, as other unsavory characters have done with P411 info in the past. Originally Posted by Dannie

I don't think I am. This thread is not an alert. It is not in the alert section. And it was not about him specifically but about screening in general. The way I read it was that Diamond and King were just brought up as an example. I don't understand why you feel meeting someone in person before you have screened him to get his screening info is safer than using P411 because that is what I'm arguing about. KRH said he wouldn't use P411 because he only meets with providers in person to give out his screening info. To me leting a stranger you met online within an arms length of you before you have recieved any kind of info has a much higher chance of ending badly than meeting some one through P411. I'm not saying that a pimp impersinating a client or a provider is a trivial matter because I think it is a big deal. All I'm saying is that while the risk is still there that some one could do harm to a person after screening them through P411. The odds of it happening are minimized compared to screening by email, phone, or in person. No matter how you choose to screen any time you give out your info you are taking a chance.

Some ladies have a difficult time even reading the forum guidelines, what makes you think they all take the time to familiarize themselves with p411? Just because it's posted in writing for all to read, does not mean it's being read. Originally Posted by Dannie

I don't think they all take the time to familiarize themselves with P411 and with all the info available on eccie. That is why I said "I think it is a problem that many providers for what ever reason are not taking the time to properly screen." I don't have a solution to make all providers read up on how to properly screen nor do I have a solution to make all hobbiests read up on how to get a hobby phone and how to research before visiting a provider. I also think that it is a little disconcerning that very quickly it was pointed out that girls could be harmed and raped as if hobbiests couldn't just as easily get robbed and murdered. You see alerts for both show up in the alerts section all the time. Everyones saftey is at risk when screening not just one side or the other.

That being said woot I'm under Dannie!

I agree with KRH on P411 - the bottomline is, I do not want my real name and employment information to be on a database anywhere that is even remotely connected to the hobby. If a provider cannot screen me based on the info that I provide and refuses to see me, thats her call I'll accept that. I have done my part of the screening to approach her, and we both need to understand there is a risk involved.

You cannot ask someone to prove something easily thats non-existent, e.g.,
(1) Prove it that you do not have a pimp
(2) Prove it that you didnt become a serial killer yesterday

I've been thinking about this screening issues, just started a thread on a proposal - not sure if the idea has been toyed around with already or not. Later, - aGM.

Grrrr I never get to be under someone interesting!

I agree with KRH on P411 - the bottomline is, I do not want my real name and employment information to be on a database anywhere that is even remotely connected to the hobby. Originally Posted by AgoodMess

Who said you have to give your name and employment info to P411? It is only an option. There are other options for getting approved for their service without giving them any personal info. If you are able to get screened without P411 then you should be able to get references. You can give them references in place of your personal info. They also offer multiple options for making payments anonymously.