How safe is SCREENING WITH REAL WORLD INFORMATION? (POLL)

Sucks to be a newbie these days when the screening services that we pay for and have to give up RW info for...are useless. Originally Posted by john353

That does suck but what sucks even more is to be a provider stuck in a room with a dangerous newbie. It is my understanding that there are plenty of newbie friendly providers who have their own screening methods that don't require rw info. These ladies just may not be his taste.

I will never understand using rw info against someone. This person could have the means to retaliate against you in a manner you never expected. Some ladies see men in their homes so the client you outed and pissed off knows exactly where you live.

When I first started I thought I needed to know real first names and occupation but I quickly found out I don't need any of that to stay safe and I frankly don't even want that info sent to me.

Be surprised what can be found out with just a real first name.

The fact that you ladies guard every piece of your personal information as if your life depends on it (cause it does) should make you understand why the guys here get up in arms about the subject. It's not just johns that take information and do extremely harmful things with it including physical damage.

Sucks to be a newbie these days when the screening services that we pay for and have to give up RW info for...are useless. Originally Posted by john353

Or sucks to be a newbie, period. Just see a provider that is willing to screen you with minimal RW info. There's your reference. My first provider and I met for lunch, we talked and had a great time. I paid her e bill to compensate het for her time and we met for a session the next day. Then I saw a newbie friendly provider that would accept my one reference and that was two. Which is what most providers require.

And giving them your info,....doesn't get you an okay.
So the answer is,....don't give them your info. Originally Posted by GlobeSpotter

Don't give out anything that can come back and bite you in the ass. Once you tell one provider any of your info, you have no control over what she does with it.

FYI gents can't STAND women who ask additional info after I put in a request ON the 411. Happened to me once. That's their choice - wtf ever. I move on. Don't use 411 to look for clients if you don't trust their services. Originally Posted by RickyGshots

+1
Once saw a showcase on p411 asking for 10 ok's.......... No shit TEN!

If I am unwilling to see a client without any screening information, and he has no vouches on any system.... I find that an impasse.

I'm trying to figure out of it is an insurmountable obstacle or not. Originally Posted by FoxyNC

Obstacle to what?

There are guys that won't joint P411 or any other screening service. Why? It's still susceptible to the same shit that happened to Ashley Madison - your RW info out there for all to see.

Ya - it's a pain. No sex without references. No references without sex.

What are you trying to do. It's all about risk/reward. If you want to see the maximum number of hooktards - have easy screening and see more vs. less. If you want to make sure you are screening out crazy/LE/nasty fucktards, you may see fewer, but may be better...maybe?

Nothing about the client is safe. Once a provider posts anything about you, any one of them can use it against you.

It's good to see an ECCIE legend contributing to the board again.

No, not you EA...................I meant john.

I guess I am not familiar with the more nefarious side of what "bat shit crazy" bitches can do...?.... I'm just trying to get a more clear picture, so that *I* myself can best proceed; keeping an equal keel on my own sense of safety/screening- yet keeping a sense of my clients privacy in mind also.

WTF, I am well aware we have bumped heads in disagreement; But I'm trying to find some even ground here.
Forgive me trying to better myself & my understanding.

. Originally Posted by FoxyNC

There is no even ground here....somebody is going to have to see a newbie...and someone will, it just won't be you if he is not stupid enough to give up any of he RW info.

I'm not really talking to you, I'm talking to folks who might actually believe you. The men who are stupid enough to give up their personal information so ladies can then do simple data searches and come up with information like say their Facebook account, their tax records , where they work.

But for those who do NOT have P411, the noobs? What then?
If I am unwilling to see a client without any screening information, and he has no vouches on any system.... I find that an impasse.

I'm trying to figure out of it is an insurmountable obstacle or not. Originally Posted by FoxyNC

May I suggest getting in another profession , saying curing Cancer.

You seem not to understand that this is a Catch-22





A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules.[1][2] An example includes:

• To apply for this job, you would have to be insane; but if you are insane, you are unacceptable for the job.

Catch-22s often result from rules, regulations, or procedures that an individual is subject to but has no control over because to fight the rule is to accept it. Another example is a situation in which someone is in need of something that can only be had by not being in need of it. One connotation of the term is that the creators of the "catch-22" have created arbitrary rules in order to justify and conceal their own abuse of power.






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That's fine WTF.

I understand it IS a catch 22, the way it is setup.
You think I would post this OP if I were trying to do something nefarious?
Quite the opposite.

I am very concerned with my own safety, and that of my clients.

I'm sorry it pisses you off to no end that I ask these questions,
but obviously there is a problem with the system, or else there wouldn't "be a problem" like this with noobs; i.e. the catch 22.

( I find it frustrating that when you need an ID to cash a check, you lose your ID, then you need to cash the check to get money to get the ID... catch 22. I feel you, EXACTLY!)

And there are some points being made here, too, about the "trust levels" going on with P411....
Why would a provider use it to screen with/make appointments, yet not accept zero okay's (for a noob) and yet require okay's from other providers?
That in itself is quite telling, don't you think?

There is often a lot of smoke and mirrors before people find the truth around certain situations. I find that I am such a literal person that a lot of the things people elude to, often go over my head.
I'm just trying to figure this shit out.

PARDON ME.

Really stupid idea.
Really ..........

The fact that you ladies guard every piece of your personal information as if your life depends on it (cause it does) should make you understand why the guys here get up in arms about the subject. It's not just johns that take information and do extremely harmful things with it including physical damage. Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

Bingo ! perhaps Foxy, and any others that want to chime in, can tell us exactly what you do with the real world info you ask for. Exactly how does it make you safer, not just feel safer but actually be safer?

I'm sorry it pisses you off to no end that I ask these questions,
but obviously there is a problem with the system, or else there wouldn't "be a problem" like this with noobs; i.e. the catch 22.

. Originally Posted by FoxyNC

It does not even piss me off that you are lying about saying it pisses me off!

There is often a lot of smoke and mirrors before people find the truth around certain situations. I find that I am such a literal person that a lot of the things people elude to, often go over my head.
I'm just trying to figure this shit out.

. Originally Posted by FoxyNC

This business, like almost any other is a supply and demand. There are plenty of ladies that will see guys without requiring personal information.

You ladies that do require on here....seem to want and change that. Why? These newbie friendly folks are seeing folks you will not see.

There is no solution...that is why it is a Catch-22.

The only check in the RLI game for whores is the fear of getting the "potty mouth" tag that goes with being a potty mouth. The tag is real and it is damaging. Because, we make it damaging.

When fucktards try to divert and protect their favorite whore (insert the name of your favorite potty mouth whore here), they are attempting to weaken that check in the hobby. They are putting their own selfish desires over the safety of all hobbyists.

The lasting damage of the potty mouth tag is what leads Fancy to extreme measures to spin her situation to hide from the tag. They all try to spin it to avoid the tag. They always fail.

Champaign Brown, Anna Starr, Alyssa XOXO, Fancy..........they are not the first..........they will not be the last........they will always be potty mouth outing whores.

It will be brought up in their reviews........it will be brought up in their threADs........it will be brought up in threads about them........not because it will teach them some kind of lesson........it will be brought up for the 15 others whores considering the unthinckable in that moment of anger.

This is a line the whore must not cross..........no if, and's or but's..........if she does, she gets what she deserves.

You're forgetting that this is Coed where hookers and pussy WK's don't expect hookers to be held accountable

what is the half life of atomic waste?
how long does the potty mouth handle hang on the provider?