Not An Alert, But Worth Mentioning

I've been in the hobby (off and on) since 1993, have probably been screened a handful of times, less than 5.

Thorough,

The thread you mentioned was in the national forum and was closed partly because you were attacking the providers and others who didn't agree with your opinion. Which if I may add was what you were doing here in the KC forum. You took it to the national forum because you didn't get the response that you were hoping for. Not everyone has to agree with you.

If you notice that when I made this post, it was last night and your thread was closed about an hour ago. I'm not trying to reopen anything.

You made the statement, I thought it was interesting and wanted others opinions, their thoughts on screening.

Now, go pick a fight with someone else who will computer fight back with you because it won't be me. You've proven yourself to be someone I'd rather not know or associate with in any form.

Back to topic.......

I appreciate the responses that have been given. Like Allie said, screening shouldn't be waived off and I'm surprised that more ladies don't screen. Every lady chooses to do things differently and that's fine. Its done not only because of LE, but for us to find out what type of gent you are, what you like, if you've shorted in the past, if you like to overstay your time, if you've gotten rough, etc....the list goes on.

As for the LE always passing screening, that's true. If they want a lady bad enough, they will get her. Hobbyists and providers both have worked with LE in the past and it'll happen again in the future, its just the nature of the beast. Its been proven in the past on ASPD I believe that a well known provider worked with LE in KC a few yrs back if I remember correctly. There was also a huge sting in Des Moines a year or two ago where an establish provider worked with LE to skirt her drug charges and set up over 10 guys from escorts.com.

I think some providers have a little less to lose and that is why the lax in screening sometimes. Maybe they dont have another career outside of providing, or no family/kids. Some I know follow their instincts pretty well, maybe some too much and they get bitten once, then they are more careful. I know I have called some well reviewed providers on here and really didn't get screened much if at all.

As the title said, its not an alert, but very much worth mentioning.

So I read this post and thought, WOW. I'm not wanting to start any arguments, but this worries me and should worry others.

http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=950648&postcount=29

Fully admits to being screened only once in his hobby life, but yet has 6 reviews under his belt. This really isn't about him as much as its about the ladies who don't screen.

What are your thoughts? Originally Posted by MsElena

You structured your little, attention-grabbing, feigned-concern, "draw attention to what he said", passive attack in such a manner as to draw attention to previous statements, which i made, stand by, and will not apologize for or back away from. What you want is a witch hunt because your little feeling got hurt. Give it a rest. You wanna run in, throw your little barbs and run away expecting protection. You were expecting outrage, "how could he say that" and didn't get it......... I went to a national forum, and you followed, so who's chasing who? Let's all get together and go against this guy - your favorite school-yard tactic, i might add - but generally ineffective. Here's the newest quotable for the un-original people who like to one-up, thumb-up, and attaboy: The guys here don't care about what I have to say, care less about my opinions and, even less about my beliefs. If i have useful information about said provider and said activitites, that's different. I've gotten under your skin and offended you - keep it there - just you, sweetheart. EVERYTIME that you address me, or reference my posts specifically, I WILL RESPOND. EVERYTIME! So - if you don't wanna have anything to do with me, put me on your ignore list, and find another way to broach the subject: Try this one:

A KC hobbyist, having 6 reviews, recently stated that he has never been screened. How do you feel about screening in general and the ladies who don't screen?

See, you would've gotten the same responses.


Screening is effective as long as the hobbyist is well established, the providers are reliable and can even remember who the guy is in the first place. Screening can be beat, by LE, newbies and any other person with the will and the means to do so, multiple handles and more than one pre-paid phone # are examples. JoCo Jordan was reliable until she agreed to serve as a decoy to save her own ass. Databases, of some sort, which include phones with saved numbers in them, which are kinda a requirement for a provider to give proper references, can be taken and used as leverage and evidence against not only the provider, but the hobbyist as well. I'd just love to be home with the family and get that knock on the door or the phone call from LE due to my information being taken from a "provider of references".

I am of the opinion that screening is to some providers' a way of saying that they're better than Streetwalkers and what they consider to be lower level providers, but it's what you do that defines you, not who you do it with. Master Dennis (RIP)was fond of saying something to the effect of w/o cellphones and the internet, the provider would be a SW. I'd add to that and say either a SW or working in a brothel, legally(Vegas) or illegally(Heidi Fleiss and Gov. Spitzer of NY). The law makes no distinction between the streetwalker and the professionally ,screening provider. Prostitution, solicitation, promoting prostitution do not have varying degrees of difficulty, beyond their definitions. There are degrees of person-to-person connectiveness, cleanliness, location, and wardrobe, but the act itself remain the same. Walmart and Sam's Club stock much of the same merchandise, but Sam's Club screens. I totally understand the desire for professionalism - I prefer it as well, but the very nature of the business can't be discarded by screening or any other business acumen.

After this response, I'm done with you.

I didn't follow you, I post in the national forum all the time and so do a few others from the KC area. Its not all about you Marcia Marcia Marcia!! I didn't throw any barbs at you, I responded in a civil manner unlike you. Everytime someone disagrees with you, you feel the need to attack and if that's the way you behave, so be it.

As for drawing attention to your previous posts, that link doesn't. That link is to ONE post only. If anyone is drawing attention to your posts, its you. Look in the mirror and thank yourself for that one toots.

Darlin', you didn't offend me nor have you gotten under my skin. You are entertaining me though, thank you. Classic narcissistic traits at its best.

Enough of hijacking the thread into its all about Marcia. I'd like this thread to stay open and see what others have to say.

After this response, I'm done with you.

I didn't follow you, I post in the national forum all the time and so do a few others from the KC area. Its not all about you Marcia Marcia Marcia!! I didn't throw any barbs at you, I responded in a civil manner unlike you. Everytime someone disagrees with you, you feel the need to attack and if that's the way you behave, so be it.

As for drawing attention to your previous posts, that link doesn't. That link is to ONE post only. If anyone is drawing attention to your posts, its you. Look in the mirror and thank yourself for that one toots.

Darlin', you didn't offend me nor have you gotten under my skin. You are entertaining me though, thank you. Classic narcissistic traits at its best.

Enough of hijacking the thread into its all about Marcia. I'd like this thread to stay open and see what others have to say. Originally Posted by MsElena

The link is to a thread, which contains several posts, and yes you followed your sponsor to the thread as well as having parroted several of his lines as well. You are what you are, and i am what i am, you just seem to think that soemone gives a flip about you and your glorified opinion of the your actual worth -What's your hourly rate? Maybe in the powder room, doll, but it probably stops there. Here's the heart-breaker: If it weren't for Good Manners, Tact, Natural Respect towards Ladies, and the fact that everything in the Powder Room and the Men's Lounge is leaked, many others would probably have some choice things to say to or about you, me and others. If either of us disappear tomorrow, ECCIE will go on, as will the hobby. This thread, which you are so "concerned" about is a re-hash of several other threads of its kind, many of which you've participated in. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia - that's a good one...... I'm gonna be awake for the next three month trying to think of a comeback.
Once again, you choose your talking points and conveniently ignore what you can't comprehend or combat. oh well. Now, I'M done with you, but let's see how many more responses from you are posted to posts from an internet screen-handle that hasn't thorough9ly irritated the hell out of you, gotten under your skin and doesn't concern you I'm betting that you couldn't make yourself shut-up if you tried. Hear from you soon. Can't wait, luv.......



I'm so Vain!
I probably think this thread is about me!

I think we need to define our terms here. Some providers do light screening, others do passive screening or hidden screening, others simply require certain things which don't look like screening... but could be if it verifies you're not a creepy weirdo or working with LE.

But, if your definition of screening is to have a list of providers, call those providers and inquire about the referenced person... then I really couldn't tell you the last time someone has done that to me. In fact, it is possible that it could have been only once. Originally Posted by FireSerpent

I couldn't agree more and also couldn't have said it better myself. There are many ways a lady can screen and just because a hobbyist can't tell if screening was done doesn't mean that it wasn't.

To screen or not to screen, that is the question. If a provider wants to screen or not screen that is her choice, and although it pains me to agree with Thorough9 I dont believe that screening makes the provider any safer from either dangerous clients or LE. Over the many years in this hobby I have seen both ladies who screen and those who dont and have never been pinched, why, because I listen to that little voice in my head that experience and age has out there that tells me something is not right, we all have this voice. While I personally have not found that the "party" that I had with girls who screen were any better than those who dont, I have on a few occasions found that the time was not worth the hassle of screening. But bottom line, if LE wants you they are going to get you screening or not. I can also see a very energetic US attorney developing a conspiracy to promote prositution case could be made by proving the ladies where in colusion with regards to a possible criminal act. The key being that the ladies were working together by communicating approval or disapproval of potential customers, especially if the ladies communicate between themselves often, and we know that many of these ladies have set up mutual screening systems. But like I said this is a little far fetched, but it might be enough to spook some ladies into cooperating. I also have to agree with thorough about not wanting my information available to LE, during screening many of these ladies want your real name and address or place of employment so they can call and make sure your not LE, this is not acceptible to me.

I want to point out that I dont agree with the personal attack against Elena, but do with some of the substance of the conversation.

There is - IMO - no reason for a lady or her screener not to check out my profile after I send her a request through P411. In fact, out of the three times that a lady did not check out my profile but simply responded to my request positively, one was a NCNS, one was a NS, and one was a poor date.

Well, I mainly see massage ladies who never screen other than a few basic questions. I've never heard of any real problem with them regarding lack of screening and I've never heard of massage ladies falling prey in large numbers to LE or psychos. The so-called Craigslist Killer was an aberration and could have happened to ladies from any field of work or bar pick-up, etc.

It does seem as if the OP desires a small clique of ladies who all know each other and likely share the same pricing structure, etc. Which may be workable in a perfect world but we don't live in a perfect world. Is Upscale Jane, who charges 300/hr going to give a hoot about a reference from Rubdown Sally, who she doesn't know and charges 75/hr?

Does any lady really remember all the guys she's seen who may want a reference? How does Joe ask the lady he's seen a few times for a reference? Won't the lady feel insulted and think she's cutting her own threat financially by giving him a reference to a new lady? If I tell my mechanic that I want a reference from him for another mechanic, what will he think?

Obviously, a lady can run her business anyway she wants. If she wants references, fine. I don't see the point in trying to create fear and paranoia because one guy has a bunch of reviews despite hardly ever being screened.

I wish it was like Tulsa. Go over and check their Spa/Studio forum sometime. The reviews are for massage parlors that operate right out in the open in storefronts on major streets. You simply walk in the door or make an appt, pay a small door fee, then pick the lady of your choice. I've seen the staff photos for the places and the women are young and gorgeous. For about 200 bucks, you can have just about anything you want, including FS and everything in between, about the going price here for the top ladies, but without all the screening, phone tag, NC/NS hassles and paranoia. I used to live there and don't know how they get away with it as Oklahoma is definitely bible-belt country but they seem to do fine judging by the number of reviews.

..... Plenty of fish in the sea. I said in an earlier post LE will always pass a screen. So what's the point unless it's to keep the riff raff at bay Originally Posted by 6ULDV8

How will LE always pass a screen? I doubt a provider would vouch for them. A legit provider anyhow. Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

Well now! Allie, of course LE can pass a screen for any ID check, so why do you want to see a driver's license, or any other government document; LE is the government! They can have any government document issued that they want for undercover operations. Even if the driver's license is real, it doesn't say if the guy is LE or not LE; it is just a driver's license.

That being said, why do some girls insist on seeing a driver's license? Why do you want to know who a guy really is: to call his home, to call his boss, to call his wife, to ask for extra money? If you want to see my real name, why don't you use your real name up front for all of us to see? Now that really sounds stupid doesn't it? Too much danger to you, and too much danger for the male.

I have spent some time checking out each girl I have seen so that I like what I know about them before I see them. It is hard and slow to do, but a lot of weeds have to be pulled to have a beautiful garden. I don't mind sharing the names of the girls I have seen - within a small group - but if you say on line that you have to see a driver's license. Well, that is a problem. You say that you call the other girls, that is OK, because I just won't see any woman. I always treat a woman like a lady. A wise customer is selective; he is not just obtaining companionship, he is also getting security. You can get away with asking for a license with some of the guys because they know you have had your job for some time. If a guy follows your postings, you don't seem to have any big gorillas hanging around, but a negative about many woman is that they are just too nosey about the details of others lives. I think this is called gossip, and gossip can be a big problem. So why do you really call the other girls? Is it just security?

JR

I don't ask for identification so I wouldn't know why. I use provider vouches to screen clients which I thought was pretty clear in my last post. Unless there is a doubt of the client being underage then I wouldn't use that method myself. If LE is that close to you then you're already under arrest.
We call the other ladies when you use them as a ref to make sure you did indeed see them and make sure you are legit. It has nothing to do with gossip.

For someone like me, who may participate only once or twice every couple of years, the screening makes it hard, but I certainly understand and respect it. I was much more prolific 15 years ago in the good ol' TLC days. I blew WAY too much money back then. I also used to take more chances on ads, but now I have to be much more cautious myself. So, I guess each person does what s/he needs to do. In a perfect world, LE would be focusing on crime (including human trafficking, but not the hobby in general), and we wouldn't have to worry about things so much.

Its not all about you Marcia Marcia Marcia!! Originally Posted by MsElena

I almost choked and died!

We call the other ladies when you use them as a ref to make sure you did indeed see them and make sure you are legit. It has nothing to do with gossip. Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

Sorry Allie,
I came across a little harsh. Of course you have to protect yourself. I have no problem with anyone trying to find out what type of guy I am. I hope my visits are always welcome.

Likewise, I want to screen anyone I visit. So where am I coming from. In 1976 I lost my first wife, and raised my children alone and with the help of both my mother and my mother -in-law. Sometimes we all have private needs that are best not discuss others. Plaza Escorts provided private companionship. I saw one lady for many months on a weekly basis. When things were settled down, I became friends with another woman and married again. We were happy until she died. I went back to Plaza Escorts which was then managed by Master Dennis. His methods were not for me. The idea of someone collecting various information to make a dossier posed the question of: Why? By that time I had four families to be concerned about: my children, two sets of in-laws, and my parents and siblings. The real question was: If I had already used Plaza Escorts, why wasn't that good enough for Dennis. What else did he want with his data collection?

Maybe nothing; now I hear that he was OK. But, as much as the girls have been good to me, I have had a few times that I have listened to that inner voice that warns us, and just walked away. But then, I have walked away from many people in my real life too; if I get that strange uncomfortable feeling about being friends with them. No relationship, especially an intimate one, is about who has power over another, but there are some who think life is about controlling others. Shall we just avoid those who always want and never give.

JR