he isn't even close to being the stupidest one. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuyI would have to give that honor to Hank "Guam may tip over and capsize" Johnson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
- jac01
- 03-10-2011, 10:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
- SinsOfTheFlesh
- 03-10-2011, 10:18 PM
Jac01 I would have voted for Maxine "there is no problem at Freddie Mac, under the excellent - excellent - leadership of Mr. Franklin Raines" and "We will social-err, um, uh, err, err nationalize you" Waters.
But I concede. Johnson's concerns about the floatworthiness of Guam trumps Waters ten times over :
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But I concede. Johnson's concerns about the floatworthiness of Guam trumps Waters ten times over :
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- jac01
- 03-10-2011, 10:21 PM
SinsoftheFlesh, I almost put down that Maxine Waters was my runner-up. She was in first place until Johnson made the infamous Guam statement.
- Longermonger
- 03-10-2011, 10:31 PM
Lie?? Really?? Yes, really. It was; 1) an untrue statement, 2) known to be untrue, 3) told with the intent to deceive. If you want to argue that he was ignorant, then do so. Sorry fella, that's a 50 point IQ deduction. My IQ checking account can cover it. Thanks for playing, but we do have some lovely parting gifts for you. Is it sarcasm? Because I loves me some sarcasm! Your violation: Premature accusation. Are you a licensed premature accusation hall monitor? Rather difficult to extrapolate "lie" from a single flippant sentence. Extrapolate? No, I just added 1, 2, and 3. I do agree that his remark was flippant, though...very disrespectful.hi!
Rather bold of you to tell someone else they are being told what to think, while telling that same person to "STFU" isn't it? Thinking and saying are not the same thing. His head has been polluted and I'm trying to stop the pollution from flowing out. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet lid.
Barcode, welcome to the board. When politics is the topic, its a bloodsport. Gird you loins, and dive in!
PS. Back to Longer, Junior may have based his speech on a speech made by FDR but that does not lend any more rationality to his sentiment. If a small man stands on the shoulders of a giant, do you only see the small man? Changing the constitution to provide health care will magically create more doctors when we already have a doctor shortage? Really? In what universe? Maybe in the universe that you live in where; you hear only the words that you want to hear, you define them with your own meanings, you construe them to mean something that they didn't mean, has magic, and things happen instantly with no cause or effect. Back in this universe, it is clear that he was talking about "the answer to LONG TERM unemployment". This would be a gradual change and no doctors would be created with magic. What he's talking about is simple supply and demand. The supply of doctors would try to match the demand for doctors. The demand for doctors would be rise when the nation as a whole paid for the health of the nation as a whole, not part time citizens paying for just their part. Simply, it's the view that the U.S. is US. United We Stand, etc. A laptop and an iPod is a necessary school supply? Really? I managed to graduate Magna Cum Laude without either. Did you do it in the year 2033? Because that's when kids born in 2011 might do the same. I said 'modern' not 'necessary, BTW. Everyone knows that the iPod Touch has a built-in calculator. It's also a handy little dictionary and encyclopedia right in your pocket. In fact, it can be a whole LIBRARY in your pocket and there is an app for nearly everything. The device is a way for a kid to connect to the Internet, not just listen to music. Do you want to play Jeopardy against a high school kid with an Internet connected iPod Touch and Google for money? Didn't think so. I agree that our education system is broken and needs to be fixed, but when the DC school district simultaneously tops the list of most money spent per child, and lowest graduation rate, we need to consider the possibility that simply throwing more money at the problem won't fix anything. Throw iPhones! LOL, just kidding. Those devices are just tools. Tools without instruction are as useless as instruction without tools.
Dress it up however you like (high heels, fishnet stockings, and a smile), Jesse Junior sounded like a flaming nutjob (gay joke?) in that clip. Absolutely no grasp of reality, or possessing a single real solution to anything. President FDR had a vision for the future. He was a man that not only grasped reality, but dealt with it and bent it to his will during WWII. The reality that you enjoy today was partly created by him. Jesse Jackson Jr. was just commenting on the theoretical effects in regards to unemployment if the Second Bill of Rights were made law. If I were you I'd take the ideas presented in the Second Bill of Rights seriously. They are a vision of a future better than the status quo. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh
- Longermonger
- 03-10-2011, 10:33 PM
- SinsOfTheFlesh
- 03-10-2011, 11:21 PM
Wow that was a mouthful of a reply, but since you took the time to respond point for point, I shall do my best to do likewise.
Lie?? Really?? Yes, really. It was; 1) an untrue statement, 2) known to be untrue, 3) told with the intent to deceive. If you want to argue that he was ignorant, then do so.
Lets be honest, to call Barcode's post a lie is a bit of an overstatement. Flippant, yes. An exaggeration, indeed. But a lie? Bit of a stretch. Lets just be intellectually honest on that point so we can move on, shall we?
Sorry fella, that's a 50 point IQ deduction. My IQ checking account can cover it. Thanks for playing, but we do have some lovely parting gifts for you. Is it sarcasm? Because I loves me some sarcasm! Your violation: Premature accusation. Are you a licensed premature accusation hall monitor? Rather difficult to extrapolate "lie" from a single flippant sentence. Extrapolate? No, I just added 1, 2, and 3. I do agree that his remark was flippant, though...very disrespectful.
Its good that you love sarcasm. I am at times a master of it. Fear not, I save my sharp tongue for political discourse - NEVER anywhere it ought not to be. I am not a licensed premature accusation hall monitor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. And come on, give me extra brownie points for correctly spelling "extrapolate" and using it in proper context. As far as respectful? Pfffft, here? On this board? Surely you jest! (yes I know, don't call you Shirley)
Rather bold of you to tell someone else they are being told what to think, while telling that same person to "STFU" isn't it? Thinking and saying are not the same thing. His head has been polluted and I'm trying to stop the pollution from flowing out. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet lid.
Ooh, now that was a good one. Got a genuine LOL out of me even.
Barcode, welcome to the board. When politics is the topic, its a bloodsport. Gird you loins, and dive in!
PS. Back to Longer, Junior may have based his speech on a speech made by FDR but that does not lend any more rationality to his sentiment. If a small man stands on the shoulders of a giant, do you only see the small man?
A well stated point, but unfortunately, Jackson's 'vision' still has no grasp of reality. It still boils down to pie in the sky suggestions that will never come to pass, nor provide any real benefit if they did.
Changing the constitution to provide health care will magically create more doctors when we already have a doctor shortage? Really? In what universe? Maybe in the universe that you live in where; you hear only the words that you want to hear, you define them with your own meanings, you construe them to mean something that they didn't mean, has magic, and things happen instantly with no cause or effect. Back in this universe, it is clear that he was talking about "the answer to LONG TERM unemployment". This would be a gradual change and no doctors would be created with magic. What he's talking about is simple supply and demand. The supply of doctors would try to match the demand for doctors. The demand for doctors would be rise when the nation as a whole paid for the health of the nation as a whole, not part time citizens paying for just their part. Simply, it's the view that the U.S. is US. United We Stand, etc.
Ah, but the problem is, providing health care to everyone will not in any way alleviate the severe shortage of doctors we face in this country. In fact, quite the opposite. This is the main reason I object to the health care reform bill passed by Congress. Not only does it contain nothing to address the shortage of health care personnel, it will only exacerbate the problem by increasing consumers, while doing nothing to meet the higher demand. There are many factors that contribute to shortages across the healthcare field which we can get into in another thread. But in his speech, Jackson stated "We need to add to the Constitution the right to medical care. How many doctors would such a right create?" The answer is none. Medical schools create doctors. Currently there isn't a medical school in the country that doesn't have a waiting list. Some medical professions, OB/GYN being one of the worst, have severe shortages because the exorbitant insurance premiums required to protect against malpractice suits. Show me some real tort reform first, then I'll get interested in health care reform.
A laptop and an iPod is a necessary school supply? Really? I managed to graduate Magna Cum Laude without either. Did you do it in the year 2033? Because that's when kids born in 2011 might do the same. I said 'modern' not 'necessary, BTW. Everyone knows that the iPod Touch has a built-in calculator. It's also a handy little dictionary and encyclopedia right in your pocket. In fact, it can be a whole LIBRARY in your pocket and there is an app for nearly everything. The device is a way for a kid to connect to the Internet, not just listen to music. Do you want to play Jeopardy against a high school kid with an Internet connected iPod Touch and Google for money? Didn't think so. I agree that our education system is broken and needs to be fixed, but when the DC school district simultaneously tops the list of most money spent per child, and lowest graduation rate, we need to consider the possibility that simply throwing more money at the problem won't fix anything. Throw iPhones! LOL, just kidding.
You first. I'll have the bail money waiting *smile*
Those devices are just tools. Tools without instruction are as useless as instruction without tools.
Dress it up however you like high heels (check) fishnet stockings (check) and a smile (always)
Jesse Junior sounded like a flaming nutjob (gay joke? (definitely not) in that clip. Absolutely no grasp of reality, or possessing a single real solution to anything.
President FDR had a vision for the future. He was a man that not only grasped reality, but dealt with it and bent it to his will during WWII. The reality that you enjoy today was partly created by him. Jesse Jackson Jr. was just commenting on the theoretical effects in regards to unemployment if the Second Bill of Rights were made law. If I were you I'd take the ideas presented in the Second Bill of Rights seriously. They are a vision of a future better than the status quo.
My last comment about having no grasp of reality was toward Jackson. FDR was not a bad President. He was better than others, but in hindsight, his policies did more to extend the Great Depression than they did to shorten it. He also ushered in a host of changes that to this day, continue to saddle us with unsustainable debt. I support all the good government we can afford, but frankly, even today, we simply cannot afford the legacy FDR left us with. We never could, we never will, and it is to our detriment that we continue to fund extravagent programs that fail to meet their stated goals.
Last but not least, Hi back. Feel free to slap me around just like the guys. You were far too civil in this post. I loves me a good debate with or without the gloves LOL
Lie?? Really?? Yes, really. It was; 1) an untrue statement, 2) known to be untrue, 3) told with the intent to deceive. If you want to argue that he was ignorant, then do so.
Lets be honest, to call Barcode's post a lie is a bit of an overstatement. Flippant, yes. An exaggeration, indeed. But a lie? Bit of a stretch. Lets just be intellectually honest on that point so we can move on, shall we?
Sorry fella, that's a 50 point IQ deduction. My IQ checking account can cover it. Thanks for playing, but we do have some lovely parting gifts for you. Is it sarcasm? Because I loves me some sarcasm! Your violation: Premature accusation. Are you a licensed premature accusation hall monitor? Rather difficult to extrapolate "lie" from a single flippant sentence. Extrapolate? No, I just added 1, 2, and 3. I do agree that his remark was flippant, though...very disrespectful.
Its good that you love sarcasm. I am at times a master of it. Fear not, I save my sharp tongue for political discourse - NEVER anywhere it ought not to be. I am not a licensed premature accusation hall monitor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. And come on, give me extra brownie points for correctly spelling "extrapolate" and using it in proper context. As far as respectful? Pfffft, here? On this board? Surely you jest! (yes I know, don't call you Shirley)
Rather bold of you to tell someone else they are being told what to think, while telling that same person to "STFU" isn't it? Thinking and saying are not the same thing. His head has been polluted and I'm trying to stop the pollution from flowing out. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet lid.
Ooh, now that was a good one. Got a genuine LOL out of me even.
Barcode, welcome to the board. When politics is the topic, its a bloodsport. Gird you loins, and dive in!
PS. Back to Longer, Junior may have based his speech on a speech made by FDR but that does not lend any more rationality to his sentiment. If a small man stands on the shoulders of a giant, do you only see the small man?
A well stated point, but unfortunately, Jackson's 'vision' still has no grasp of reality. It still boils down to pie in the sky suggestions that will never come to pass, nor provide any real benefit if they did.
Changing the constitution to provide health care will magically create more doctors when we already have a doctor shortage? Really? In what universe? Maybe in the universe that you live in where; you hear only the words that you want to hear, you define them with your own meanings, you construe them to mean something that they didn't mean, has magic, and things happen instantly with no cause or effect. Back in this universe, it is clear that he was talking about "the answer to LONG TERM unemployment". This would be a gradual change and no doctors would be created with magic. What he's talking about is simple supply and demand. The supply of doctors would try to match the demand for doctors. The demand for doctors would be rise when the nation as a whole paid for the health of the nation as a whole, not part time citizens paying for just their part. Simply, it's the view that the U.S. is US. United We Stand, etc.
Ah, but the problem is, providing health care to everyone will not in any way alleviate the severe shortage of doctors we face in this country. In fact, quite the opposite. This is the main reason I object to the health care reform bill passed by Congress. Not only does it contain nothing to address the shortage of health care personnel, it will only exacerbate the problem by increasing consumers, while doing nothing to meet the higher demand. There are many factors that contribute to shortages across the healthcare field which we can get into in another thread. But in his speech, Jackson stated "We need to add to the Constitution the right to medical care. How many doctors would such a right create?" The answer is none. Medical schools create doctors. Currently there isn't a medical school in the country that doesn't have a waiting list. Some medical professions, OB/GYN being one of the worst, have severe shortages because the exorbitant insurance premiums required to protect against malpractice suits. Show me some real tort reform first, then I'll get interested in health care reform.
A laptop and an iPod is a necessary school supply? Really? I managed to graduate Magna Cum Laude without either. Did you do it in the year 2033? Because that's when kids born in 2011 might do the same. I said 'modern' not 'necessary, BTW. Everyone knows that the iPod Touch has a built-in calculator. It's also a handy little dictionary and encyclopedia right in your pocket. In fact, it can be a whole LIBRARY in your pocket and there is an app for nearly everything. The device is a way for a kid to connect to the Internet, not just listen to music. Do you want to play Jeopardy against a high school kid with an Internet connected iPod Touch and Google for money? Didn't think so. I agree that our education system is broken and needs to be fixed, but when the DC school district simultaneously tops the list of most money spent per child, and lowest graduation rate, we need to consider the possibility that simply throwing more money at the problem won't fix anything. Throw iPhones! LOL, just kidding.
You first. I'll have the bail money waiting *smile*
Those devices are just tools. Tools without instruction are as useless as instruction without tools.
Dress it up however you like high heels (check) fishnet stockings (check) and a smile (always)
Jesse Junior sounded like a flaming nutjob (gay joke? (definitely not) in that clip. Absolutely no grasp of reality, or possessing a single real solution to anything.
President FDR had a vision for the future. He was a man that not only grasped reality, but dealt with it and bent it to his will during WWII. The reality that you enjoy today was partly created by him. Jesse Jackson Jr. was just commenting on the theoretical effects in regards to unemployment if the Second Bill of Rights were made law. If I were you I'd take the ideas presented in the Second Bill of Rights seriously. They are a vision of a future better than the status quo.
My last comment about having no grasp of reality was toward Jackson. FDR was not a bad President. He was better than others, but in hindsight, his policies did more to extend the Great Depression than they did to shorten it. He also ushered in a host of changes that to this day, continue to saddle us with unsustainable debt. I support all the good government we can afford, but frankly, even today, we simply cannot afford the legacy FDR left us with. We never could, we never will, and it is to our detriment that we continue to fund extravagent programs that fail to meet their stated goals.
Last but not least, Hi back. Feel free to slap me around just like the guys. You were far too civil in this post. I loves me a good debate with or without the gloves LOL
- Longermonger
- 03-10-2011, 11:55 PM
You know the cell phone was invented in the US by Martin Cooper at Motorola.
What is a right? Is it like a left, but gay? That is the nasty question that liberals don't know don't want the answer to. J. S. Mills (a liberal) and Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. both agreed that the best definition of a right is anything you want to do except when it causes someone else inconvenience or harm.
Jesse Jr. wants to give laptops to everyone... okay, someone has to make them and to provide the raw materials. Someone has to pay for that and to take the time to process the materials. Those people have to be paid and the materials have to be purchased. If you force people to provide labor or materials then you are endorsing slavery. So you decide to take money from other people and pay for the labor and materials... This is called TAXES...16th Amendment "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society"---Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. So for Jesse Jr. and his supporters (that's you LongerMonger, stand up and take a bow) you have to support either slavery or TAXES maybe both. Jefferson had several words to say about the using the public treasury this way. He also called it theft.
So all hail slave master Jesse Junior and his thieving cohorts of crime (yes, I watched Batman in the sixties).ZAP! BIFF! BAM! POW! SPLATT! Galt is knocked out by the Justice Holmes and the Constitution itself.
I also have to point out that the constitution prohibits treating one group of people differently from others. So it is unconstitutional to give anything to "ghetto" kids but not the rest. The whole speech was inclusionary not exclusionary. Including everyone is the whole gist of the Second Bill of Rights. I think you call it socialism. That is another aspect of a right. Everyone possesses them. Originally Posted by john_galt
- john_galt
- 03-11-2011, 06:47 AM
I would nominate Corrine Brown of Florida for numbnuts. She was outraged by the ethnic cleansing going on in Freedonia (a country in a Marx Brothers movie) and condemned George Bush (the elder) for not doing something about it. Later when confronted with the truth about her stupidity she continued to mispronounce BO SI NIA until corrected by the press.
Longer would you take it easy. I can see you hyperventilating right now. That can be bad for you. By the way John Stuart Mills was a CLASSIC liberal or what is now called a conservative by some and libertarian by others. POW! Holmes said a lot of things (some of it pretty dumb) but that does not change what right is or it's limitations. You won't take my word for it so I have to trot out dead people to bolster the truth.
Longer would you take it easy. I can see you hyperventilating right now. That can be bad for you. By the way John Stuart Mills was a CLASSIC liberal or what is now called a conservative by some and libertarian by others. POW! Holmes said a lot of things (some of it pretty dumb) but that does not change what right is or it's limitations. You won't take my word for it so I have to trot out dead people to bolster the truth.
- catnipdipper
- 03-11-2011, 07:28 AM
Galt, NO CATS please in your Avatar. You demean them.
- Guest052813-01
- 03-11-2011, 11:50 AM
I knew FDR, FDR was a friend of mine. Mr. Jackson Junior, you're no FDR.Yeah, but it's still your fault...
And before Longer jumps into another rant, I never met FDR. It was a lie. But it is still a good line. It's frightening to know there are people like that in Congress, and he isn't even close to being the stupidest one. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy
- Bartman1963
- 03-11-2011, 03:50 PM
Dear conservatives and liberals....the idea of laptops for students as a means to improving their education is not new, and it is not only a liberal idea: http://www.notesys.com/Copies/Atlant...%20laptops.htm .
The idea of altering the constitution to get them to specific kids...while I don't like it
as an approach, Rep Jacksons constituents just might. And that is who he is there to serve, HIS constituents. Not you or me. If they don't like his ideas, they'll get rid of him.
Galt...while you are cherry picking Oliver Wendell Holmes why didn't you mention this little gem, from Buck v Bell "We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes." I'm just sayin, even old Oliver had his wrongheaded moments.
Oh and if you are going to try to compare Rep Jackson's speech to the idea of supporting slavery and theft...come on, that's a stretch. A big stretch. Throw in the fact that the Right Honorable Mr Jackson (am I being sarcastic?, yeah maybe a little) is a black man, and your analogy becomes positively Orwellian. By that standard we could call the Selective Service (the draft board for you younglings) a death panel.
And yeah Joe Biden mis-spoke and it's funny. But does anyone really believe that he thinks FDR's fireside chats were on TV and not radio?
Oh by the way Stacy, congratulations being "Magnus Cum Loudly". Wish I had done that. But... to say that "liberalism is truly a mental illness it can't be rationalized to a sane person", is a lie even if it's said in a flippant manner. Why is it a lie? Because it is an intentional misrepresentation of fact. Monger those IQ points are headed right back to ya.
As far as the Ipods go...that's a new one, I think Rep Jackson was up all night writing his speech and the no doze he took got to him. I don't know what that would do besides waste money.
The idea of altering the constitution to get them to specific kids...while I don't like it
as an approach, Rep Jacksons constituents just might. And that is who he is there to serve, HIS constituents. Not you or me. If they don't like his ideas, they'll get rid of him.
Galt...while you are cherry picking Oliver Wendell Holmes why didn't you mention this little gem, from Buck v Bell "We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes." I'm just sayin, even old Oliver had his wrongheaded moments.
Oh and if you are going to try to compare Rep Jackson's speech to the idea of supporting slavery and theft...come on, that's a stretch. A big stretch. Throw in the fact that the Right Honorable Mr Jackson (am I being sarcastic?, yeah maybe a little) is a black man, and your analogy becomes positively Orwellian. By that standard we could call the Selective Service (the draft board for you younglings) a death panel.
And yeah Joe Biden mis-spoke and it's funny. But does anyone really believe that he thinks FDR's fireside chats were on TV and not radio?
Oh by the way Stacy, congratulations being "Magnus Cum Loudly". Wish I had done that. But... to say that "liberalism is truly a mental illness it can't be rationalized to a sane person", is a lie even if it's said in a flippant manner. Why is it a lie? Because it is an intentional misrepresentation of fact. Monger those IQ points are headed right back to ya.
As far as the Ipods go...that's a new one, I think Rep Jackson was up all night writing his speech and the no doze he took got to him. I don't know what that would do besides waste money.
- Cheaper2buyit
- 03-11-2011, 04:52 PM
Ok this thread is giving me a headach just trying to know, who or what thease people are and have to do with day to day life.
So heres a ? For all I jack off with my right hand but my left hand gets tired from holding my cell which I use to watch porn so I all ways,finish,with,my left so as for as politics am I Right, left or center
So heres a ? For all I jack off with my right hand but my left hand gets tired from holding my cell which I use to watch porn so I all ways,finish,with,my left so as for as politics am I Right, left or center
- Cheaper2buyit
- 03-11-2011, 04:53 PM
Ok this thread is giving me a headach just trying to know, who or what thease people are and have to do with day to day life.
So heres a ? For all I jack off with my right hand but my left hand gets tired from holding my cell which I use to watch porn so I all ways,finish,with,my left so as for as politics am I Right, left or center
So heres a ? For all I jack off with my right hand but my left hand gets tired from holding my cell which I use to watch porn so I all ways,finish,with,my left so as for as politics am I Right, left or center
- Longermonger
- 03-12-2011, 04:53 PM
Longer would you take it easy. I can see imagineyou hyperventilating right now. That can be bad for you. By the way John Stuart Mills was a CLASSIC liberal So what I said was just technically true. Otherwise known as TRUE.or what is now called a conservative by someidiots and libertarian by others. POW! Boom goes the dynamite! Was that an onomatopoeia of you head exploding? Holmes said a lot of things (some of it pretty dumb which Galt omits but Bartman quotes!) but that does not change what right is or it's limitations. You won't take my word for it so I have to trot out dead people to bolster the truth. Originally Posted by john_galtCan some kind soul trot out some live people? I'd like to see a video clip of a current power player talking about rappers Snoop Poopy Pants and Enema.
- Philhelm
- 03-12-2011, 05:35 PM
Dear conservatives and liberals....the idea of laptops for students as a means to improving their education is not new, and it is not only a liberal idea: http://www.notesys.com/Copies/Atlant...%20laptops.htm .Obviously, it is better for students to have more access to computers than less, but I think it's an unfounded assumption to believe that they are necessary for basic education. Throwing money at a problem is not the solution, so long as the basic necessities are there (i.e. textbooks, paper, pencils, etc. I'd imagine most of us here did not have the Internet throughout most, if not all, of our time in school. Computers can never truly replace a good education, but sadly people become more and more reliant on them.
The idea of altering the constitution to get them to specific kids...while I don't like it
as an approach, Rep Jacksons constituents just might. And that is who he is there to serve, HIS constituents. Not you or me. If they don't like his ideas, they'll get rid of him. Originally Posted by Bartman1963
Also, receiving items that are made by another's labor is not a right. Furthermore, there is no right to have an Ipod. In fact, there is no right to receive an education (although, there is a right to pursue one). It would be obscene to have any sort of Constitutional amendment for something like that. "The right of the people, of minority age, to receive and maintain an Ipod, shall not be infringed." On the other hand, it would be better than Prohibition.
Oh and if you are going to try to compare Rep Jackson's speech to the idea of supporting slavery and theft...come on, that's a stretch. A big stretch. Throw in the fact that the Right Honorable Mr Jackson (am I being sarcastic?, yeah maybe a little) is a black man, and your analogy becomes positively Orwellian. By that standard we could call the Selective Service (the draft board for you younglings) a death panel. Originally Posted by Bartman1963Some people believe that taxation is an inherent form of slavery and theft. Keeping things simple (ignoring other forms of taxation, inflation, or deductions), if I were to be in the 25% federal income tax bracket, it would mean that I would be working three months of every year just to pay the federal government. People can talk about roads, schools, police, etc., but it is a fact that the government uses coercion in order to take the wealth of its citizenry. It is not voluntary, and if I refuse to pay, they may arrest me; as an individual organism, if I refuse to be caged, they will kill me. Every law ultimately has the threat of physical force looming in the background, whether the law is just or not.
If students are to receive laptops for "free," somone along the line will have labored without compensation (i.e. slavery). Either the person who produced the item, or the person who paid the taxes to supply it. Not a voluntary transaction at all, no matter how good or justified the intent. Sometimes slavery can appear pretty, but it is slavery all the same.
I don't understand how Jackson's race is relevant, other than for emotional appeal. Also, I would consider the draft to be a form of involuntary servitude.
And yeah Joe Biden mis-spoke and it's funny. But does anyone really believe that he thinks FDR's fireside chats were on TV and not radio? Originally Posted by Bartman1963It is funny, but no.
Oh by the way Stacy, congratulations being "Magnus Cum Loudly". Wish I had done that. But... to say that "liberalism is truly a mental illness it can't be rationalized to a sane person", is a lie even if it's said in a flippant manner. Why is it a lie? Because it is an intentional misrepresentation of fact. Monger those IQ points are headed right back to ya. Originally Posted by Bartman1963It's not a mental illness, but many of them are ignorant or immoral (including most conservatives as well). Most liberals and conservatives are simply statists and collectivists. They wish to use representation in order to effectively direct the gun barrels of government force onto others, in order to dictate how they live. Pure democracy is a mean bitch when you're the minority, and unfortunately, the ideas of democracy have been festering in this nation since its inception.
As far as the Ipods go...that's a new one, I think Rep Jackson was up all night writing his speech and the no doze he took got to him. I don't know what that would do besides waste money. Originally Posted by Bartman1963I remember having to write research papers while both tired and while consuming alcohol. Even then, such nonsense wouldn't have crossed my mind. The man is simply a fool.