Compensation for Drivng Time

Ok let's consider the drive time as a service call. In the A/C business or towing business when you place a call for their services. They charge you a portion of the fee that will cover their expenses to get to you. It covers the use of their equipment, gas and time. They don't charge you the whole fee again nor double bill. The customer would shit a brick if they did and they would lose business. In the escort business and in this particular situation. They want a 2 hour min rate. In this arrangement it would have called for a room at clients expense, 2 hourly rates at 300, which is a total some where in the 700-750 range. So I really don't know to many guys willing to pay for 2 hours at 1 hour play time. It's just not practical nor economical and both parties lose and part ways.

Also am I wrong to say Shreveport is NOT the same market as Houston or Dallas? I mean here locally the price is 250-300. When a visiting lady comes to town those rates go to 325-450. So then it like everybody has a rate increase. It's like your forever chasing your money and it doesn't work. Not with women nor gamblin... Never chase your money!!

Now on that note:

After seeing kiki2012 pictures I already see one of my weakness.[/QUOTE]

I'm probably in TIME OUT and may never get to touch another titty again in the hobby. I would like to say Thank You to those of you that expressed your opinion. This thread has 354 hits at the time of this posting. So that tells me it is something of interest to us all. There is nothing more to really discuss on this thread. We all pretty well have our minds made up as to what we will pay for and the lady's will hold fast to what they charge. If it will it will and if It won't it won't. I do again apologize for my vulgar mouth in the beginning of this thread.

If a lady is willing to travel to meet someone, it is more than worth it to pay a little more. In my opinion time is money.

I want to give my opinion on this also. I live in South Alabama and frequently travel either two hours south to Panama City or two hours North to Montgomery Alabama at never have I ever charged a fee. It is up to the provider whether or not she wants to travel if it's not feasible for her then she should not do it I'm assuming that most providers tried to book a couple appointments if they're going to travel that far and therefore it would make up for the trip charge. I do agree with drinking and dreaming that your time begins when you get to the hotel room or the agreed-upon location. But there are exceptions to every rule I've never been a clock watcher and rarely charged for more than the 90-minute visit even though I have had 90 minute visits go well into three to four hours and there was never an offer of more compensation. I look at it as if we are both having a good time and it goes past the agreed-upon time who the hell wants to stop a good time just because the agreed upon time has ran out. I would never charge a travel fee. That is just my opinion ....
PS. I will be in Shreveport all week this week!!

Sorry..I meant to say DRINKINDREAMIN but I'm doing talk to text sorry

When I was trying to set my donation and figure my reasonable expectation for an outcall, I had to really stop and put things in perspective for both sides. I didn't want this to be all about the $$$ but I also didn't want to work for little of nothing.

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the actual expenses the providers incure to maintain their look, keep outfits fresh and not repetitive every time you see them, being able to put something back to retire, and maintaining an OH SHIT FUND for emergencies should they ever arise. For those of us who actually file our taxes, keep in mind we are hit with higher self employment taxes than someone working a 9-5.

Just for argument sake and to keep the math simpler...let's say a gal does 10 sessions a week working 5 days. At $$ a session it sounds like a lot. However, if she is using hotels at an average of 80 a night, there's 400 For rooms. Then she has had to get there...40 a week as a guess. If she gets her nails and toes done that another 100 every two weeks. Hair cut, color, weaves if they get them (average out for me at around 350 a month). Then there are supplies to havr the sessions. Breaking them down per unit and per use...about 25 per week. Then the taxes on that total...375 self employment tax. My makeup bill alone is over a 1000 every six months.

So we have 970 right there. Lets not forget internet fees to be able to be online, phone fees to take calls, insurance on the car and up keep. We've already eaten up over half the donations and she hasn't even began to out anything back for retirement, paid her rent/mortgage and bills, or provided for her kids if she has any.

I know a lot of the gals have higher donations and see more clients. I also know all of my expense figures are very very low. It wasnt supposee to be exact. It was more an eye opener for those who havent yhought about it.

The guys want the gals to look good and the gals want the guys to understand that isn't always cheap. I get not wanting to pay an extra hour for travel. That's why I set a minimum number of hours based on how far I'm traveling.

I agree anything under 30-45 minutes is part of owning our own business. However, when guys ask a gal to travel and don't want to pay a travel fee, don't haggle over minimum hours and definitely not over the donation. Heck offer to split the hotel room with her or help with fuel if you know she is driving to just see you. Little things like that mean a lot to us.

Sarah,
Thanks for your reply. In this particular situation. The lady or her agency wanted to charge an hourly rate plus that same rate for driving 1 hour which I refuse to pay. I offered to buy the room plus the hourly rate with the possibility of a tip. As that I also have to drive an hour to meet her as well. I thought that was a reasonable compromise, she did not agree nor respond to my request. The lady in question has advertised in the Shreveport section for next week. After this... she has lost me as a client for now and forever. So I fail to see the win win situation, when providers justify the "yeah your going to pay me for my time mentality or the money grab" when she lost a client and we will never meet. She's lost that future income. Possibly I could have been a regular, but we ruined that potential over $300 when she could have possibly seen me 3 times for 900. She's a beautiful girl and I'm sure she wont have any problem filling the appointment. I guess its the principle for me.

Now as far as expenses you mentioned. I have expenses too when I go to work. I have fuel expenses, I have expenses on my vehicle from the daily drive,I have uniform and boot expenses, I have eating expenses, I have license and registration fees. Now if I went to my employer and told him I needed a 900$ raise to cover these expenses because I couldn't save for my retirement because I was paying too much out of pocket for my daily uniforms and expenses. He would probably tell why don't you just stay at home tomorrow. You can look for other employment to cover those expense and your retirement. The rest of us take care of our expenses out of what we make and we cant up charge or ask for more because we worked through lunch.

The point is, that IS our business so as a business Owner, not an employee, we have to account for the overhead and all expenses.

You missed the point entirely...we are the boss of our businesses. So I guess if I need to make extra this month, I can call you and you will give me the over time I need to make up the difference? (You're going to insert a profound "Hell No. Don't call me. I'll call you if I want services." Here, as would all of our clients. It's unprofessional for us to call basically begging you to book.

Here's another point you miss....we are taking a chance every time we go to work of gaining silver bracelets. There is also the risk to our personal safety we take meeting new clients. This is a high risk field of work. All areas of high risk come with greater pay and rewards. It is why people get into high risk jobs, the financial is supposed to be better.

You can justify thing however you want. Getting on here and running someone down because you don't like or agree with their business practices is juvenile at best. Just move along and find someone who doesn't do those things. We are all different. It shouldn't be that hard to find someone to fit your needs. If so, then may I suggest a bottle of Gun Oil Lube and A Gigi pocket pussy? Closest thing to the real thing you will every find and it won't charge you travel expenses.

In this particular situation. I don't see what the over head was? I offered to pay for the room, the gas and the hourly rate. I think as gentlemen we understand the expenses of the cost of doing business however what we don't understand is when you want our right kidney. All of you can run your "business any damn way you want to." As I read one time... " I'm running this job and I'll run it any damn way I want." You can have that mentality. However men love their money just as much as they love strange pussy. Let me tell you we all struggle with the exchange and most of us have a limit as to what we are willing to spend regardless of your expenses. You better be pretty damn awesome and I better walk funny afterwards if you want it ALL!

I am going to jump in here and say that I think this is a subject that is like "why doesn't she see AA?", or "why is she CBJ?, or "why is she Limited GFE and not Full GFE?". There isn't an answer that will make everyone happy and solve the problem.

Some ladies charge reasonable outcall rates and others charge outrageous outcall rates. I would have to read back to a previous comment by myself earlier in this thread but I think I illuded to a Playmate out of Dallas who wanted to charge me $200 on top of her normal incall rate of $300. I felt that was too much. So to me, that was outrageous. Some other guy would feel that was acceptable. Am I cheap? No, I feel I probably spend more per hour on here than the average guy. You can look at my reviews to determine that. That is also subjective.

There isn't a win/win answer to the OPs opening comment or statement. Each individual hobbiest has what they feel is a comfortable amount to spend on a desirable product. Each Playmate has what she feels she needs to give up that desirable product. The key is to find those matches that work.

Ok. Well as someone who Drives for a living, my money don't start till I get to the stops to unload or offload that product. And it can range from 100 miles till 1st stop, to 20 miles to first stop. So to me, that's when my money starts. So it's hard for me to say what should or shouldn't be fair, but I don't see 100-200 travel expenses! Or someone traveling 2hr one way for 1 appt. But if their willing to pay the extra then that's good for her. Me, maybe 20 extra for local, but then again it's hard since I do drive for a living. To me if she wants the $ then she should come to me and make it, like I do in my RW life and job. But that's just my 2 cents.

You missed the point entirely...we are the boss of our businesses. So I guess if I need to make extra this month, I can call you and you will give me the over time I need to make up the difference? (You're going to insert a profound "Hell No. Don't call me. I'll call you if I want services." Here, as would all of our clients. It's unprofessional for us to call basically begging you to book.

Here's another point you miss....we are taking a chance every time we go to work of gaining silver bracelets. There is also the risk to our personal safety we take meeting new clients. This is a high risk field of work. All areas of high risk come with greater pay and rewards. It is why people get into high risk jobs, the financial is supposed to be better.

You can justify thing however you want. Getting on here and running someone down because you don't like or agree with their business practices is juvenile at best. Just move along and find someone who doesn't do those things. We are all different. It shouldn't be that hard to find someone to fit your needs. If so, then may I suggest a bottle of Gun Oil Lube and A Gigi pocket pussy? Closest thing to the real thing you will every find and it won't charge you travel expenses. Originally Posted by Sarah Renee

Yes I suppose I missed your point Sarah. I cant say I run anybody down however I did question some questionable practices. I've seen more catty shit out of providers today than any client could have ever gotten away with. So carry on lil sister you run that job anyway you want to! I already have a fleshlight that sumbitch is awesome!! I'd suggest you getting your clients one. I tremble and shake when I'm done with it. When I get ready to use it, its not a damn negotiation.

Simple misunderstanding on the wording can jackup a conversation.

Don't think I charge like that. I'm just asking that you try to see the other side..Go to www.sarah-renee.com. you will see my donations are no where near that.

I must have missed where she wanted to charge 300 an hour plus an hour travel plus fuel plus room..that is just nuts on any level. Holy crap....where do I find guys like That? I get tickled when they book the minimum two hours and the 50 For fuel when I drive 3 hours. Of course I also run other businesses and only do this for fun.

I have never had a guy leave the room that wasn't wabbling...tell me this...Have you experienced an orgasm without ejaculation? 99.9% of guys haven't and most women don't even know what it is or how to do it.