And the band played on.....

All belly, no bite, bully. Just another noise maker that gets their 2 months of fame and then fades.

Trust me no one is afraid of Christie. Originally Posted by catnipdipper

Cat come on now, the truth is Christie would beat The President in 2012, he has done a lot of good things in New Jersey. However he has some skeletons, his wife has relatives who are members of the New Jersey mob and I believe with the Genovesse family in NY. He lived pretty high on the hog as the Attorney General, but that can be said about all of them.

You know you left yourself wide open (no pun intended) on that one . . . LMAO. Originally Posted by jackie@sintropolis

Except you ladies leave us with HE's... politicians generally don't...

You just like to troll and take lil swipes when you can Deacon, like a few others. Originally Posted by MsElena

Ouch, Elena! but... but... my only contributions come in lil swipes... (BTW, I love the troll!)

...I spit out my drink when i saw that pic of the troll!!!! Originally Posted by Thequeen

Good thing you have plenty of Coke! (BTW, did I already say I love the troll?

All belly, no bite, bully. Just another noise maker that gets their 2 months of fame and then fades.

Trust me no one is afraid of Christie. Originally Posted by catnipdipper

"Really???? Just ask the teacher's union in New Jersey. They may have a difference of opinion.

The reality of the Republican political possibilities is such that over time deviant behavior loses it's ability to shock. So they begin to grasp desperately at straws i.e. Bachmann, Trump, and Christie.

Every one of these folks will cut taxes on the wealthy, break a union, and create more jobs and give you the training you need to ask if you want fries with that.

Follow them and you will widen the current gap in wealth and success. I bet some of the bank bonuses about to be paid out will measure 10 x your annual earnings and along with Wall Street they still don't think it was their fault and bitch about any socialist attempt to actually make them accountable.

The original Tea Party fiscal side had some good issues and then got hijacked by the social side so they could create new laws(of course it is smaller government) to make sure you don't abort, come here and work illegally and for sure produce your birth certificate to vote. Makes me feel secure how about you?

You vote for people out of fear and you should be careful what you wish for as you might get it someday.

The most viable candidate you have is Gov Mitch Daniels of Ind. You/they will never let him pass the litmus test of stupid ideas he doesn't want to embrace and would be lucky to get a cabinet post but likely the right wing won't let him have one of those either.

Trump is thinking 3rd party. Nominate me or I will run on my own. Please if there is a higher being let it occur oh please please please.

Bullying, mean, tough talking sound bites don't do shit for most of us.

create new laws(of course it is smaller government)....come here and work illegally and for sure produce your birth certificate to vote. Originally Posted by catnipdipper

Did you mean "legally"? Do you have a problem with people being here legally vs illegally? As a society, we don't tolerate illegal rape, illegal murder, illegal theft, but we accept illegal immigratiom because thos people are VOTERS!? Why?

Do you have a problem with validating one is actually a citizen and eligible to vote?

Fucking fear based mongering on a minor issue. What 9 cases in Kansas but we need to humor Kobach so he can get a paycheck with benefits paid for by the way?

So much fear is being sold out there I am surprised some people manage to get up every day but then I guess when you're "packing a big one" you feel better about it.

Life is not War and it is not something to live in fear of.

Getting very very tired of the right wing pandering fear mongering scare tactics.

You forget what our Country is really about and why it was established. It is not the Democrats that I fear it is the people that are made to fear by the Republican demagogues.

The reality of the Republican political possibilities is such that over time deviant behavior loses it's ability to shock. So they begin to grasp desperately at straws i.e. Bachmann, Trump, and Christie.

Just look at Obama's deviant behavior.

Every one of these folks will cut taxes on the wealthy, break a union, and create more jobs and give you the training you need to ask if you want fries with that.



Follow them and you will widen the current gap in wealth and success. I bet some of the bank bonuses about to be paid out will measure 10 x your annual earnings and along with Wall Street they still don't think it was their fault and bitch about any socialist attempt to actually make them accountable.

Or they would make way for the freedom to allow people to gain success by removing obstacles towards that success in the form of lowering taxes, removing regulations and getting the government out of the way. I believe Obama has widened the gap in wealth and success more than any other president in history - can someone say 9.5% unemployment (reported - the actual is closer to 18%).

The original Tea Party fiscal side had some good issues and then got hijacked by the social side so they could create new laws(of course it is smaller government) to make sure you don't abort, come here and work illegally and for sure produce your birth certificate to vote. Makes me feel secure how about you?

+1 on all those social ideas. Don't forget to include no gay marriage, don't ask don't tell, and no legalization of illicit pharmaceutcals)

You vote for people out of fear and you should be careful what you wish for as you might get it someday.

Damn right. I'm afraid what Obama will do with another 4 years or what his lapdogs in Congress will do if they get back into power.

The most viable candidate you have is Gov Mitch Daniels of Ind. You/they will never let him pass the litmus test of stupid ideas he doesn't want to embrace and would be lucky to get a cabinet post but likely the right wing won't let him have one of those either.

Daniels has no chance. I agree with you on this one.

Trump is thinking 3rd party. Nominate me or I will run on my own. Please if there is a higher being let it occur oh please please please.

Can anyone say "Ross Perot"? This would ensure Obama's election.

Bullying, mean, tough talking sound bites don't do shit for most of us.

It does if you have the balls to follow through. The problem is, once they get the office, they become neutered.
Originally Posted by catnipdipper

Catnipdipper,

So instead of answering my questions, you decided to call me "stupid' for asking them? Why are you so bitter?

I don't want to put words in your mouth or attempt to state your position, but why would you object to certifying your or anyone's citizenship to vote?

And why would you object to all employees of all businesses be legal citizens, have social security numbers and pay taxes?

I share some of the same fears as you, but I fear both parties equally.

You forget what our Country is really about and why it was established. It is not the Democrats that I fear it is the people that are made to fear by the Republican demagogues. Originally Posted by catnipdipper

I think you forgot what our Country is really about. Freedom. Freedom from taxation. Freedom from tyranny. Freedom from a government that ignores the wishes of the people. Do Obama and the Democrats do that? Does anyone remember Obamacare? His plan to increase taxes that he'll speak on tonight? The fact he told a group of schoolkids that he wishes he could just do what he wanted and not have to deal with Congress? Sounds like freedom to me....

I don't having a driver's license but I will be fucked if I have to carry a government issued I.D. I will not support NAZI ideas.

You need to get realistic on immigration. Take a look at Utah for an example it is realistic what they are proposing to do there and it recognizes the need for the labor as the hidden truth.

You vote for Republicans right wingers and you are voting yourself to permanent Serfdom and servitude to the Corporations as a substitute for the Government. They are feeding you this pap under the guise of freedom and yet they fear your ability to organize and negotiate with them so they destroy that mechanism.

Oh I don't know but I have started and run a few businesses in my lifetime and to date if I studied and kept up with what the rules were I ended up doing quite nicely thank you.

It is ok to wet your beak but you are not allowed to take it all.

I don't having a driver's license but I will be fucked if I have to carry a government issued I.D. I will not support NAZI ideas.

You need to get realistic on immigration. Take a look at Utah for an example it is realistic what they are proposing to do there and it recognizes the need for the labor as the hidden truth.

You vote for Republicans right wingers and you are voting yourself to permanent Serfdom and servitude to the Corporations as a substitute for the Government. They are feeding you this pap under the guise of freedom and yet they fear your ability to organize and negotiate with them so they destroy that mechanism.

Oh I don't know but I have started and run a few businesses in my lifetime and to date if I studied and kept up with what the rules were I ended up doing quite nicely thank you.

It is ok to wet your beak but you are not allowed to take it all. Originally Posted by catnipdipper

I can agree with some of that because so many people are followers and aren't active and informed enough to object. It is too easy not to care, so to speak.

I don't support a government issued ID at this point, but am open to other options.

Although I am a republican, I despise right-wing wackos, and stand firmly as a moderate!

honest ones are out there. the governor of new jersy is one of them. and if any party was hijacked its the domocratic party. Originally Posted by deacon

You are right!

It is also correct to state that the Republican Party has been hijacked in the state of Kansas. The right winger (read that as the religious nuts) took over the local Republican meetings, put there own people up, and dominated the party in a rapid set of planned actions.

Not many people attend the local meetings. Thus, a few people who plan their actions become politically dominate. A lot of good people have left the party in Kansas because of this. How soon we forget; remember the Kansas School Board thing a couple of years ago.

It only takes a few people to make themselves look like many. In a meeting of 200 to 300 people. 4 or 5 people placed around the room that stand and make the same point begin to look like the majority, and they begin to influence a lot of other people.

Not enough people think for themselves; they are influenced by the thoughts and actions of others.

JR

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You vote for Republicans right wingers and you are voting yourself to permanent Serfdom and servitude to the Corporations.....

Oh I don't know but I have started and run a few businesses in my lifetime and..... Originally Posted by catnipdipper

Where did this come from? Republicans, servitude to Corporations? Sounds like a Damn Democrat line from the Idiot FDR. (The fireside chats did not stop the great depression, and neither did very many of his programs, but he gave the Democrats the antibusiness propaganda line.) Take a couple of courses in Economic History, and then come back to class in a year or two after reading about 70 books on the subject. I have, and you are all wet.

Don't get me started Mr. fake businessman; it is the corporations that make the jobs in this country, and about 85% of the jobs are created by what is defined as small business.

JR

Getting very very tired of the right wing pandering fear mongering scare tactics. Originally Posted by catnipdipper

The right wing doesn't have a corner on the market of fear mongering. What about the BS that Republicans want women to die? Want seniors to eat dog food? Want to make sure poor people are denied health care?

Even Nancy Pelosi said that elections shouldn't have as much influence as they do.

Both parties scare me.

If you think that the Democrats have your best interest at heart, you really need professional help. Same if you think that way about Republicans. Jesse Ventura said it best, if you want to change the country, quit voting for Republicans or Democrats.

You are right, if we keep supporting Republicans we will all become serfs to the corporations. However, if we keep supporting the Democrats, we will all become serfs to the government.

I say, support neither, and support liberty!

Why would I read 70 books mostly by consultants or otherwise unemployable experts to try to disavow the success that I already physically and fiscally accomplished?

Let it be.