A thread for the Paterno haters .....and liars. Have at it Bitchs!

The Paterno "Situation" is WTF's defining issue. He's open and contributed to many more threads than any other issue in his history both here and at ASPD .

What's up? Time to go to confession WTF. I don't believe the whole overwrought "innocent until proven guilty" angle. Originally Posted by gnadfly

I've read this and tried to understand it several times, but it beats any attempt at comprehension. WTF are you saying? Try to use a bit of grammar, or read it before you hit the button.

He's open.

WTF? You mean he's gay? Or a good host? Or has a voluminous ass hole? Please explain.

contributed to many more threads

moe than what? more than anybody else? More than you?

than any other issue

you mean he has contributed to more threads on this issue than any other issue, or that he has contributed to more threads than he has contribued to?

No, still don;t get it.

I've read this and tried to understand it several times, but it beats any attempt at comprehension. WTF are you saying? Try to use a bit of grammar, or read it before you hit the button.

He's open.

WTF? You mean he's gay? Or a good host? Or has a voluminous ass hole? Please explain.

contributed to many more threads

moe than what? more than anybody else? More than you?

than any other issue

you mean he has contributed to more threads on this issue than any other issue, or that he has contributed to more threads than he has contribued to?

No, still don;t get it. Originally Posted by essence

Let me rephrase the sentence that's likely causing the confusion.

WTF has opened up more threads on the Paterno Situation than any other subject in his posting history, both here at eccie and ASPD. He has also contributed more posts to this subject.

Right, I still don't get it either. Time for him to go to confession. He isn't a Penn State alum. I don't buy the "innocent until proven guilty" angle. Its just weird.

Let me rephrase the sentence that's likely causing the confusion.

Thank you

WTF has opened up more threads on the Paterno Situation than any other subject in his posting history, both here at eccie and ASPD. He has also contributed more posts to this subject.

Have you done the research.

Please share the results.

Or are these just your beliefs?

Right, I still don't get it either. Time for him to go to confession. He isn't a Penn State alum. I don't buy the "innocent until proven guilty" angle. Its just weird. Originally Posted by gnadfly

What don't you get?

Why you have a misguided perception on my posting history?

I am not trying to sell you anything gnadfly.

You think it is weird. Ok. That is your right. I think you are just either trying to be cute and failing or you are weird.

It is my general nature to dig into subjects and try and see all sides.

I think that is what a right leaning fellow like yourself finds weird. That is not your kinds nature. You are herd mentality creatures. I get that. When you start understanding yourself as well as other you will find fewer things weird.

Come away from the herd and enjoy the world, it is not perfect but all in all a beautiful place if you will just open up your mind to the possibility that there are more than one angle to stories.

It is my general nature to dig into subjects and try and see all sides. Originally Posted by WTF

I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny!!!

Repeating a lie again and again is one of the oldest tricks, and only reflects on the liar. Originally Posted by essence

Exactly.

**McQueary said he censored what he told JoePa, to the extent that it may have confused him as to what McQueary was even saying.

**Sandusky wasn't part of Joe's staff, hadn't been for quite a few years.




"As for the JoePa covered it up for years because how could you be that close to someone and not know!"

Well, my uncle was arrested for molesting his 10 year-old step daughter about 10-12 years ago. Turns out that quite a few other girls came forward (including cousins) to tell the same story. Did any of the family ever even think he was doing anything so heinous? No, because we were TOO close to him. It was easy to see his attention for his step daughter as love and affection, but thinking about it now I wonder if we might have missed so many warning signs that could have ended this so much sooner.



What Sandusky is alleged to have done is vile, evil, and twisted. The lives of those boys are forever shattered because of what a man that they trusted did to them.

Joe Paterno is a FOOTBALL COACH not a COP.

He told the proper authorities.

If the proper authorities did not do THEIR job, I would be pissed at them. Not some 80 year old FOOTBALL COACH that was told a watered down version of what went on and then reported it to his BOSS.

God Damn, I wish just one of you could tell the story correctly. We may still disagree but at least we disagree after having the correct facts.

Do you let you kids do overnights with coach"s. I sure the fuc wouldn't. Originally Posted by WTF

Overnights with coach's also seems to be about x' and o's but an overnight at Neverland Ranch, now that's an unforgettable overnight.

I don't care who you are, THAT'S funny!!! Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

cutiepie, I have looked at you from many angles, that is why I put up with your confused posts. You think like a Libertiarn until you come to your pet projects , then you think like a Liberal.

Once I figured that out, you became easy and harmless and predictable.

Although I don't believe that Paterno was completely innocent of the situation and was complacent in many ways ... he did seem to be the fall guy that everyone blamed to keep blame away from themselves.

Also, from a personal perspective and feel free to clobber me for it if you wish, there is a tendency when hearing something so vile and so contemptible and quite frankly, horrific, to not really accept the news as being real.

It would be the first time that someone passed the buck onto others with the expectation that they would deal with it and the person involved could just put it in the back of his mind and try to forget it.

Excusable? Not in the least. But it's a human condition.

The whole situation is disgusting. Coverups. Very perverse and evil behavior. Lots of mistakes everywhere.

When he died, I did feel a little sorry that this cloud was over him and his family. But not too sorry.

As the poster above stated, and my heart goes out to him, when you're right smack in the middle of a situation the situation is perceived differently at the time.

It's so easy for us to be judgmental and very damning when we're seeing things from the outside looking in. Also, after the fact. Probably none of us know the actual truth. Except those children were sexually assaulted and abused in the worst way.

+1 EW

This goes for McQueary, Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (attributed to Edmund Burke)

Although I don't believe that Paterno was completely innocent of the situation and was complacent in many ways ... he did seem to be the fall guy that everyone blamed to keep blame away from themselves. - Whether he wanted it or not, Joe Paterno was Penn State. You did not mention one without the other. His presence was more than football, he was Penn State in most people's eyes. Thus, attacks on him are really just attacks on Penn State. Hard to attack an institution, we need a living, breathing body to attack. (with truly no pun intended since his death, just a figure of speech.)

Also, from a personal perspective and feel free to clobber me for it if you wish, there is a tendency when hearing something so vile and so contemptible and quite frankly, horrific, to not really accept the news as being real.

It would be the first time that someone passed the buck onto others with the expectation that they would deal with it and the person involved could just put it in the back of his mind and try to forget it.

Excusable? Not in the least. But it's a human condition.

The whole situation is disgusting. Coverups. Very perverse and evil behavior. Lots of mistakes everywhere.

When he died, I did feel a little sorry that this cloud was over him and his family. But not too sorry.

As the poster above stated, and my heart goes out to him, when you're right smack in the middle of a situation the situation is perceived differently at the time. - This is why we expect our leaders, be they political, sports, religious, to know what to do and to do the right thing. When you reach a position of authority, control, and respect earned over the years, society expects you to know & do the right thing. If Joe Paterno, the president, the Pope, all of these leaders can't figure out what the right thing morally to do is, how can we expect the average person (I have to avoid the average Joe or Joe Q. Public) to do the right thing.

It's so easy for us to be judgmental and very damning when we're seeing things from the outside looking in. Also, after the fact. Probably none of us know the actual truth. Except those children were sexually assaulted and abused in the worst way. Originally Posted by ElisabethWhispers

E, I agree with what you say. Remembering I am an engineer by training without any social skills, I just wanted to add my perspective.

I think we are all outraged that this could occur in this century, with all of our enlightment and social awareness. If this could happen right under our noses, what other disgraces lurk out there to be discovered. We must strike out at such evil, we must show our disgust, less our hands be dirtied by this evil. Joe Paterno just gave us a symbol to strike at, a head to put on a stick and throw our cyber tomatoes at, thus making us feel less soiled. See, we stood up for good, and against evil.

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

This goes for McQueary, Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (attributed to Edmund Burke) Originally Posted by chicagoboy

McQueary & Paterno did do something. They reported to their higher ups. Nobody is arguing that they wish they had done more but it is a lie to say they did nothing.

I am doing my part against evil in this thread. I am not standing by and letting the truth be trampled by one's mistaken beliefs.

See , we can turn those cute little sayings around.

We all have the capacity for evil. You are doing it by misstating the truth.
The herd mentality can be the evilest of all. It absolves you of responsibility.

I am trying to turn you haters away from the gates of hell.

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

Okay, McQueary and Paterno did something - they passed the buck.

Okay, McQueary and Paterno did something - they passed the buck. Originally Posted by chicagoboy

The lie is again repeated, they did not pass the buck, they reported it to the proper authorities.

Lies, lies again, and yet more lies.

At least this thread is helping me discover who the liars are on Eccie.

My only worry is that from these biased statistics, well over 50% of eccie members are liars.