so lets say a cop got past my screening...

What if a provider relies solely on p411 or another similar service? Does that provide adequate screening? Originally Posted by riskyr

No, because LE has been/could be on P411.

If a lady relies solely on one way of screening, she's a fool. I don't care if the gent has 40 OK's on P411, not only am I going to contact some of his OK's, but I'm going screen him out myself in other ways.

Interesting comment by Missy Mariposa regarding bondsmen not touching solicitation

First off, I'm not questioning that thought...as I have no direct knowledge, and she probably does. (No disrespect intended)

But you would think, with a little interviewing ahead of time...not the moment of crisis..that a bondsmen could be had. Originally Posted by vkmaster

Absolutely - but I'm willing to wager that not every provider thinks ahead and interviews bondsmen to make sure they're provider friendly.

That being said, I've not needed to find this out first hand (knock on wood) but from what I've heard from other providers is that the bondsmen won't touch us (no pun intended). As such, I've always just kept a legal fund set aside. I'd rather do that than owe money/pay interest anyway.

Absolutely - but I'm willing to wager that not every provider thinks ahead and interviews bondsmen to make sure they're provider friendly.

That being said, I've not needed to find this out first hand (knock on wood) but from what I've heard from other providers is that the bondsmen won't touch us (no pun intended). As such, I've always just kept a legal fund set aside. I'd rather do that than owe money/pay interest anyway. Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

I totally understand what your saying
thats why I take extra care of a A few of my regulars that are bondsman... It comes in
handy so the thinking ahead is a great idea but I cant imagine a bondsmen not wanting to touch it.... I didnt know
that they wouldnt... I thought the only thing they wouldnt touch is a failure to appear or something... lol

Maybe I should become a bondsman strictly for you ladies!!! Can I just trade for services??? (J/K)

Maybe this should be a separate thread, but I'm curious. If I've seen someone multiple times should I always assume that she is not LE? Of asked another way, could a provider be persuaded by LE to work with them to bust people?

Learn how to play "spades".

Maybe this should be a separate thread, but I'm curious. If I've seen someone multiple times should I always assume that she is not LE? Of asked another way, could a provider be persuaded by LE to work with them to bust people? Originally Posted by love2fishfork

Sure, but so could a hobbyist.

No offense but you have a very utopian view of how things work, in the real world, once they walk into the room, regardless of whats said you are going to jail, LEO does not care if they get the conviction they just want the arrest, its the arrest or fear of it that gets the cooperating. Originally Posted by dirty dog

I wouldn't say it's uptopian, but the correct part is there is a difference between arrest and conviction. They can arrest you no matter what, if you say, "You can't arrest me, I didn't anything, now get out" and go to show them the door, then you might be RESISTING arrest, which is also a crime.

However, the previous post is right in that they will usually try to get you to commit to a "sex act" or something else in the statute in exchange for value... and that means ROSES or whatever word you want to use, any value exchanged for the the anticipation of services (I'm not quoting the statute).

The most important educational point (cuz all this is educational ), SAY NOTHING, when they reveal themselves except, "I want a lawyer." Then SHUT UP. Don't make excuses, don't say "that's not my purse" don't say a word. ANYthing you say can and will be used against you... and makes a prosecutors job easier, which increases the chance the charges (if you are charged, again...another process) will NOT be dropped.

Sidenote: Miranda is only a requirement if the police want to ask YOU questions and use it as evidence against you for the arrestable offense... maybe. Miranda is NOT a requirement should YOU talk and its not a requirement if they just want info they can use for something else. They have to inform you of your right to remain silent before they can question you formally or informally...maybe. If you waive that right by a big mouth, all bets are off.

so... to review, when a LEO is revealed, SHUT UP, except to invoke your right to an attorney...

of course... if you put that disclaimer on your ad, you know the one about this being a contract, and you agree you aren't a LEO by calling, you're safe from everything... BWAAHHAHAHA (that's a sarcasm alert )

Happy Providing!

The first bondsmen that I ever asked said that yes he would work with me...maybe it helped that we had just finished a date.

Interesting comment by Missy Mariposa regarding bondsmen not touching solicitation

First off, I'm not questioning that thought...as I have no direct knowledge, and she probably does. (No disrespect intended)

But you would think, with a little interviewing ahead of time...not the moment of crisis..that a bondsmen could be had.

I understand it is all about flight risk. But perhaps by being pro-active and talking to one ahead of time, and that occasional phone call couple times of year might avoid this problem??? Again, not questioning Missy's post...just throwing that out there.

Obvious best solution is to not have to rely on bondsmen, at all. But I guess it would have to be a case by case situation, to determine how realistic an individual could make that happen

Sometimes a person finds out a friend, is not as friendly or available if it's middle of night or on a Sunday afternoon...where if a bond is not placed soon...ur going to have a "hearty" Monday morning breakfast on the county Originally Posted by vkmaster

The first bondsmen that I ever asked said that yes he would work with me...maybe it helped that we had just finished a date. Originally Posted by Ari816

Was that first bondsman or first bondageman?

Guys. It's not rocket science. It comes down to this. If they want you, they'll get you. Period. Nothing you, me or anyone else can do to stop it. The key is to not make them want YOU.

For the most part, they are not going to go to the effort to go run a sting to catch ONE person, unless they think that person is involved with something else that they can get more charges. Usually, unless it falls in their laps, they prefer to run stings and get more than one person at a time in a setting where they can control the environment. We all read about them (and watch on TV) where they set up shop in hotels (although they could just as easily use an apartment or a house if they have access to one). But hotels are usually the easiest logistically. They can have audio & video surveillance and insure that their officers are safe. They REALLY don't want to send in an officer to an incall location behind locked doors where they have no idea what's on the other side of the door. A crackheaded pimp? Guns? Kids? Too many variables can go wrong, too much effort, too many necessary resources and too risky for a misdemeanor charge. Again, if they think/know there's something else going on, that doesn't mean they WON'T. But they're like everyone else, they want to get the most return with the least effort. And with all the posts on BP and elsewhere, the pickings are pretty easy.

Again, if there's an agency involved, questions on other illegal activities involved or if they REALLY want the individual, they might pull out all the stops and go for it.

BUT, that's not to say they can't seriously make your life difficult without busting you. If you use a set incall location, they could simply send a plain clothed officer to talk to the management of wherever you're staying, be it a hotel, apartment or house. They could show up at your normal place of employment "to ask a few questions". For us guys, they could simply roll up at dinnertime to do the same. Again, no arrests, no investigations, but make no mistake, they could still make your life MISERABLE. Without one charge being filed, it's possible with enough "questions" to get you evicted, lose your job and a divorce.

Which brings me back to the original statement, which is that the key is to not make them want YOU! Much easier for the guys than the gals. But still possible either way.

could a provider be persuaded by LE to work with them to bust people?

Yes, of course.

However, there is no need for them to use a real provider. Clients will come in droves, dick in one hand and a fistful of dollars in the other, to any old "hey guys, I'm a 20 yr old blonde ready for anything" post.

Also, it plays out better in court if they work with an undercover female officer.

So it's extremely rare for them to go the "get a provider to turn" route. In fact, I can't say that I've ever heard of a solid report of it happening in a strictly "provider works with them to bust clients" operation.

I mean, we're talking pretty low hanging fruit in general. They aren't known to put more effort into it than is necessary, except in exceptional circumstances.

Always,
Gina

Yes, of course.

However, there is no need for them to use a real provider. Clients will come in droves, dick in one hand and a fistful of dollars in the other, to any old "hey guys, I'm a 20 yr old blonde ready for anything" post.

Also, it plays out better in court if they work with an undercover female officer.

So it's extremely rare for them to go the "get a provider to turn" route. In fact, I can't say that I've ever heard of a solid report of it happening in a strictly "provider works with them to bust clients" operation.

I mean, we're talking pretty low hanging fruit in general. They aren't known to put more effort into it than is necessary, except in exceptional circumstances.

Always,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Joco Jordan, Madison Pink are two local ladies that quickly comes to mind when thinking about providers who were "turned" and used to set up hobbiests.

Heard about the Joco Jordan fiasco way back. That's a case in point of when they really want you...

Joco Jordan, Madison Pink are two local ladies that quickly comes to mind when thinking about providers who were "turned" and used to set up hobbiests. Originally Posted by dirty dog

Jordan and several others in KC DID exactly what Gina outlines as being "rare". There are at least four (possibly six - two are unconfirmed) instances in KC where ladies actively worked with LE, opened their books, and called their clients into an active sting - where they (the lady) were present during the sting.

Our area (KC) may be the EXCEPTION - but it certainly isn't rare here.

- Jackie