Economy and the hobby

I think that comfort/ confidence is underrated. While it is true that the thrill of someone new is a part of what draws us to play in this hobby, you can't discount going back for a safe, known experience works for both parties. The fact that this is a NSAR makes it appealing to both, but that's the way it is with good bartenders too. I'll always go back to a bartender that pours a little extra, knows what I like and comps me one every now and then. I also probably am less trouble, make her day more enjoyable and tip her more to make her bad days more bearable.

The new faces don't get the same treatment but in bad times she knows who she can count on. I guess I'm saying UTR specials are probably best.

I know as to what he was pertaining to regarding customer loyalty.
And my question still remains.
To what extent does the hobbyist become loyal to the provider who's offering the special?
Gawd I despise the words customer/client. I sure don't refer to nor look at any of the gents I spend time with as customers/clients.
Those words to define them, irk me.

If I offer specials It's for everyone.
I don't offer specials based on how many times I spent companionship with someone. I don't believe in the so called *customer loyalty* in this adult lifestyle.

I dont think he meant loyal as in the way you are percieving it, WM.

Specials and "customer loyalty" go hand it hand. And I believe that is just what he meant.

If a client sees you say twice and you really have a great time with him and he has twice paid your regular rate- then say you offer him a discount for coming to see you EVERY week. That kind of loyalty and regular and frequent clientele base is what I think he was referring to. Then the statement becomes better justified and understood as far as going together with specials.


KKA Originally Posted by KlassyKelliAnn

im with WM all the way on this one...every single response i second. If you are really hoping for a special of 75 for everything...then a. thats super hilarious and b. you shouldnt be hobbying often or at all...you should be saving.

Lowering ones donations doesn't indicate that guys will see them or their business will increase. Rather, by lowering ones donations to a certain point. Tends to cause those providers to attract certain unsavory type of men. Who in the end, cause issues for those ladies in one way or another.

Yes the economy is not as it once was. We all get that.
But that doesn't mean the ladies in this adult lifestyle should have to lower their donations and give of their bodies & time in the manner in which some men dictate is necessary for them to see said providers.

It all boils down to the fact that you hobby according to what your *extra* funds will allow. If you don't have *extra* funds to play then you don't hobby.
But don't expect providers to give of their bodies & time to you for less; while you expect more in return. It's disrespectful. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

Yeah, I get your point. However, for those ladies who are in this adult lifestyle with no other viable financial options at their disposal, it very well could be the economy, and not the "dictating men" what forces her to lower her rates. (and just how exactly do men "dictate" what rate a provider opts to set?)

I thinck that lumping gentlemen who hobby on a budget and who aren't as financially fortunate as others into the "unsavory" category is also disrespectful.

Admit it or not, there are problematic clients/providers ~~>turds in ALL the various tax brackets and rate structures.

In fact, I could probably make a good argument defending that the more affluent a person, the greater the probability that they'll be a turd. They can certainly afford to be a turd, so doesn't it stand to reason the more they'll get away with being a turd so the more likely they'll act a turd?

Regardless of one's economic status, it's still up to the providers to weed these turds out in spite of where they choose to set their rate. The screening process is still the same. Lowering your rate isn't going to have any effect on your visitor's demeanor/behavior. If they're a turd, they're a turd. Period.

I'm not a proponent of "forcing" anyone to do anything. Never have been. Providers are free to set their rate wherever they'd like. I've never tried negotiating, chiseling, or bargaining a rate.


"But don't expect providers to give of their bodies & time to you for less; while you expect more in return. It's disrespectful".

By the same token, if a special/discounted rate iis offered, don't expect to give any less than the "A-game", either. That's just as disrespectful as what's stated immediately above.

Don't offer it if you're not going to honor it.

Specials would be nice, BUT I agree with Wicked and KKA; there's an 'ol saying "you get what you pay for" Originally Posted by luv2daty

So true... but you also get what you shop for as well.

Competition tends to lower pricing as vendors (in general) compete to sustain or attract a customer base with less disposable income or re-evaluated budgets.

Unless money doesn't really matter (a fortunate condition for very few), or one is "addicted" to a certain and specific vendor, customers will continue to alter their buying patterns. Many will substitute convenience for wiser spending (comparison shopping) or adjust to less frequent self indulgence. Most will look elsewhere (within the scope of their personal boundaries; economic, familial, moral, etc.) and make the necessary moves.

Yes the economy is not as it once was. We all get that.
But that doesn't mean the ladies in this adult lifestyle should have to lower their donations and give of their bodies & time in the manner in which some men dictate is necessary for them to see said providers.

The customer is obviously your best business ally... and in a more perfect world, they are your friend & partner for success. Treat them otherwise, or push them to the brink of economic distress...and they go elsewhere. The customer... not the vendor, will ultimately determine the selling price of goods and services. There is no effective business model in the World that would deny that. I wish it was otherwise sometimes as a self employed individual... but the reality is simply a supply / demand equation.

I tend to subscribe to the application of Supply-Side Economics:

Supply-side economics is a school of macroeconomic thought that argues that economic growth can be most effectively created by lowering barriers for people to produce (supply) goods and services, such as adjusting income tax and capital gains tax rates, and by allowing greater flexibility by reducing regulation. Consumers will then benefit from a greater supply of goods and services at lower prices

Good luck and peace to all!

The customer is obviously your best business ally... and in a more perfect world, they are your friend & partner for success. Treat them otherwise, or push them to the brink of economic distress...and they go elsewhere. The customer... not the vendor, will ultimately determine the cost of goods and services. There is no effective business model in the World that would deny that. I wish it was otherwise sometimes as a self employed individual... but the reality is simply a supply / demand equation.
Originally Posted by Alamojo

In all rationality and business common sense...I have to completely agree with the above.


KKA

Supply and demand is Economics 101.
I hobby as funds are available and then I weigh,(Not Literally) the options as to where to spend my money.

It seems to me there are people who have to make rent the first of the month and more opportunities are available. Sometimes I go for 'value' when I have an urge and sometimes I can control my little head until I have more disposable income.

I always prefer Eccie Ladies but have been tempted by others. Security is most important so Eccie or another board gives me the info I desire.

If I see a popular provider offering a 'special', I certainly check it out.

That being said, I have my preferences in Ladies and price will not be in play if I am not attracted to one of those offering a special. I know I miss some great Ladies and their talents but I need the right stimulation to meet a Lady.

Price has a role for me but I must connect with a Lady before I try to set a meeting.

Let's not be foolish. The economy affects the providers too.
And all this dictating by some men, that providers should lower their price (and they'll go see the providers) and the so called *supply in demand*. Is ridiculous at best.

Let's face it. If you don't have the proper means available to hobby.
Then don't. It's that damn simple. The hobby is suppose to be about enjoyment. Not about whining /dictating what providers should charge for you to have your way with their body.
Stop dictating & expecting providers near & far To lower their rates to appease you. So you can get more/expect more for less. Because that's what it boils down to with most men who whine about the economy.

For the providers you expect to lower their rates. Those providers
in turn have to (being blunt)...suck & fuck more men just to pay the expenses on their incalls/hotels. (and there are bills associated with private incalls) And in the end. Those providers lose out. Because they're making less. Giving more and not being appreciated.
And those are providers some of you men will end up running off.
Because you've burnt them out and caused them to no longer enjoy pleasures with a man. WHY? because you dictated & expected time and again, that they lower their rates. More and more and more.
to the point they're sucking & fucking you for nothing because they're barely getting by because you told them to lower their rates and give you specials. As IF the economy only affected you.

So continue whining about the economy and all this non sense about supply in demand. In the end. Your going to see providers who will refuse to see you because they no longer enjoy being taken for granted and expected to give ALL of their body to you/for you to have your way with. While you pay next to nothing. Treating them like their worth nothing.

In all my years & travels pertaining to the hobby. I've never seen men disrespect & degrade providers and expect so much for yet expect to pay next to nothing. Than I do from some the SA men. Thank goodness, it's not men I see nor would ever see.


Every last one of these providers is worth more than what some of you men pay and how some of you treat them. And many of you review time & again how she/they/them (WENT WAY OVER THE TIME- She wasn't a clock watcher). Yet those of you who take those ladies for granted are the ones who seek out getting more for less. When it comes to having your way with a lady's body & time. And don't compensate those ladies for graciously giving you more time while you continued to have your way with their body.

I don't care if this is met with disagreement or cringed faces.
Or if my being straightforward offends anyone. Go ahead and say (off my list) because in reality the hobby is my enjoyment. I see real men who know a woman's worth. Not men who take a woman for granted. And thus why I ENJOY the men I've been blessed to of met. They get it. And that carries far more weight and respect than anything.

I hope a lot of providers take note.

Originally Posted by Alamojo
The customer is obviously your best business ally... and in a more perfect world, they are your friend & partner for success. Treat them otherwise, or push them to the brink of economic distress...and they go elsewhere. The customer... not the vendor, will ultimately determine the cost of goods and services. There is no effective business model in the World that would deny that. I wish it was otherwise sometimes as a self employed individual... but the reality is simply a supply / demand equation.

]In all rationality and business common sense...I have to completely agree with the above.


KKA Originally Posted by KlassyKelliAnn

We were having a discussion until it just turned into a lecture.

It's not turned into a lecture at all. It's a discussion. Where both men and women are voicing their opinions on the topic at hand.
Regardless if they're met with agreeable/disagreeing opinions by others. Or you view those opinions to be lectures. It's a discussion none the less.

We were having a discussion until it just turned into a lecture. Originally Posted by golfnwine

ate incalls) And in the end. Those providers lose out. Because they're making less. Giving more and not being appreciated. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

not to be mean,but that is funny...
i guess i could explain why but id rather not and not piss off or offend anyone, but in the "business" you all are in, what do you expect?

and i would appreciate the girl more by repeating alot more with her with lowered rates.
and its total bullshit about if a chick lowers the price she will get scumbags as clients. i think sofaking said it best in his post. Cuz i know for one, i would rather see a girl 10 times for the 70 or 80, versus seeing her only one or 2 times for 120, and im not some scumbag even tho i can act, and dress like one at times.
now if thats the case, lower them for us guys here in this site, or like home2, or whatever..save the "normal" rates for others not verified..?

this is like boystown in mexico... the hottest chick is charging like , e.g., $100. no one goes with her to the back. The decent looking girls rate is like $50.. shes had clients all night. Who wins out? Simple math. Do you really think that girl cares about if she is appreciated or not? i highly doubt it considering shes a "wh..e" If thats the case, maybe get another type of carrer? now this is mexico where there are not much options, and of course there are always exceptions.

Proved my point.

not to be mean,but that is funny...
i guess i could explain why but id rather not and not piss off or offend anyone, but in the "business" you all are in, what do you expect?

and i would appreciate the girl more by repeating alot more with her with lowered rates. (Thank you for your honesty,bigrich75) You made my point and showed your true color. A provider is ONLY appreciated IF she lowers her rate for you. Nice man. Real nice.)
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and its total bullshit about if a chick lowers the price she will get scumbags as clients. (bigrich75, Interesting comment. Are you the one in the room with those providers who lower their rates? Can you with 100% certainty state that by lowering their rates. Those providers will not attract one single unsavory guy when she lowers her rates?)

i think sofaking said it best in his post. Cuz i know for one, i would rather see a girl 10 times for the 70 or 80, versus seeing her only one or 2 times for 120, and im not some scumbag even tho i can act, and dress like one at times.
(I disagree with Sofaking & you.
Your making that provider give you more of her body & TIME in a period of 10xs. Yet stating you'd only pay 70 or 80.00. indicating just how much she's worth in your eyes. Or as you've stated earlier. You ONLY appreciate her IF she lowers her rate. )


this is like boystown in mexico... the hottest chick is charging like , e.g., $100. no one goes with her to the back. The decent looking girls rate is like $50.. shes had clients all night. Who wins out? Simple math. Do you really think that girl cares about if she is appreciated or not?

(Damn straight I do!!!!! And yet again, bigrich75 you've proved my point. This is NOT Mexico. And you better believe that every one of these providers deserve respect and to be appreciated and not be taken for granted by the likes of someone like you. They're not wh*res. They're women who deserve to be respected. Guys like you make me puke.).

i highly doubt it considering shes a "wh..e" If thats the case, maybe get another type of carrer? now this is mexico where there are not much options, and of course there are always exceptions. Originally Posted by bigrich75

KKA, thanks for elaborating on exactly what i meant but lack the literary skills to properly convey!

I for the most part stay out of the hobby these days for any number of reasons, but certainly economics being one of them. Such is life when you start a business at exactly the wrong time (May 2008) and the financial loss associated with such a venture. In this economy it is a long slow climb back to financial health, but I am making progress.
This discussion is a very sensitive one on both sides. The hobbyists for the most part have felt the financial pain of the current economy, and certainly the providers have felt it as well although to what I believe is a lesser extent. Currently this discussion seems to me to be framed in the context that our current economic conditions are what they are and will continue to be such for possibly an extended period of time. Kind of skipping across the bottom so to speak. I have read some economists that are forecasting another more severe downturn from our present conditions. An article I just read today pointed out the similiarities between stock market fundamentals in 1932 and the ones that we currently see now, possibly foretelling Great Depression II. After reading that I went to the Texas State Handbook online and researched the hobby in Great Depression I. The report said that new providers flooded into the business at exactly the same time hobbyists had less to spend. Massive deflation occurred.
So I guess that as long as things dont get any worse, the industry will stay just about the same as what we are seeing now. As a result I am hoping that we dont see the economic conditions that would create deflation in the hobby. That would not be good for either the providers or the hobbyist. In the end though, as individuals we have very little control over what the future holds. Just my $.02.

and its total bullshit about if a chick lowers the price she will get scumbags as clients. (bigrich75, Interesting comment. Are you the one in the room with those providers who lower their rates? Can you with 100% certainty state that by lowering their rates. Those providers will not attract one single unsavory guy when she lowers her rates?)

i think sofaking said it best in his post. Cuz i know for one, i would rather see a girl 10 times for the 70 or 80, versus seeing her only one or 2 times for 120, and im not some scumbag even tho i can act, and dress like one at times.
(I disagree with Sofaking & you.
Your making that provider give you more of her body & TIME in a period of 10xs. Yet stating you'd only pay 70 or 80.00. indicating just how much she's worth in your eyes. Or as you've stated earlier. You ONLY appreciate her IF she lowers her rate. ) Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

Prrrrt! Time out!

Feel free to disagree with me all you wish, just make sure that you know what you're disagreeing with me about.

I am not "making" any provider do anything. If there's a special offered by a provider, it will be completely and totally of her own doing. I have NEVER negotiated a provider's rate. Never haggled, Never chiseled. EVER!

Nor have I EVER forced any woman to do anything.

So what was it again that you disagree with me about?

That entire line of questioning regarding the lowering of rates and attracting "less savory" clients as a result... Are you the one in the room with those providers who lower their rates? Can you with 100% certainty state that by lowering their rates. Those providers will not attract one single unsavory guy when she lowers her rates?)


Whose to say *what* sparked the attraction. No one can say with 100% certainty one way or the other, so that's just a ridiculous question.


Going by your logic if a provider was to *raise her rate* then she should expect NO unsavory visitors, right? Isn't that the way this works...?


I CAN say with 100% certainty that if a provider finds herself in a room with one of these unsavory variety guys, then she needs to seriously take a look at her screening process and figure out how in the hell this unsavory dude slipped through the cracks. SCREENING weeds out the unsavory type a lot better than the provider's rate.


Again, let me re-emphasize this one last thing. I don't give a rat's hind-end WHERE you ladies set your rate. Period. That's entirely your call. If I can swing it, I'll make an appointment and follow through with the visit. If I can't swing it, you won't know this because I'll not have bothered you in the first place.

So set your rates wherever you feel comfortable and *maybe*, just *maybe*, we can avoid all of this *noise* and concentrate more on the Fun stuff...this other crap is a buzz-buster.



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