Reasonable shelf life of a provider, Whats the next step ??

LilRed,

From the aspect you are presenting, the joke is on the dawg reviewing the young spinner. Its not like shes his legitimate girl friend, she was only with him because he paid her.

What you express is basically him trying to build his own ego, professing to be something he is not. He is fat, bald and 52, he just banged a 19 year old Elf for $150, a girl that would not have given him the time of day if Santa wasn"t pimpin' her out. Actually he feels like he got her for free because the same guy generally goes to the Baton Rouge strip clubs stuffing a couple hundred bucks in G strings then goes home and jerks it. So he basically wants to tell the world out of his own insecurity I am still the man I banged a 19 year old.


Now not to dis credit you, because you are a good lookin' older woman, he sees you as his equal, hell he probably has a wife your age at home, and he would never go out in the street and brag he had sex with his wife last night, so to write a review on you does nothin' to boost his insecurity.

Ditto-----{quoted}..You certainly can't tell who is in demand by the number of reviews someone gets. For some reason the men seem to not want to post reviews for us ladies over 30+. I have seen several hobbyist on here more than once and never gotten a review from them, yet they break their necks to post reviews on the young spinner types. Even use me as a reference to see the young ones..lol. And then they still come see me for more. It is just human for the men to like to brag about their dates with the young HOTT girls. But it doesn't mean that the older providers aren't doing just as well. Actually, right now, my business couldn't be any better or I would need two of me...seriously. I think that if a mature provider offers great service and takes pride in her looks and attitude, she can provide as long as she wants. {unquote}

I have heard great things about you LilRed!!!

I have guys wanting to see me all over half the country...I even had 6 wanted the same time wednesday nite in memphis!!!I think I am gonna rent a private jet just to get around....I feel that I am popular in many cities,but I still get "very few" reviews on this site{I get lots on e.com & ter}.....I don't consider myself a spinner,but feel that I am pretty darn close and I am more energetic than alot of these 20somethings!!

I do have a very profitable business and am doing very well for 'an old chick"...lol!!
I even got to double with another provider older than me {LM} this week and we wore the guys out!!lol!
She said that her biz is great too!!


I try to stay out of the drama on here...and I stay very supportive to the other providers & hobbyist..I take a very strong customer satisfaction stance...and I associate with another provider on a regular basis{April rocks!!!}

I think it just all depends on "ATTITUDE"!!!!!!

Just a quick comment here on something I read above to keep in mind...



You certainly can't tell who is in demand by the number of reviews someone gets. For some reason the men seem to not want to post reviews for us ladies over 30+. I have seen several hobbyist on here more than once and never gotten a review from them, yet they break their necks to post reviews on the young spinner types. Even use me as a reference to see the young ones..lol. And then they still come see me for more. It is just human for the men to like to brag about their dates with the young HOTT girls. But it doesn't mean that the older providers aren't doing just as well. Actually, right now, my business couldn't be any better or I would need two of me...seriously. I think that if a mature provider offers great service and takes pride in her looks and attitude, she can provide as long as she wants. Originally Posted by LilRed

That is very true now that I think about it. I have had only ONE review on Eccie since I joined, yet my rates just went up lol. So if we were to go only by reviews I would be starving to death. I tend to get maybe 3-4 reviews a MONTH on TBD and TER, because those guys don't get caught up in my personal business, thus making them more alluring to see. The illusion paints me as only seeing very few per month, but not that few lol..I would be going to Delgado instead of Tulane if that was all the money I was pulling in.

What one provider considers doing "well" is not what another considers the same. If you only charge 200 an hour you will get more volume naturally. A girl twice that rate is not going to get that same volume, so of course her numbers are going to be less, yet she is making the same money in half the time. Some providers need $500 a week, and others want $500 a day. To each his own as defining what is considered doing well.



We are talking about statistics around the globe, and looks, age, rates, and service ALL come into play. You can't compare a 19 year old girl making $500 an hour to a 45 year old only making $200. If the 19 year old dropped her rates to match up, I can guarantee she would be dead from all the business, provided she also performed and kept appts as well as the older lady.

UTR is not speculating on how good we are doing now...it's geared toward 10-20 years from now. No way in hell I would continue to get $500 plus a date 20 years from now lol. I would not even try. One or two people might still pay it, but I would not be making the money I am making now, seeing few clients as I choose. I would have to lower my rates maybe even by half, and double up on the amount of guys I had to see just to make that same amount of money.


I need about 4-7K a month, IN ADDITION to my other income, so for me any less than a grand a week is pushing it on my financial scale. Add to that, I won't see 5 guys in order to do that unless I work only one week that month lol. So my definition for doing well in my own situation would be $1500 a week and seeing no more than 3 guys to make that. For me, volume is not how I measure how well I am doing..it's the amount of money I make seeing as few as possible.


The whole point of UTR's post is that eventually this life will end for all of us because of one of the factors stated above. It is not the ideal business for the senior citizen...pretending it is is just plain naive. There are only so many men willing to pay A PREMIUM for certain criteria, and that is not going to change. You can see it in the comments guys make about girls all over the place. Ex. "300 for that...I can get so and so for half the price." Or "She is way too fat or old to be charging that much, when so and so is 80 lbs. and offers greek."

Some guys don't give a rat's ass about your service if they are not attracted to you. I don't buy that a guy is going to PAY for a girl he thinks is plain ugly lol. If she is not his body type, personality type, etc. he is not going to be able to perform anyway regardless of what she offers. Her service could be better than Jenna Jameson but if he thinks she is too old, too fat, or too ugly, she will never have the chance to show him her skills.

The bottom line is if the individual escort is making the money she needs and wants, and is comfortable with the volume...we are all where we should be. You can't really tell someone else that they are not doing as well as you are when you don't know their financial situation. Some want a mansion, others a trailer.

P.S. Dallas did I not say they would kill for you in Memphis lol. That place is crazy but I could not keep up lol. I am going back to Knox instead.

I don't post reviews, ( as of yet ) unless I believed to have been ripped off. If someone asks for a provider in a general location I mention someone that I have seen. Age does not matter to me. If you do not do things I like then I will move on,

Great points London


as far as volume..when the money is there to be made you make it....I don't consider myself high volume..I do incall so i try not to average more than 6 a week.....BUT.....I WILL do a few more appts when I travel so I can meet my "profit" level....I do quite well and made close to hundred grand last year

You are so right about a guy only pays for what he wants...that is the wat it should be.....we all work hard for our income,so we need to use it wisely

Great points London


as far as volume..when the money is there to be made you make it....I don't consider myself high volume..I do incall so i try not to average more than 6 a week.....BUT.....I WILL do a few more appts when I travel so I can meet my "profit" level....I do quite well and made close to hundred grand last year

You are so right about a guy only pays for what he wants...that is the wat it should be.....we all work hard for our income,so we need to use it wisely Originally Posted by DallasRain

I am the exact same way girl. You have to take into account the $1200 plus for touring expenses...we don't use thrifty motels lol. I normally see 2 extra clients in those weeks to cover that...that's just common sense lol. I have also found that when touring, certain areas are more into booking dinner dates rather than only an hour. Memphis for me was mostly hours and 90 min. while Knox and Nash I had a dinner date 5 days in a row. I also noticed the men in Knox did daty more lol. I think I came 12 times that trip.

I also tend to spend about a grand on site seeing, shopping etc. I am not one to sit in a hotel room waiting for the next client, so I take advantage of all the sites in the area. I went to Beale St. and Graceland while in Memphis, and the CMT awards in Nashville...all for free that time hehe. To me, this is the BEST part of being a companion...staying in the best hotels and seeing the world every chance you get while meeting great people.

Is that not the nature of supply and demand? What is new and hot gets the most attention. By nature men want the young hot girls because that is what they are biologically motivated to do so. They don't care if they have to pay for it, because when you date a woman in real life you end up paying for dinner, dates, ect... just for a chance. Older providers offer companionship that the young ones do not. In my experience the young girls are so blinded by the money they don't care what they have to do to get it. The elfs have been used in this thread for a good reason. Offering a FFC card is hilarious. You might as well be offering oil changes. Ella is only 19 and has already had to drop her rates and offer greek. Being such a high volume provider means most dawgs have been there and done that multiple times. So she has had to expand the menu to lure them back. Personality in my book personality goes a lot further than physical looks. Sure I enjoy seeing a super hot provider, but when the menu is exhausted and there is nothing "new" to do, I move on. Knowing that I am not the only person they will being seeing that day is a turn off that is only thing that overpowers this dislike of high volume is the novelty of it. I have never seen this provider I wonder how she is? She sure is super hot! But once I have tried it out, I am done. When looks are the only thing drawing you in, why keep coming back. The elves tap into the novelty marketing angle, but it is obvious that it only lasts so long. I have a mid 30s provider that I see on a regular basis. She is a beautiful lady but she is not a hot 18 year old. I keep going back to her for one simple reason, personality. I do not only have fun with the usual activities, but I enjoy talking to her as well. Looks attract, but personality keeps. Gimmicks, discounts, and coupons only last so long before your old news and no one cares. I am sure there are exceptions to this and the elves have regulars, but overall I think this is the truth. If I see a provider and she is willing to do things she normally wouldn't or for less money I lose respect for her. But what can I say? A deal is a deal! Lol.
I know I am going to get attacked for these comments, but is it not the truth?
I am only speaking as a hobbyist, not a provider. These are just my opinions, but I am sure a certain person will pop up and tell me how I don't know anything.

I agree with you and you have just as much right as anyone to post your comments. It is true about all you have said lol, which is why some of us have never dropped our rates or expanded our menu...we had that to begin with. I started escorting at 26 and now at 28, I can't even imagine being a provider before I turned 21...or even at that age. I was not mentally ready to handle such a shock to my psyche, and am glad I waited.

I also was not set financially with a degree that early, and could easily have been addicted to just the money here with nothing to fall back on. I have no regrets about getting my education first, and will keep doing so.

I agree that if the personality is not there to match the looks, it's not even worth repeating. Hot girls are a dime a dozen if they don't have the marketing and business sense to correlate with it, no one is going to bother going back. You can get a hot girl at the truck stop, but you risk being the 5th or 6th guy that day. I further agree with you about being worn out from the get go.

I never worked for an agency so I was never one to be a slave to that kind of volume for half the rate. Even when I had someone in charge of my calls, I still said what, who, and how many per week, and I set my own rates. I also didn't offer all the extras like greek, and msog for peanuts either. If you see everyone in a city over and over, eventually they will move on the the next new thing. You will either have to drop your rates to compete or move to another market where you are new again. That's why I love touring...always something new.

To date I have NEVER seen more than 2 clients in a day, and if I did it was one in the morning and then a dinner date that night...and I was still a bit worn out from only that. I have also never done that more than once in a week either lol. I am not a robot or a machine, so I stop when I feel I have had enough. I agree with all you have said, and as a paying customer you have the right to get what you want.

as an added footnote----while i have been here in Memphis...most of my guys said they prefered "bigger" providers.......one even said I was too small{wtf?? I aint that small...lol}........they state their reasoning as that "bigger" girls are more curvy and womanly....I guess it is all a perspective of "what floats your boat"!!!!

Thanks London. You understood what I meant. No hobbyist is stupid enough to think they are the "first" person the provider has ever been with. But there is not just a turn off quality to knowing that you are the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th customer that day. By the time you show up she is worn out, tired, and faking her way through it more than usual.
Part of what you are paying for a GFE is the really the EXPERIENCE part of it. I don't have a real girlfriend not because I cannot get one, but because I don't have time for one. I am a good looking guy in my early 30s that works out and is in great shape. I am definitely not a Brad Pitt level good looking, but getting a girlfriend would not be a problem. In another thread a provider said that 93% of all clients are overweight, balding, unattractive guys who would not be getting laid if they were not paying for it. Well even though I do not fit that criteria I am still looking for the same things.
I want a provider to seem genuinely interested in me, pretend to care how my day is going, and things like that to SIMULATE the relationship of having a girlfriend that I do not have in my own life. Does this girls really care about me or how my life is going??? NO. But that in my opinion is part of her job is to pretend. The provider I spoke of earlier I am sure started out not giving a crap about me at all. But now are seeing her for a couple years now, she calls me to talk and she how I am doing even when there is not a date scheduled. With no personality and an inability to fake your way through the conversation part, you might as well be offering oil changes. Simulating a relationship that a client does not have time for and is will to pay for is a honorable service at the very least. Providing just physical pleasure is AT BEST respectable. In my opinion, the young girls only know how to provide the physical and nothing more. I show up and they are ready to get to it. Part of me wonders how they can be so ready to go when I am not the first person they have seen that day. Then, when I try to talk to them it is uncomfortable, it would be like trying to have a leisurely conversation with your doctor when he giving you a prostate exam. Its fake, superficial, and awkward. You might as well be offering oil changes because it is impersonal and simply "draining fluid." To keep me coming back you need more than good deals, fake smiles, and an ability to see up to 6 clients a day.

I think that if a mature provider offers great service and takes pride in her looks and attitude, she can provide as long as she wants. Originally Posted by LilRed

Very well put LilRed.

I would think that, as every other product in America....it is the choice of the buyer.
Do you want a big mac....because it tasts soooo good...but then after you've eaten it....you have this feeling...of, uh...oh....was that really worth it?
Or....you could get a taco salad....with some health benefit...but then a little bad on the side..

The young hot providers are challenged and even evasive to giving their clients an "enriched" experience. But....some clients prefer just to touch and rub the fountain of youth for half an hour. That is the choice of the buyer.

Most older providers specialize in giving a more of an OVERALL session, which means connection, conversation, and a display of experience and control. That also....is the choice of the buyer.

Yes, the older providers....in order to stay busy must concentrate on keeping themselves fit and in good health. If you can do that...with also good genes (cross ur fingers).....you can do this for many years into your mature phase of life.

I am 46. Hopefully not doing so bad. I love this profession, and I am fortunate that I have the skills (which include organization and administrative).....to carry on for....I dunno...???
Oh, and btw....I never cut my rates, and my clients gladly pay the donation.
Shelf life? Well....if you were bottled with quality....then you only get better with age, and the uncorking experience could be awesome....

Mr. Apollo.....we should meet...



Warm Regards!
GingerB

I want the lady to be herself. I do not appreciate fake smiles or lies. I do want to have good conversation but tell me the truth - not the brutal truth - but truth. Do not tell me I am best thing you had all month when it just isn't true does not turn me on at all. In fact when providers say those things to me I am turned off because I cannot believe it. These fake compliments mean nothing to me. But part of GFE for me is talk to me damnit!! I also like all the caressing and massaging in between rounds. I like the intimacy. Some ladies after I orgasm, run to the other side of the room until we start round two, I do not see those again.

I saw a provider for first time recently and all she said at the end, when i was walking out, she was glad to see me because I was a real nice guy. Now that sticks because I think it was true. She did not have to do that.

I realize this a little off topic so let me get back to the main discussion. There is a service and product out there for everyone and every product has a shelf life. We all die at some point. Not to be morbid, but at some age a man's body can no longer perform some men the age is 96 some stop at 62. The same with women at some age the beauty and ability leaves their body, some ladies at 42 some ladies at 62 and some at 96.

The fact that none of us know what the future holds for our bodies requires some planning on the financial end or necessity takes over and rates are lowered, simple.

Right on, right on, right on! Personality DEFINITELY goes a long way. In the short time I have been doing this, I have heard gentlemen from 21 to 61 say the same thing, the young girls are in it for the money and looks only go so far AND they prefer older providers because WE take our time, show genuine affection and can carry on an intelligent conversation. I got some damn good advice from another provider recently (you know who you are!) and I am SO glad I listened to her! She was right, business has brisk for me! My shelf life may be longer than I actually need, given my well preserved state! But I won't have a problem letting it go. There would be a very select few I would miss, but I am sure they would wish me well.

As LILRED stated service,thats what its about,some guys like myself,like a variety,others might only like young spinners,i dont agree with the part about,we review the younger girls more than the mature ones,i know a lady that uses the handle of a city in texas,who probably has more business than she can handle,but you dont see alot of new reviews of her,because what else is there to say about her,she has built a reputation on the board,but she started as a unknown in our area,if your business is good lilred,then you are doing something right just my 2 cents

Being in my late 30's I was very nervous about getting into this...Am I too old? Will they want me? Will they pay what I think is fair and reasonable for what I am offering?

It didn't take me too long to figure out that I was still within the desirable age range and YES! They do want me and YES! they are happy to donate!

I also had the extremely great fortune to meet and befriend Dallas and Lea Maddison. These two women, with their beauty, sexiness and stamina have me looking forward to my 40's and beyond!