GFE and PSE whats it mean to you?

Footlong,

That idea that GFE is an attitude and not certain activities? .....the basic things his girlfriend would do (ie. kissing, daty, bbbj, mpcfs). Originally Posted by FootLong

Oh, Lorht.

To each his own, nonetheless, it does seem to me (in my experience, GF or otherwise, lol) that some men assign greater value than others to the level and quality of interaction (i.e., kissing, teasing, common interests, overall sensuality) than checklisting activities when evaluating a session...and vice-versa, obviously, lol.

Incidentally, we may be discounting the fact that ALL of the the "food groups" may not appeal to ALL people. The men that I have dated in "real life" are never daty guys...I am not a daty-type girl. So, consequently, for me, BCD as an actual girlfriend would never include daty anyway. Of course, I do tend to gravitate towards more of the old school "macho" type with whom the sex usually revolves more around penetration than...female-centric foreplay, but, again, to each his own.

On the other hand, I do agree that BBBJ IS something you would do with your actual boyfriend-BUT, hopefully, only after you were certain that the two of you were the genuine article (or at least fully committed to sexual exclusivity).

In this fantasy world, however, you can only pretend up to a certain point without possibly jeopardizing your peace of mind, and some activities, like BBBJ (and DATY, for that matter) are risky and arguably best reserved for a monogamous relationship.

Judgement-free, what errant spouse wants to be the .01 % that comes home with asymptomatic herpes simplex (I and II can exist interchangably in the genital and oral areas) or the provider who contracts oral gonorrhea or develops HPV-induced oral cancer later in life?? Methinks, "no thanks"-not I. That said, as much as I like you or you like me, there are some things that are just not ever going to happen...because-real though it may be on many levels-the relationship that exists is NOT monogamous.

At any rate, I felt it worthwhile to share with the community on this point...take it or leave it .

That has to be the biggest emoticon I have ever seen. Lol. Jj you crazy guy you lol

WM: I'm not saying anyone has a right to 'force' anything. We all know and accept that YMMV applies in this biz. And of course guys are expected to be hygenic and comport themselves properly. But advertising as "GFE" gives guys certain hopes and expectations. If a girl means something different with that term than what 'most guys' are thinking, then the term is useless and even detrimental. And never did I come close to suggesting that bbfs is part of "GFE", so if you have a beef with some guy, perhaps you could take that up elsewhere.

Mikaela: You are correct that there are risks in this hobbyland, and each plays at the level they are comfortable with and can reach agreement on. It is true 'some' guys may not daty with their girl, but does that mean you won't offer it to guys in general? Some providers who say they are "GFE" do not kiss. Say what?! How many girlfriends out there do not kiss their boyfriend? In this hobby realm, we need terms to communicate experiences we each decide whether or not is worth paying for. I dare say "most" guys, in a "girlfriend experience", want the 'experience' of a better girlfriend than the one they have or have had, such as the ones that won't give them head. I think the ideal girlfriend, for most guys, offers the "four foodgroups" - and if the guy doesn't want to do one of them, like daty, well that is his choice - the choice of the paying customer. If the girl doesn't want to do them, that is OK too - her choice - but she simply should not apply to herself the GFE label, or should be ok with some guys saying she is 'not GFE'.

Naughty Jez: You did not need to clarify. Your position is clear and unambiguous. Girlfriends everywhere fear you. LOL

This 'what is GFE' thread pops up every so often, and it is good, especially to get the girls' take, cuz then we can get a better idea of which girls will most likely meet our expectations, and which will not. And that, of course, is also the value of reviews.

Sonya: Thanks. You are definitely girlfriend material.

FL: Agreed...more or less, lol. Probably the biggest reason I do not advertise as GFE...when at heart I really feel it is the best readily available term to describe my attitude, et cetera...neither am I alone in that opinion-reviews are an invaluable resource (oh, how agreeable we all can be, lol...).

It is the irony inherent to the label that prompted my statements in the first place, ha, ha,...irony from the standpoint of a Girl Friend who offers the same Experience in session as she does realtime with a new boyfriend...(and then to know full well that by most standards she would not be considered GFE...it's a wtf kinda moment on my end, lol).

Anyway, I also agree with you re the worth of the thread in its entirety-it's a great venue for a provider to share her expectations/limitations as well...which is, in part, also what contributed to my participation.

xoxo m

That's your opinion. You seem to be a guy who expects a *list* rather than adoring women and enjoying them & the experience.

Thank goodness I don't see men like you.

I agree with you here sort of
but still knowing is half the battle in determining who I see. If i don't see a list of certain activities from the get go then its a no go for me.
I workout daily, and practice good hygiene to present a great image when meeting ladies both in and out the hobby so your right if you don't upkeep yourself or make an attempt to do so then chemistry just wont happen.



I have no idea where this came from but please keep this sort of ugliness off my thread or any other threads for that matter.
It's irrelevant here and should be a topic for you to present either in the girls room, private messaging or alerts if you have first hand knowledge (meaning it happened to you personally and not hearsay). Originally Posted by mojojo213

It is relevant. Because said male poster in this thread. Made mention that because he was not given BBFS then said lady was not GFE. I know this firsthand. Therefore, my comment still stands.
GFE does NOT mean that men get to force BB on a lady nor get BB from a lady. Period!

Ahhh mikeala ....your so smart you are GFE in my book. Always treated me like a

O yea GFE PSE idk what the difference is anymore lol.

I never stated you said anything about one forcing another nor did I state you said anything about BBFS. Please read what was written.

And while a lady may very well put out there she's GFE.
She's not giving false expectations if YOU the man shows up and have hygiene and attitude issue. It then becomes your fault for not receiving GFE. Not hers. GFE is just as much about the mans attitude etc. as it is about the lady's.
GFE is not a one way deal. Unless your selfish.

WM: I'm not saying anyone has a right to 'force' anything. We all know and accept that YMMV applies in this biz. And of course guys are expected to be hygenic and comport themselves properly. But advertising as "GFE" gives guys certain hopes and expectations. If a girl means something different with that term than what 'most guys' are thinking, then the term is useless and even detrimental. And never did I come close to suggesting that bbfs is part of "GFE", so if you have a beef with some guy, perhaps you could take that up elsewhere. Originally Posted by FootLong

Ahhh mikeala ....your so smart you are GFE in my book. Always treated me like a

O yea GFE PSE idk what the difference is anymore lol. Originally Posted by ThatOneNiceGuy

"Always treated...like a..."-WTF?!! You mean to say you aren't really royalty, lol??

Crap.

That WOULD be JUST my luck.

LOL, thanks, buddy , mmmmmmuaaah !!

That's your opinion. You seem to be a guy who expects a *list* rather than adoring women and enjoying them & the experience.

Thank goodness I don't see men like you.

It is relevant. Because said male poster in this thread. Made mention that because he was not given BBFS then said lady was not GFE. I know this firsthand. Therefore, my comment still stands.
GFE does NOT mean that men get to force BB on a lady nor get BB from a lady. Period! Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

I've reviewed THIS thread and see no mention of that. So point me out HERE, not through your personal conversations but here on Eccie...pm me......btw dont worry my love the feeling is mutual


Now this doesn't mean everyone take a shot at Wicked Milf for having a different opinion, this just means everyone stick to the topic. We wont be warning anyone...

Eeeeek! (In reference to the attacks on hobbyists/mods/providers, I see the same person attack, attack and attack.... that's all. Get a grip! Sheesh. ((I could really use a cigar and scotch right now))

Back on topic (sigh):

The Girlfriend Experience (GFE)
The elusive "E" in GFE (ask SofaKingFun) is the experience once share which emulates closest what is felt in a true girlfirend/boyfriend exchange. From hand-holding, to kissing, caressing and making a deep and meaningful connection. Maintaining eye-contact is always essential and shows confidence and trust. I am always my true self in every session and the only thing phony about me is my "handle/alias" which is clearly not my real name in the civilian arena. Men are intelligent and know when a lady is warm and genuine or cold and fake.

For me, I'd say that 95% of my clientele seek GFE services. In my opinion, GFE entails intellectual, witty, and fun/nerdy conversations about everything under the sun over a glass of champagne or simply water or even coffee prior to engaging in BCD activity. Specific services/acronyms, in my opinion, include MPCFS, Daty (not my fave - does nothing for me), BBBJ, MSOG, DFK, LFK, cuddling, more convo, rolling around in the bed and maybe playing video games if time permits (which is why I bring my gaming consoles to my incalls - lol).

The Porn Star Experience (PSE):
My lesser favorite in relation to GFE and least requested per clients, but with the right clients who combine GFE/PSE (Ammonite), I can truly enjoy being that naughty/playful person and bring out the inner porn-star. When I first started in this hobby, I had more men request PSE and I never cared for it as I felt like I was being tossed around like a tractor in a twister. I never really felt like I could intellectualize with men who did not give me the chance to ask them if they wanted a beverage or have a seat to chat before we started....I felt like they wanted to push me on the bed and rip off my clothes after they had entered the door and that is not what I am about. Instead, I chose to market myself in a way to prioritize the services I felt would allow me to a.) feel okay to hobby b.) establish long-term and meaningful friendships with clients c.) not feel objectified. I love meeting new friends and repeat clients because i feel respected to an extent.

In my honest opinion, PSE services include the pornographic acts (e.g.) Greek, DoubleP, DeepP, DT, MPCFS, POV, role-playing, toys and fetish. I respect ladies who can do Greek as they can command more dinero, but ewwww...(lol) trips to Greece is not my cup of tea for many reasons. I just can't fathom a guy putting a stick up in that particular messy hole which is solely my opinion. To each his own, I suppose.

My two pesos on the matter in describing my personal thoughts on the differences. As many have stated, good topic!

Respectfully,

VLB

I like VIP Latina Barbie's definition even better than my own!

It's always great and appreciated when a girl goes above and beyond the call.

There is a goddess.

Awwwwww...shucks! (blushing)

I like VIP Latina Barbie's definition even better than my own!

It's always great and appreciated when a girl goes above and beyond the call.

There is a goddess. Originally Posted by FootLong

HUH? Really???

When did those uninhibited pleasures become Pornographic?
They're natural part of sex. And if you fuck. Then all forms of fucking activities must be pornographic. Not just certain ones.
And to state the MPCFS is pornographic is funny as hell. Same with saying deep throat is pornographic.

Man oh man. I feel for all those who enjoy the pornographic pleasures of sex. Gawd forbid they be a natural part of enjoying another person of the opposite sex.

Just my sensible wise POV.

The Porn Star Experience (PSE):
In my honest opinion, PSE services include the pornographic acts (e.g.) Greek, DoubleP, DeepP, DT, MPCFS, POV, role-playing, toys and fetish. I respect ladies who can do Greek as they can command more dinero, but ewwww...(lol) trips to Greece is not my cup of tea for many reasons. I just can't fathom a guy putting a stick up in that particular messy hole which is solely my opinion. To each his own, I suppose.


VLB Originally Posted by VIP Latina Barbie

Over the years each girlfriend liked doing different things...some begged for Greek others hated thinking about it, some loved DATY and some not so much, some like to be tied up others like strange locations...some bucked, scratched and screamed...some barely moved.

None were PSE.

The difference between GFE and PSE is the state of mind.