Attention New Ladies or Ladies that remember when they were new and someone offered to help them get verified.....

You guys are really over thinking this.

I didn't close the thread to get back at Summer, not was I making a statement that she was affiliated with Supamates. I closed the thread because it was old and it should have been closed a long time ago. It was now irrelevant. The thread had already died until someone saw Supamates using Summer's avatar.

Many of the guys on this board do that. It doesn't mean that they manage that individual.

It's clearer now that you've explained your side of it, JJ.

You left out one detail, though. How did Summer end up getting verified?

It's clearer now that you've explained your side of it, JJ.

You left out one detail, though. How did Summer end up getting verified? Originally Posted by Beagle

I can't remember if I did it after she got a review, or if someone else verified her.

JJ She makes it sound like you were trying to use your power on the board to coerce her into giving you a freebie.

This is going to turn into a whole he said/she said hate thread. So, let me explain my side of the story before things get too crazy.

Summer appeared on the board back on November. She was new on the board, she didn't have reviews, and she was interested in becoming a verified provider. She caught my eye, because the pics she used when she first showed up looked extremely young and I wanted to make sure she was at least 18 years old.

I asked her if she knew any verified providers or well known hobbyists that would be willing to vouch for her. She gave me the name of a verified provider (VP) she knew and I contacted that VP. I asked the VP friend if she was willing to vouch for her friend. Her friend did not want to vouch for her. I should have left it alone, but her age still bothered me.

I asked Summer if she wanted to meet and she agreed. I was talking with her on the phone until I arrived and parked. There was a suspicious individual lounging in the parking lot. He got on the phone and started looking my way a minute after I got off the phone with Summer. This made me suspicious.

I arrived at the room and I was glad to meet a lady that didn't look as young as her pics.

I gotta ask.....What are you doing in the room of a Provider you THINK is possibly underage?

We had a nice conversation, but I was still suspicious. I didn't know if this lady was a scam artist, working with LE, or someone working for reporter. I asked if she wanted to do this and move things along.

I gotta ask.....Why are you moving things along toward a session with all those warning bells in your head?

We had not discussed a donation at this point and I did not want to do so with someone that I didn't know or trust yet.

So a session without any idea of who was paying what is something you thought would ensue?

She seemed receptive to me, so I advanced forward and then asked for money.

I am assuming you mean she asked for money.

I simply grinned and told her that I did not trade money for sex, because that was illegal. After that, she clammed up and I understood that there was nothing that I could say to turn things around.

I can definitely see that there is potential for misunderstanding here that you are uncomfortable fronting money and she thinks she should be paid up front not weighing the dynamics of the moment and the concerns for what everyone is afraid of.

So I simply said good bye and I left. Now many of you are thinking if I was going to leave the lady empty handed. Of course not. I just wasn't going to risk myself even more than I already had and become ensnared by LE or the Six O'Clock News.

The moment I walked out, the same suspicious guy started texting and giving me the evil eye.

I think that this was just a misunderstanding on both our parts, and I apologize to the young lady if she thought that I was going to take advantage of her. Originally Posted by JJ

How did she receive Verified Provider Status? You left the room with all kinds of suspicions.... Did it come from someone else and was she seen by someone/vouched? She seems to be saying it was a way of shutting her up.

JJ.... It would appear that you may be a little overzealous in going out to research these ladies on your own. Surely that is not remotely expected of you...

Her implying this is as big of a mess as the GFX scandal is very interesting!

I can't remember if I did it after she got a review, or if someone else verified her. Originally Posted by JJ

Is that normal? If something came down month later after a girl is verified is there no record of how she achieved the status?

You are correct. I am a little overzealous to go out and research these ladies on my own, and no it is not expected of me.

Although what I do in my own time, is my business.

Almost sounds like a GFX response to poor mgmt skills.

I can relate to what JJ did, going on a recon expedition. I could have done the same myself, and made the same decision to bail if I saw those red flags.

How Summers got her verified status would be very telling......

I'm inclined to give JJ the benefit of doubt, but I'll wait to see what else Summer has to say......

I will freely admit I don't have the stones to meet a new, unverified provider. I have found myself in the same position as JJ described, with a girl asking for cash but associating it with sex rather than time. I'm sure she isn't happy with him for not following through with the verification. I would have done what he did, well in fact I have done very similar. I walked out on a provider in Orange County after putting down cash and being told she only danced unless I paid more for each level of sex act. She chased me down the hallway of my own hotel, into the elevator, and out of the elevator through the lobby to her "driver" in the parking lot. He was walking towards me as I got in my rented car and drive off to dinner. Never saw them again, never saw an unverified provider again.

a girl he thinks is a minor
a provider that will not vouch for her
a guy outside the hotel room
warning signs INSIDE the hotel room

AND YOU ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD FOR A SESSION?

Maybe.....MAYBE a newbie.....

But an experienced Hobbyist that is a MOD?

We are to believe that with all that going on you still moved forward for a session AND AFTERWARDS would have paid her what was due having no idea what the rate was?

How would that work after the Session JJ?

Provider.... That will be $400 please...

JJ... ______________________________ __

This whole thread smells like another BS drama factory.

All good points Whispers, but JJ walks to a different beat. I've followed his exploits and his detractors for some time. He strides right in where others fear to tread, does the deed and lives to tell the tale. And he will tell the tale even when many of us think he has lost his mind. I have some measure of respect for that.

I can relate to what JJ did, going on a recon expedition.

Really? You would go meet an unknown that you THOUGHT might be a minor that another provider that supposedly knew her refused to vouch for?

I could have done the same myself, and made the same decision to bail if I saw those red flags. He did not bail inlight of any ofthe warning signs outside of a provider expecting to get paid up front.... What is the community's current view on when to pay a provider?

How Summers got her verified status would be very telling...... Yes. It would

I'm inclined to give JJ the benefit of doubt, but I'll wait to see what else Summer has to say...... Originally Posted by Beagle

I can understand giving him the benefit of the doubt. If it was Mokoa I would be looking for a guillotine and auctioning off the right to pull the lever to pother members.......

But in the same situation if I was in that room and a lady was asking me for money up front..... I would say thank-you and leave......

There has to be more to the story of how she got to that point.

If a 2nd lady were to have experienced the same thing now.... it would not bode well at all...

What say you Ladies of ECCIE? Anyone out there that has experienced JJ soliciting a free session that is willing to step up here publicly?

Or any other member? Step up and tell your story....