Some questions for WestCoastWendi.....

Lots of crazy in this thread... To the question above, note the bold... Providers and hobbyists alike have the RIGHT to change their name and not have it affiliated with a previous guested account.

Sorry Man but you are wrong again..... Your assumption is actually not true. Hence why all editing in this case has ceased and these threads stand and the connections continue to be made.

Has happened and will probably still happen. The reason doesn't matter. Period. I won't speculate why because that'd be unfair. I know someone who changed handles due to RL exposure and we've all seen others who have done it to deceive or walk away from a bad rep.
Originally Posted by Netx9

See Guideline #28

Anyone , at anytime, can ask to cancel/disable their account. GUESTING an account, which removes the prior name, is typically an action taken by someone with some serious security concern and requires an explanation made with the request.

If someone GUESTS their account and wants to return with a name change they need to request and explain that as well. They MAY be required to wait out a 90 day grace period.

It is unfortunate but sometimes rules get made up when a situation comes up that a mod hasn't dealt with before.. We see it over and over......

Staff often does things they are not supposed to do. When drawn to the attention of the Owner it seldom stands. This is one of those common misunderstandings that you and a lot of others, including the Mods and some Admins do not understand....

Staff is never to help ANYONE shield themselves from a negative reputation they had earned. Even with an authorized name change, when their reputation catches up with them they get no special treatment. New name? It does not matter.

The protection from the Staff only comes if they had to ditch the previous handle due to some urgent security crisis such as being outed or something of that nature.

The staff here has no RIGHT and no obligation whatsoever to prevent the previous persona from being revealed to others in any manner especially when revealing the past identity would be in the best interests of the members.

See Guideline #28

Anyone , at anytime, can ask to cancel/disable their account. GUESTING an account, which removes the prior name, is typically an action taken by someone with some serious security concern and requires an explanation made with the request.

If someone GUESTS their account and wants to return with a name change they need to request and explain that as well. They MAY be required to wait out a 90 day grace period.

It is unfortunate but sometimes rules get made up when a situation comes up that a mod hasn't dealt with before.. We see it over and over......

Staff often does things they are not supposed to do. When drawn to the attention of the Owner it seldom stands. This is one of those common misunderstandings that you and a lot of others, including the Mods and some Admins do not understand....

Staff is never to help ANYONE shield themselves from a negative reputation they had earned. Even with an authorized name change, when their reputation catches up with them they get no special treatment. New name? It does not matter.

The protection from the Staff only comes if they had to ditch the previous handle due to some urgent security crisis such as being outed or something of that nature.

The staff here has no RIGHT and no obligation whatsoever to prevent the previous persona from being revealed to others in any manner especially when revealing the past identity would be in the best interests of the members. Originally Posted by Whispers

You mean this one?

#28 - At any time, you may ask to cancel/disable your account here for any reason, or "guest" your account for security reasons . Please submit your request to the staff and include the reason for the request so we may better assist you. In cases where you are asking for your posts or threads to be removed, you will need to submit a list of URL links to the posts you have specified for removal. We will attempt to assist in these cases, but please understand that this process takes time, and due to the amount of work involved, no timeframe or deadline will be given for completion of this task. Additionally, should you wish to return to the board under a different username at a later date, this must be done only after first making contact with staff and receiving staff blessing. (in some cases, a 90-day grace period will be assessed before issuing a new account) At that point, we will be be happy to assist you with the transition.

So your assumption implicit in the original post referring to a previously registered member and the johnny yanks reference to her re-creation... Which was to a guested account - is that it wasn't done for security reasons per the GL? Special treatment bc no 90 day wait? Seems pretty shady on your part to not give the benefit of the doubt that it was done for security reasons and draw attention, albeit not stating it outright and letting others do it for you, and start a thread with sensational or controversial accusations.

As for the lack of rules against associations to old handles, there are a number of cases and rules that aren't written but seemingly enforced and allowed to stand. Warnings and infractions were given and posts edited when comments were made relating a new handle to a former mod. When a provider retires or leaves the board, mods often edit posts that mention them. I don't see that written?

Your last couple of paragraphs of what the staff is supposed to or not supposed to do also isn't written anywhere.... The part about "urgent security crisis" is also overstating the guideline which simply says "security reasons".

You're apparently well versed in gl 28 and know the reason for guesting is security related but still want to draw attention to it... Tacky. You're a fan of hypothetical.... What if there was a legit security or safety reason for a name change and your attention seeking post results in something less than desirable??

How much responsibility would you take for in part, facilitating those connections to be made?

Most members know that a request for a guested handle for a nuclear reason will almost always assure them of getting what they ask for. Modtardville rarely goes into (not a guarantee) the history of the member in making the decision. The member is usually taken at their word.

That protection is not absolute. The member bares the responsibility to present themselves in a way that does not draw attention to themselves in regard to their previous handle. If a members returns to behavior that drew attention to themselves previously, that onus is on them.

It is a dangerous game for all involved. Because, the members involved allow their actions to be judged by modtards who are dealing with perception and interpretation. If you are lucky, you get a modtard more interested in getting it right than one who wants to make a statement.

Whisper's whining about Mokoa aside, you have a group of modtards who seem to be interested in getting it right.

The lesson here is if you want to escape your past, you have to leave it behind........ijs

Now hypothetically since I don't want anyone to get butthurt ,

If someone was extremely worried about the safety of their families or just themself why would coming back under a different name offer any sort of protection?

Let's say I felt there was a real life threat from someone associated to eccie would changing my hair color and still posting in san Antonio keep me safe. Probably not. How many of you here think you would still recognize me if I dyed my hair and blurred my face? How long would it be until someone came over and recognized me from a social or realized I was wearing all the same lingerie as my last online persona?

Would I really have the right to be upset with anyone here for realizing it was me? If they didn't know my personal situation and were just pointing out odd similarities would that be their fault? Mine?

Its like going into the witness protection program and then putting on a wig and applying for a job with your precious employer and expecting nobody to notice.

If shits so bad you fear for your personal safety why would u stay here period? Sorry but if I felt me and my daughter were at risk I would be gone in a flash period. No more nikki. How silly would I be to become let's say West Side Vikki and get butthurt when u realize its me?

So your assumption implicit in the original post referring to a previously registered member and the johnny yanks reference to her re-creation... Which was to a guested account - is that it wasn't done for security reasons per the GL?

Correct. Leading up to her guesting she was announcing she was leaving the board for a day job and was caught misbehaving and had tarnished her reputation in a variety of ways. She reappeared just a few days later and has posted in the same style and manner using pictures she used in the past to get attention. That would be the conclusion I drew.

Special treatment bc no 90 day wait? The 90 day wait is not always required. I know of members gone 1 day and back the next when done for a serious security concern She gets no special protection unless the change was for a security concern. One might think that someone concerned for their security/safety would not grandstand and would be cautious to recreate an image and use different pictures...... they might not be here daily screaming LOOK AT ME....

Seems pretty shady on your part to not give the benefit of the doubt that it was done for security reasons and draw attention, albeit not stating it outright and letting others do it for you, and start a thread with sensational or controversial accusations.

Take a look at the timeline sir..... The attention was already drawn, edits were being made and members were being warned they were crossways with the guidelines. Those warnings were incorrect. Before I posted the thread I asked questions of staff and members and received a few responses.

As for the lack of rules against associations to old handles, there are a number of cases and rules that aren't written but seemingly enforced and allowed to stand.

They are allowed to incorrectly stand when a member is not concerned enough to first take it to an Admin and then an Owner if they believe their position is correct. There is a reason why I have ZERO points. I challenge incorrect decisions made by MODs or Admins. In the long run it helps staff learn things they did not know. In this particular instance I believe a few staff members now know something they previously just assumed.

Warnings and infractions were given and posts edited when comments were made relating a new handle to a former mod. When a provider retires or leaves the board, mods often edit posts that mention them. I don't see that written?

Warnings and infractions and edits occur everyday sir. Not all should be but if no one cares to raise an issue then you will not see it otherwise.

Your last couple of paragraphs of what the staff is supposed to or not supposed to do also isn't written anywhere.... The part about "urgent security crisis" is also overstating the guideline which simply says "security reasons".

You are correct. None the less they are very accurate statements....

You're apparently well versed in gl 28 and know the reason for guesting is security related but still want to draw attention to it...

I did not draw attention to it until it was incorrectly cited as a reson to issue warnings or give special consideration to a member..... The First edits were done and warnings issued by a MOD incorrectly citing Guideline #5... Later in exchanges with MODs and an Admin Guideline #28 was raised.

Guideline #28 lays out a procedure for the change... It does not address in anyway why an infraction occurs if a member unknowingly links the new name to the old..... In many cases it is an innocent misunderstanding...... It surely does not typically result in a MOD issuing official warnings.....

ALL Edits SHOULD carry an explanation of why there WAS an edit made. In the case of these edits there was none. Simply another reason to ask questions.

Tacky. You're a fan of hypothetical.... None of this was hypothetical.. The fact that YOU are not aware of things does not make it so...

What if there was a legit security or safety reason for a name change and your attention seeking post results in something less than desirable??

I am a little more careful about the nature of my posts Sir and typically I have all the facts before stepping out there But to answer "What if" ...well... This thread would have been edited and shutdown long ago wouldn't you think?

How much responsibility would you take for in part, facilitating those connections to be made? Originally Posted by Netx9

I have made a mistake a time or two and admitted it when I did....

I know you like to champion a lady sir but you really should catch up and know the facts before doing so.... A lady using pictures that identify her from before and grandstanding is NOT concerned about her "security"....

You are posting an awful lot of "What ifs"..... I don't typically make the kind of mistakes you suggest and there are 14 years of 20,000+ posts here and on ASPD before as well as other boards around the country where I've never done so to support my contentions....

Whisper's whining about Mokoa aside, you have a group of modtards who seem to be interested in getting it right. Originally Posted by dearhunter

hmmmmmm......... I NEVER mentioned Mokoa by name here!


But now that YOU brought him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ahh heck.... I'll leave the poor guy alone for a while......

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Now hypothetically since I don't want anyone to get butthurt ,

If someone was extremely worried about the safety of their families or just themself why would coming back under a different name offer any sort of protection?

Let's say I felt there was a real life threat from someone associated to eccie would changing my hair color and still posting in san Antonio keep me safe. Probably not. How many of you here think you would still recognize me if I dyed my hair and blurred my face? How long would it be until someone came over and recognized me from a social or realized I was wearing all the same lingerie as my last online persona?

Would I really have the right to be upset with anyone here for realizing it was me? If they didn't know my personal situation and were just pointing out odd similarities would that be their fault? Mine?

Its like going into the witness protection program and then putting on a wig and applying for a job with your precious employer and expecting nobody to notice.

If shits so bad you fear for your personal safety why would u stay here period? Sorry but if I felt me and my daughter were at risk I would be gone in a flash period. No more nikki. How silly would I be to become let's say West Side Vikki and get butthurt when u realize its me? Originally Posted by NikkiWhite

All right who hi-jack this account? You go girly! Bravo!

For reasons just mentioned and the several Look At Me, Look At Me COED ThreADS.....

"She Is" Always On My Mind