Amy Winehouse, dead at 27

Hey I see DD is back from vacation paradise...hope it was a good one.

First off, especially if one has spent much time in the hobby world, this is a very sad,
but unfortunately not usual situation (and no I'm not saying all providers have this problem!)

I lost a very close provider friend years ago under similiar circumstances. No one can help those with these type of addicitions until the person themselve chooses to right their ship. It was a very difficult lesson for me to learn, but after seeing her pass (and with a beautiful 3 month baby) I learn, like many have said here...there is no way you can "will them" into recovery.

Now with that said, should anyone be surprise with this death....NO!

Should anyone put the blame on things going on in her personal life has being
a reason....NO

But, and it took me losing someone very close to me to understand, this a very sad and tragic story at a number of different levels.

For those of you who are pontificating about placing your own moral sense of self righteous...you must live in a very small world (boy
I really wanted to say a whole lot more than that).

And thinking someone who has fame and money should somehow be held at a different level of accountability, no way. Money is a
terrible enabler to someone who falls to an addicition...not some magical cure.

And B4 I get jumped upon....I am not saying she was this helpless victim. She was the one that made the poor choices to turn to drugs.
She was the one, who continue to not seek re-hab (despite her resources). She was the one who would not listen to her love ones who
I am sure tried there best to turn her life around.

I am not saying...poor Amy, by any means. But to view this as anything short of a sad story to me would make you nothing more...errrr best stop there, as I'll probably get points by starting to point fingers and espress my real thoughts about those of you riding your high horses. Originally Posted by vkmaster

Spoken quite fabulously. TY

Can't say that her death surprised me. Wasn't a fan and had never listened to her music before. Went on Youtube and listened to some of her songs and I'll have to say I was impressed with her. I think the music industry has lost a unique individual. Unlike some of the manufactured stars the industry spits out. Listened to some Lady Gaga and I actually liked her also. Hope she doesn't succumb to the same fate.

Had a good friend who I used to party with all the time. At some point I decided I couldn't continue that lifestyle and pretty much quit. He continued and ended up going thru several rehab centers before he finally quit his addictions. He had an all or nothing attitude and I think that had a lot to do with his problem. The misery he put his family and his friends thru was substantial. I was beginning to think that should his problem lead to his death, it might be for the better of everyone involved with him. Thankfully he got his shit together and now has a family and a great job and is enjoying life.

Well said COG.

Under control, it's considered recreational and fun.
When they overindulge, it becomes an illness.
The difference is that people CHOOSE to use drugs, alcohol, etc.
They DO NOT choose to be ill with cancer, heart disease, flu,
diabetes, or to be mentally ill. Originally Posted by vitokc

"The existence of alcoholism as a disease is accepted by some within the medical and scientific communities,[2] although critics exist. The American Medical Association (AMA) had declared that alcoholism was an illness in 1956. In 1991, The AMA further endorsed the dual classification of alcoholism by the International Classification of Diseases under both psychiatric and medical sections." <--------------Read carefully
...people do not choose to have addictive tendencies

Oh and one more thing...Records report that cancer is often caused by smoking and having an unhealthy diet. so Yeah....SOME people do choose to have cancer...but I don't see anyone protesting the fact that they are ill is sad.
hmmm.

Oh and one more thing...Records report that cancer is often caused by smoking and having an unhealthy diet. so Yeah....SOME people do choose to have cancer...but I don't see anyone protesting the fact that they are ill is sad.
hmmm. Originally Posted by topnotchmassage

The people who smoke and end up with lung cancer take a risk and they know that risk. So, your statement is probably true for smokers.

For those who end up with a different type of cancer, its not caused by smoking or unhealthy diets. Doctors still don't know how certain types of cancer are developed. They know of some main risks, but there's not one doctor out there who can say for certain they know the causes of every type of cancer.

It is not really that important to me to research, copy and paste to justify
my opinion. Since it is an opinion, no proof is required.
The decision to begin is a personal decision.
Many people beat this and live normal lives.
Many working class people who are not rich or famous overcome this.
I just don't feel an ounce of sympathy or sadness for
celebrities who go through this. Her death has no impact
on my life at all. Btw, I read she may have been dead for
6 hours before she was found. So her death sounds similar
to any other addict. Makes you wonder where were all
her supporters who mourned her this morning. Adios.

heh well I guess it's a major coincidence...because your opinion "has no impact
on my life at all." I will still always value the life of any human being...for what(even if miniscule) humanity and decency they possessed.
BTW
"Many working class people" also suffer and die from the disease.
"Adios"

[quote=topnotchmassage;1508447]heh well I guess it's a major coincidence...because your opinion "has no impact
on my life at all."
quote]

Now that is a fact, because it's true for me also.
Agree!

well, Glad we can agree on something.