Meanwhile, back in Arizona...

The fatal flaw, being here legally does not make you a citizen with voting rights. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

True but the validation process does not begin and end with the submission of an application. There are people in the voting district who are responsible for ensuring that those submitting the application are U.S. citizens. As I showed, the Texas application asks for nothing more than a driver's license # on the application as proof as to who you are.

All investigation into such incidences of voter fraud have shown such fraud to be negligible.

Fact check: Claim that voting noncitizens affected 2020 election outcome is unverified

Our rating: Missing context

We rate this claim MISSING CONTEXT, because it could mislead without additional context. The claim that voter turnout from noncitizens affected the popular vote in the 2020 presidential race in battleground states is plausible but unproven. Voting in federal elections is reserved for U.S. citizens and few noncitizens knowingly register to vote. Just Facts Daily's research into how many noncitizens could have voted relies on unverifiable estimates.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/6237115002/

Fact-check: Do states verify U.S. citizenship as a condition for voting?

"Most Americans would also be shocked to learn that no state in the country verifies United States citizenship as a condition for voting in federal elections," Trump said in his 46-minute speech overflowing with falsehoods about voter fraud. "This is a national disgrace."

Trump has made false statements about noncitizen voters since his 2016 campaign, relying on faulty evidence. He’s revived the talking point in the weeks since the Nov. 3 election, which he lost to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden.

In this case, he has a point that the federal form that registers someone to vote doesn’t require documentation to show proof of citizenship. But Trump left out the efforts by many states to cross-check their records with available data to avoid this problem.

Some states have permission to use a federal resource of data, called the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, or SAVE, for the purposes of verifying that voter registration applicants are citizens. Implemented in 1987 and administered by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, SAVE was originally intended to verify eligibility for government benefits, such as Medicaid. SAVE is not a database of people who are U.S. citizens, but it will show a person’s immigration or citizenship status.

Arizona and Colorado election officials told us that they use SAVE. Florida tried, but it did not go well.

Our ruling

Trump said, "No state in the country verifies United States citizenship as a condition for voting in federal elections."

The kernel of truth here is that the federal form to register to vote doesn’t require documentation to prove citizenship. But applicants who use that federal form, or register using state forms, must attest to being citizens. Voter registration forms warn applicants that signing the form with false information is a crime. There have been scattered cases of non-citizens who cast ballots, but among millions of votes cast they are statistically rare.

Your interpretation of "negligible" is just your opinion and how much is negligible to you. We're talking about election outcomes measured in the tenths of a percentage point. That sounds pretty un negligible to me.

Since a full scale forensic audit is rare, there is no real way that anyone can say with any certainty that voter fraud is "statistically rare".

I've simply stopped caring what some people on this board post. Multiple posts per day extolling paranoid fantasies about rigged voting, how the public is being lied to by the MSM (not counting fox news), and the misogyny against Kamala Harris, AOC, and Ilhan Omar. You can't argue against crazy so maybe you should just stop trying. And let me tell you. Some of the posts in the political forum are simply that. CRAZY!!!!! Originally Posted by txdot-guy

True that. Some people have too much time on their hands. Get a life people! Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Listen to you two rays of sunshine giving each other a reach around. Very touching (literally I'm sure). Hard to imagine either of you have time to even post your ministry of truth propaganda from your fact checkers.

But here's an idea; how about ya'll manage your time and others manage their own. Here's a prescient song describing time management and who manages whom's time.

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It’s gonna be 117 in Phoenix today. Fuck that.

It’s gonna be 117 in Phoenix today. Fuck that. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

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"Since a full scale forensic audit is rare, there is no real way that anyone can say with any certainty that voter fraud is "statistically rare"."

Utilizing the same logic, the converse applies as well.

Not saying that it's not true which is why the audit is necessary.

Audit. Lol. Are they still trying to call that farce an audit? AZ Republicans are so embarrassed by that trash.

Your interpretation of "negligible" is just your opinion and how much is negligible to you. We're talking about election outcomes measured in the tenths of a percentage point. That sounds pretty un negligible to me.

Since a full scale forensic audit is rare, there is no real way that anyone can say with any certainty that voter fraud is "statistically rare". Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Like Bambino, you are unable to tell me how the Arizona "forensic audit" differs from any other audit. 3 recounts in Georgia, the last being a hand recount. All voters verified. I'm not sure if a single vote changed. No fraud found.

"Negligible" means similar to fraud that has shown up in previous elections, which is an amount that would invalidate a handful of votes, not 10,000. Never came close to happening before.

In a very short time the counting will be done in Arizona by Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello and Raphael and whatever other Teenage "Ninja" Mutant Turtles are conducting the "forensic audit". They are being paid to find something, anything, that would inidicate election fraud. Then, depending on the results, there will be an UNBIASED audit of the BIASED audit. Only when that is complete will we know the answer.

Like Bambino, you are unable to tell me how the Arizona "forensic audit" differs from any other audit. 3 recounts in Georgia, the last being a hand recount. All voters verified. I'm not sure if a single vote changed. No fraud found.

"Negligible" means similar to fraud that has shown up in previous elections, which is an amount that would invalidate a handful of votes, not 10,000. Never came close to happening before.

In a very short time the counting will be done in Arizona by Leonardo, Michelangelo, Donatello and Raphael and whatever other Teenage "Ninja" Mutant Turtles are conducting the "forensic audit". They are being paid to find something, anything, that would inidicate election fraud. Then, depending on the results, there will be an UNBIASED audit of the BIASED audit. Only when that is complete will we know the answer. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Research it yourself. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different reasult. If you count the same fraudulent ballots thru the same fraudulent machines, you’ll get the same results. Jesus tap dancing Christ. Apply common sense.

Research it yourself. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different reasult. If you count the same fraudulent ballots thru the same fraudulent machines, you’ll get the same results. Jesus tap dancing Christ. Apply common sense. Originally Posted by bambino

especially, when they cannot find the ballots that supposedly match the totals.

this raises the question of the election officials integrity on this issue.

I think they did a fake audit and presented it as official result.

why would they be fighting against an independent audit.

in georgia, theres some talk of firing a number of election officials on grounds of (supposed) incompetence.

The level of dumbness it takes for Trumpys and election fraud believers is amazing. I’ve read stupid from Trumpys for 4 years but it’s gone to a new level of stupid. I suspect there’s no word for it.

Maybe we’ll create a new term. “How dumb is that guy?”
He’s Trumpy dumb.

We will all know how stupid that would make him/her.

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PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
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BEDMINSTER, NJ

Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America.

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Research it yourself. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different reasult. If you count the same fraudulent ballots thru the same fraudulent machines, you’ll get the same results. Jesus tap dancing Christ. Apply common sense. Originally Posted by bambino

So for about the 10th time I ask you-- what is being done in the "forensic audit" in Arizona that is different from other audits that will show up any voter fraud? The fact is you don't know.

A hand recount of the 2.1 million votes in Maricopa County is either complete or just about complete. This count, as was done in Georgia, will be matched against the tallies from the machines. The counts will match or come close to matching. Maybe a few votes will change. Voter registration will be verified to ensure only registered voters voted. This is SOP. What else you got?