Oh D, please go back and read the original statement then re-check your facts. That 38% you're talking about is mostly attributable to community college enrollments, not four-year institutions. I believe this is the source from where you pulled that data, and once again you apparently failed to actually read it."This new peak in college enrollment has come in the midst of a recession that has driven the national unemployment rate to its highest level in more than a quarter of a century and has had an especially harsh impact on young adults. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, a smaller share of 16- to 24-year-olds were employed in September 2009 — 46.1% — than at any time since the government began collecting such data in 1948.
Community college enrollments have long been considered somewhat countercyclical; that is, they tend to rise as the economy worsens (Betts and McFarland, 1995). One reason is that community colleges are less expensive than four-year institutions — they average $6,750 per year (including tuition, fees, and room and board) in the net price for full-time students, compared with $9,800 for four-year public colleges and $21,240 for four-year private colleges (College Board, 2009).2"
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2009/...college-surge/
Funny how you "self-edit" the above in order to prove your point, a point which is then disputed by your very own source. Allow me to quote the paragraph that immediately followed the one you quoted above:
"Despite the higher costs of four-year institutions, their enrollments have not dropped during this recession. Rather, they have held steady — and have been able to do so despite tuition increases averaging 4.9% per year beyond general inflation from 1999-2000 to 2009-10 at public four-year colleges and universities (College Board, 2009)."
Gotta hate it when your own source disputes your assertions or when a poster actually checks your source and finds the facts your convenient self-editing left out. 
Point is, "enrollment" in a community college has nothing to do with what we're talking about, and certainly not what was reflected in my original post. According to your source, most of these enrollments are actually occurring because these folks are unable to find work!
Here's some more statistics you refuse to pay attention to: On average, 70% of community college attendees never complete any degree, much less transfer to a four-year instituion. Maybe you consider dropping out of community college as actually obtaining a higher education, but I don't. Maybe the term "college" is just a little to vague for you, so for sake of clarification let's just stick to obtainment of a four-year degree from an accredited university as a base for further discussion.
If anything, your information continues to confirm exactly what I already stated. So thanks, I guess.
Originally Posted by F-Sharp
Oh "F", I have suspected for some time that you and TAE could be one and the same. Your tactics and posting styles certainly are similar. When either of you is confronted with facts you try to ridicule or outright LIE about what the OP said or the sources he posted from.
Apparently YOU are the one with reading comprehension issues F-Sharp. I named my source repeatedly and it was NOT "pew social trends". So you obtained data from somewhere completely different and then attribute it to me? Really? Is that how hit works now? So to sum it up:
1. That is NOT where I got my facts from
2. If you actually can figure out how to read then check the link that I will provide to my source of facts. You will see my data included community colleges but certainly wasn't limited to ONLY community colleges as you allege. So basically, all the above that you attributed to me is BS and has nothing to do with the percentages I posted.
Here it is AGAIN:
(Since you couldn't comprehend the words "NATIONAL CENTER FOR EDUCATION STATISTICS)
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
Pay attention to this part:
"Enrollment in degree-granting postsecondary institutions increased by 9 percent between 1989 and 1999. Between 1999 and 2009, enrollment increased 38 percent, from 14.8 million to 20.4 million. Much of the growth between 1999 and 2009 was in full-time enrollment; the number of full-time students rose 45 percent, while the number of part-time students rose 28 percent. During the same time period, the number of enrolled females rose 40 percent, while the number of enrolled males rose 35 percent. Enrollment increases can be affected by both population growth and rising rates of enrollment. Between 1999 and 2009, the number of 18- to 24-year-olds increased from 26.7 million to 30.4 million, an increase of 14 percent, and the percentage of 18- to 24-year-olds enrolled in college rose from 36 percent in 1999 to 41 percent in 2009.
In addition to enrollment in accredited 2-year colleges, 4-year colleges,
and universities, about 472,000 students attended non-degree-granting, Title IV1 eligible postsecondary institutions in fall 2008."
Hey Genius, see the part where it states "in addition to enrollment in accredited 2 year colleges, 4 year colleges and universities"? That would mean the data before it included all those schools NOT simply community colleges.
No need to thank me really, it would be enough just to see you get your facts straight. That's reward enough for me!
1.Undergraduate
enrollment at the
University of Michigan-Dearborn for 2009-2010 is
up.
2.Brandon
University enrollment is
up for
2009-10
3.Michigan State University saw a slight increase in the enrollment of minority students for the 2008-09 academic year, according to the Diversity and Inclusion at MSU annual progress report.
4.
AUSTIN- Huston-Tillotson University officials announced a
12 percent increase in enrollment (2009) from last year and the highest enrollment since the 1952 merger.
Come on F-Sharp, PLEASE tell us that Austin has a 12% increase in the number of African-Americans living in Austin in 2009. But wait....the hits keep coming....
5. Penn State-
University-wide
enrollment up slightly for 2010
6. University of Nebraska-2009
NU enrollment highest in 13 years;
up for 5th consecutive year.
7. 2009
University of Idaho student
enrollment up 3 percent
8. Hispanic
enrollment up nationwide, reaches 23% at
UT (University of Texas)
9.Total enrollment in spring 2009 increased slightly for Hispanic and African American students compared to the 2008 spring semester at The University of Texas at Austin. African American student enrollment for spring 2009 is 2,093
up 4.2 percent!
10. My fingers are getting tired already...do I really need to keep going here F-Sharp?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...010_enrollment
Let's sum this up. First you claim that a university education is out of reach for most lower and middle class Americans. When I call BS based on personal experience you mock that.
So next I produce figures that show nationwide enrollment in colleges is UP. You again mock those figures by saying they apply only to "Community Colleges" that have nothing to do with the discussion.
So now I provide facts and proof that overall enrollment nationwide is
UP at
Universities including right here in Austin where Huston-Tillotson University saw the largest increase in enrollment
since 1952 for the predominantly African-American University. At the University of Texas there has been a slight increase in overall enrollment over the last 3 years and a 4.2% increase in African-American enrollment for 2009. Hispanic enrollment nationwide is up at the major Universities.
The icing on the cake? Your
OWN SOURCE, the Pew Research Center states that DESPITE the recession and the rising college costs, enrollment at
public four-year colleges and universities has remained steady!
Yes, please F-Sharp, enlighten us some more with your intellect and insight on the matter of higher education enrollment in our Country!
I can help put that out for you F-Sharp if you'd like me to. Got the perfect fire extinguisher...
Originally Posted by DTorrchia
