Verify Him

So there is some stand taking. Hmmm. Here is the issue Mr Monk. You won't give up personal info? Yet you went from newbie to having references. Which means your refs don't screen. So, for us paranoid ladies, you don't have any valid refs. You just put a lid on your options. I am super newbie friendly, because I do research. A lot of it. And maybe some people are dumb enough to fall for a fake receptionist but it is really pretty basic to check the business first. The amount of prep work involved in creating a fake business that will pass a check guarantees that it won't happen. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

My point exactly, in another thread.

As for the issue of the OP (Verify Him) I don't find it of little value (as others have stated), I find it worthless. To call it a tool for a private investigator would be an insult to any investigator.

So there is some stand taking. Hmmm. Here is the issue Mr Monk. You won't give up personal info? Yet you went from newbie to having references. Which means your refs don't screen. So, for us paranoid ladies, you don't have any valid refs. You just put a lid on your options. I am super newbie friendly, because I do research. A lot of it. And maybe some people are dumb enough to fall for a fake receptionist but it is really pretty basic to check the business first. The amount of prep work involved in creating a fake business that will pass a check guarantees that it won't happen. And it is really silly to call verifyhim a PI tool. This has been around for a while, I'm guessing these girls don't hve PR access. I've looked at it and found it be of little value. But it isn't hard or expensive to dig up a birthdate either. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

I didn't call verify him a PI tool, Bambii said she uses a PI tool and didn't give the name. That is what I was talking about. From there I was screened by my first provider who I was referred to by people on here. So I was screened, and used her as a reference which will and has allowed me to see anothe provider. Would it make everyone involved feel better if I simply signed up for P411? If that is what it takes I would do it, but when a provider wants to use a PI site as she stated she used it means she wants my info and that concerns me a little bit. While maybe I took too hard of a stand, I am just shocked someone would want to use a PI site.

I still maintain I would like to see different providers, and again I say if I have to have p411 to see you for example SG I would set it up.

My point exactly, in another thread.

As for the issue of the OP (Verify Him) I don't find it of little value (as others have stated), I find it worthless. To call it a tool for a private investigator would be an insult to any investigator. Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

I don't know what PI's use, and she is the one that said she used a PI tool be it her calling that site a PI tool or not I had no clue about it.

Oh and the OP said later all she wants is a reference and an email addy so I don't know why she would even say she used a PI program or whatever. Just saying everything about the OP sounded fishy to me and a lot of others because it was brought up in length in private.

Much ado about nothing. Getting verified is only a problem for newbies. You suffer through it for a while and then - - you have REFERENCES! Life is good again!

I didn't call verify him a PI tool, Bambii said she uses a PI tool and didn't give the name. That is what I was talking about. From there I was screened by my first provider who I was referred to by people on here. So I was screened, and used her as a reference which will and has allowed me to see anothe provider. Would it make everyone involved feel better if I simply signed up for P411? If that is what it takes I would do it, but when a provider wants to use a PI site as she stated she used it means she wants my info and that concerns me a little bit. While maybe I took too hard of a stand, I am just shocked someone would want to use a PI site.

I still maintain I would like to see different providers, and again I say if I have to have p411 to see you for example SG I would set it up. Originally Posted by KenMonk

She screened but you gave her no real info? Not fucking valid. I will never see you because i do not trust your references and I don't trust you.

She screened but you gave her no real info? Not fucking valid. I will never see you because i do not trust your references and I don't trust you. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

lol well good for me I guess.

You started this thread off with posting information about using a site that a PI would use. In order to effectively use a site such as this you need a certain amount of information. That screams paranoia to the extreme simply because you would need at least a full name and date of birth. That right there is enough to commit identify theft to say the least. That is my main concern and this was brought up in private so I am not the only one. I am simply the only one taking a stand on it.
I also stated yet again I want to be screened, but at what point is it too far? You said yourself you use a PI site then say that you only ask for one reference and an email addy? Which is it? If I wanted to see you tomorrow night would I have a chance, or would I need to give out a ton of information? You are sending mixed signals is all I am saying. Not to mention the track record as of late of the individuals you have associated yourself well is shady at best.
That is the perceived view of the hobbyist around here at least. Originally Posted by KenMonk

First of all my friend.... READ!!!
Now I apologize if I gave the wrong impression but I said
Not a danggon thing about Verif Him being a site that PI's use I said I have a totally different software
ok, totally different program I use that was given to me from a regular of mine
whom is a PI... get it right my friend.

And further more How do you know what
is needed to screen??? You dont ok and Im willing to
lay money down on it! Y O U DO NOT KNOW, becuz if
you did, you would know the form used on verify him..
Now as of having a leg to stand on discussing whom's name
I posted in the thread? You dont & that is completely irrelevant
and frankly IDGAF what you think ask anyone that knows
me well "SHE REALLY ISNT CONCERNED WITH WHAT YOU THINK OR SAY ABOUT HER!!!
And thats real.

So there is some stand taking. Hmmm. Here is the issue Mr Monk. You won't give up personal info? Yet you went from newbie to having references. Which means your refs don't screen. So, for us paranoid ladies, you don't have any valid refs. You just put a lid on your options. I am super newbie friendly, because I do research. A lot of it. And maybe some people are dumb enough to fall for a fake receptionist but it is really pretty basic to check the business first. The amount of prep work involved in creating a fake business that will pass a check guarantees that it won't happen. And it is really silly to call verifyhim a PI tool. This has been around for a while, I'm guessing these girls don't hve PR access. I've looked at it and found it be of little value. But it isn't hard or expensive to dig up a birthdate either. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

THANK YOU HUNNI...
Very valid point made

I was simply promoting this thread as instructed to by verify him

Seriously???? And you are actually doing it...

I hope that if I told anyone to go post promotion threads for P411, those people would tell me to go kiss their ass and light me up on the boards for shilling.

A good service doesn't need contrived (or purchased) accolades, the natural feedback will always speak for itself.

Sincerely,
Gina

Gina,

I'll go promote P411 all over the board and others for points.

Gina,

I'll go promote P411 all over the board and others for points. Originally Posted by MsElena

Voice of reason

Seriously???? And you are actually doing it...

I hope that if I told anyone to go post promotion threads for P411, those people would tell me to go kiss their ass and light me up on the boards for shilling.

A good service doesn't need contrived (or purchased) accolades, the natural feedback will always speak for itself.

Sincerely,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Yea seriously I did!!!

Last time I checked I could do WTF i wanted to do! 2 its one of 5 choices I
picked in exchange for free credits..
Im done explaining my self I have to get ready for work damn!
lol

Well, while we are all high fiving each other on the level of security we all generate I'll echo Dirty Dog's point, though I doubt the following points are unappreciated or unknown. The verification processes discussed here are a combination of risk reduction and probability you are really relying upon. Just because a service or internet servers are here or there in other countries, don't believe that you can't be tracked down or otherwise located by the government, or that they wouldn't do it, or that the number of customers or such things would in any way deter them. For one thing, doing so could easily be done by law enforcement technicians with little real effort beyond batch processing.

Gina's measures may be effective low tech to a certain extent, but it would in no way derail what I note. (Remember that friendly email reminder, and there is that pesky metadata that is never quite as gone as you like, especially on telephone/internet equipment?) Nor would being located in Canada--especially Canada--help you out. Cross border collaborations in the age of terrorism is now routine, and we have a myriad of relationships, not the least of which are by treaty, to obtain and coordinate all of that.

You may recall a few years ago how the U.S. captured and charged the owner of an international internet gambling business. Then there is extraordinary rendition. Manuel Noriega--no problem. There he sits in Federal prison in Florida. We have the Patriot Act, secret courts for approving secret search warrants, and dozens of other laws that have robbed us of our freedom and privacy while most if us sat by espousing platitudes about things where the ends justify the means.

Thank you, George Bush, and the cry babies of the world, but that us what we got for a sense of false security. And what you got--and get--is 'hand me your papers'. Sounds just a bit 'Sieg heil!' to me, and it is, but in the end what it means is the government can get you with routine effort if they want to, unless you are clear off the grid and never use the mail while being accurate and prompt in reporting your actual income and filing tax returns. A country with the ability at will to extend its forces throughout the world, to invade regionally powerful forces and dispose of them in mere days and hours, and which not even the Soviet Union could dispatch after 45 years of determined effort can sure find you if they want.

Hey bartipero....can't really deny alot of what you say in your post. Without question our privacy is not even close to what it used to be.

But at the same time....despite all the powers-that-be, and despite the Noriegas (did he actually get release back to Panama recently?) and international gambling busts.

Let's keep our perspective in check. Hobblyland is what it is, it has it's risk.

But as long as "prohibited items" nor kid stuff involved US Fed intelligence has far bigger fish to fry.

Definitely not saying we play risk-free we don't. But let's not all get too parinod.

Again, I respect a lot (not all of it, lol) what you are saying...IMO, let's not get carried away.

Play smart, do research, stay with known solid ladies, cover your bases (like knowing a good criminal lawyer, now)...nothing is fail safe.
But neither is walking out your front door evey day.

Carried away can have various attributes, but make no mistake, they do not have bigger fish to fry, they just have different cooks for them....and a reason to cook. Phill Kline didn't become the Kansas attorney general and go after abortion clinics because they were big fish, nor did the Missouri legislature go after adult businesses as big fish. Sure, those are state examples, but doctrine in the end is the local prosecutor's choice even at the federal level, unless told otherwise--like by a bigger fish. The question becomes what clicks the lever of LE concentration on any particular day.