Bush vs. Obama

WE1911, your right, President Bush's approval rating was in the mid 30's when he left office, but just like you guys on the left always do you don't tell "the rest of the story". President Obama has taken his 65% approval rating and through his governing without regard for what the people want it is now at 44% 18 months into his time or rule. Give him a couple more months to pass the financial reform act, cap and trade, and amnasty and I am quite certain his numbers will be much lower than any President we have ever had.

I am sick of the left still blaming everything on GWB. These are the same people that said 911 was "Bush's fault" because he has been in office what 8 months? Clinton was not responsible at all, nooooo....all BUSH, 8 months. Using that same logic 18 months into Obama's rule wouldn't all this mess be his. He has spent more money in 18 months than GWB did in 8 years so grow the hell up and give me a break.

One thing people on the left seem to forget, when the government spends a trillion dollars, they have to take it from the people. Government cannot simply make and spend money without there being a price to pay, and payday is but a short time away.

Another question, why was the first thing every news cast during GWB's administration "how many deaths today in the war." Now under BO you hear nothing unless you are listening to FOX. Over 1000 of our troops have died in BO's war and nothing from the main stream press.

Finally, GWB's ratings were in the mid 30's when he left office, but as I said you fail to tell the rest of the story. Today according to a recent CBS poll they are back up to 42% since people have had time to reflect on his administration.

HMMMMM GWB - 42% BO - 44% IF GWB continues to climb and BO continues to fall as trends would suggest, GWB could make a big comeback. Another poll recently had GWB ahead of BO in who would you rather see as president.

I am a damn proud Reagan conservative. Not a republican. My voting creed this time around is.... screw you if you are an incumbent you are out of here. NO one in office is worth the risk of being a closet lib, no one in DC is listening to us. They believe they have in some way become our royalty, screw them, VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT !!!!!!!! Originally Posted by Linus

If you don't think Obama inherited a mess from Bush then I can't debate with you Obama didn't decide to invade Iraq- remember he was one of the key Senators who voted NO. The recession, bank collapse, mortgage crisis started Fall of 2008 and you still say Bush had nothing to do with it. How many jobs did Bush send overseas??? Didn't gas prices reach nearly $4 a gallon under Bush? What about Deregulations of many instutions? Was there any kind of health care protection during Bush's 8 years? No, in fact Insurance companies made record profit under Bush. Medicare Part D- did Bush pay for that? Hell No- it was a 100 billion dollar a year charged right to the defecit.
Also, you said 1000 soldiers have died since Obama took office in Obama's war? Quote me that source and if you are right I will deactivate my account from eccie and vote Republican the rest of my life!
Also, do you realize that in the 2 & 1/2 years Obama has been in office his administration has killed or captured more Al-Queada/Taliban/ and other terrorist than the 8 years under Bush??? Now I can quote my source on that issue.
Oh for the record I am Independent I vote for the candidate who I think is best for the job- I have voted for candidates across party lines for many hyears. Reagan I liked and gave credit because just like Obama he walked into a mess left by the Carter Administration, but you tell me did the gas shortage end the day Reagan came in office? Did inflation go down over night with Reagan? NO! It took Reagan some years- actually the third year Reagan's policy became effective and he did gets the country back on their feet. Reagans trickled down economics worked at that point but it's useless now the theory is dead because no one plays by those rules.
Also, you mention that you are a Reagan conservative??? My definition of a conservative is an ideology that meansa less government and less taxes- However, Reagan surely raised taxes and government grew under Reagan.
And as far as George Dubwah- he spent like a liberal and governent grew under Bush larger than any other President including Obama(to date)- even by a Republican standards Bush wasn't a conservative, but you seem just fixed on hating Obama for whatever reason. However, to be honest I wish every President the best- because my candidate doesn't win I am not going to act like a sore loser or big baby and just criticize everything about him. There are some things Obama has done that I like some that he has done that I don't like- hey that's life. However, the big thing is Obama could have really fucked up and had us in a DEPRESSION, but we are slowly improving and any economist will admit that the worst is behind us- so hey gave Obama credit for at least not getting us in a depression. Finally, Yes Obama had to pass the bailout based on the shit he was left and yes your past President Bush was responsible for it and YOU KNOW IT AND CAN'T DENY IT!!!
Look at like this- if I was the CEO of Acme Inc- and let's say under my leadership we closed 50 plants around the nation- our stocks hit rock bottom- 10,000 employees were laid off. If I resigned, quit or just basically get replaced by you- and lets say 2 & 1/2 years as CEO- you re-open 25 of those plants- re-call up 5000 of those 10,000 workers that got laid off, if the company stock starts gaining slowly but gaining and then all of a sudden I blast you because we still have 25 other plants that are still not open- still another 5000 workers that are still unemployed and our stocks are not at the gains it once was in the glory days- WOULD YOU SAY IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR ME TO PUT THE BLAME STRICTLY ON YOU KNOWING THAT WHEN YOU BECAME CEO THE COMPANY WAS IN A PILE OF SHIT??? Get my analogy? I am pretty sure in the above scenario you would immediately and rightfully say that when you took over CEO you had serious problems that were left by the previous CEO and that things are improving slowly. That's my 2 cents!!! Go USA Soccer beat GHANA today!!!!!

My definition of a conservative is an ideology that means less government and less taxes- However, Reagan surely raised taxes and government grew under Reagan.

As difficult as the post was to read (not to mention this thread), this part stood out.

1. PRESIDENTS don't raise taxes - CONGRESS does.

2. While the Republicans had a majority in the Senate, Democrats still ruled the House.

3. Reagan "inherited" economic issues and a F'd-up economy from the Carter administration.

4. Reagan absolutely hated taxes and never had any love for the IRS.

Reagan's economic policies are still debated today. It is believed that reducing excessive tax rates stimulates growth, reduces tax avoidance, and can increase the amount and share of tax payments generated by the rich. This strategy has been accepted by U.S. presidents (Dem & Rep) following Reagan's departure.

I personally believe that one cannot truly interpret the success that any presidential administration has had on our economy until years following their departure. But given my minute knowledge of economics, I still believe that deficit spending, especially trillions+trillions+trillions of dollars (1 Trillion = $1,000,000,000,000 -that's a million million dollars) is the highway to hell. One thing I learned a long, long time ago, you cannot borrow your way out of debt. Think about it.

I don't think much of our current President and thought less of him when he was a U.S. Senator. I didn't think much of "W" as Texas Governor and less as President. But I believe he is a true patriot and he executed his duties of office with that spirit.

Hopefully, enough citizens will realize the danger our country is in and make that known this November.

The left in this country distort what it means to be liberal. They believe in freedom of choice when it pertains to abortion, but not when it means rejecting a union. They believe in freedom of speech when you protest a war, but not when you criticize their pet causes. Originally Posted by friendlyguy77

I think the same can be said of the right in this country. The right constantly wrap themselves in religion while simultaneously advocating war as the only option and showing up to political rallies with firearms.

The right are the epitome of hypocrisy.

And no, I'm not a Democrat. I think the idea of political party affiliation is juvenile and turns politics into a sporting match with the idiotic masses cheering on their favorite team.

As difficult as the post was to read (not to mention this thread), this part stood out.

1. PRESIDENTS don't raise taxes - CONGRESS does.

2. While the Republicans had a majority in the Senate, Democrats still ruled the House.

3. Reagan "inherited" economic issues and a F'd-up economy from the Carter administration.

4. Reagan absolutely hated taxes and never had any love for the IRS.

Reagan's economic policies are still debated today. It is believed that reducing excessive tax rates stimulates growth, reduces tax avoidance, and can increase the amount and share of tax payments generated by the rich. This strategy has been accepted by U.S. presidents (Dem & Rep) following Reagan's departure.

I personally believe that one cannot truly interpret the success that any presidential administration has had on our economy until years following their departure. But given my minute knowledge of economics, I still believe that deficit spending, especially trillions+trillions+trillions of dollars (1 Trillion = $1,000,000,000,000 -that's a million million dollars) is the highway to hell. One thing I learned a long, long time ago, you cannot borrow your way out of debt. Think about it.

I don't think much of our current President and thought less of him when he was a U.S. Senator. I didn't think much of "W" as Texas Governor and less as President. But I believe he is a true patriot and he executed his duties of office with that spirit.

Hopefully, enough citizens will realize the danger our country is in and make that known this November. Originally Posted by ROMULUS

Yep and Obama really hates this country and Obama really wants to fuck up this country and just destroy it- Bush is a patriot but can't even prove that he showed up for service. Yeah Obama's adminstration has already captured and/or killed more Al Queada/Taliban terrorist in 2 & 1./2 years then Bush's 8 years. Oh during Bush's 8 years- he had America Hated not only in the Islamic world but even in Europe amongst our allies- did you travel overseas during the Bush years? What was France's, Germany's and England's perception of Bush? What are there perception of Obama. They(citizens of those nations) cheered and celebrated in the streets on Nov 4th 2008- everyone from Belgium to Tokyo to Paris to London and many other nations. Bush left office with the 2nd lowest approval rating of any President. Yep George Bush is a true American patriot!!!! and I don't know if you are talking about this November or Nov 2012 but if you think Republicans have all the answers then get ready to re-live 2000 to 2008 all over again or if you think in 2012 that Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney or Huckabee has a snowballs chance of defeating Obama then I get some great ocean front property at a real good deal to sell you.
Oh one more thing you mentioned the President doesn't raise taxes it's Congress? Have you ever heard of the word VETO!!!!! congress can pass Bills left and right to either raise or lower taxes but the Bill is not worth the piece of paper it's written on until the PRESIDENT SIGNS OR VETOES THE BILL. YOU ACT AS IF THE TAX RAISES GOT PASS REAGAN WITHOUT HIM SIGNING THE BILL!!!!

WE1911, We must be reading different news sources. Of course most of the ones you quoted earlier are totally enamored with Obama and wouldn't ask him to move if he was standing on their foot. We are a laughing stock to our "allies" thanks to Obama.

As far as the service comparison - think about it. When did Obama ever put on a uniform (unless he and Ayers put on hoodies in private)? When did Obama ever properly recognize our national anthem? Why did Obama deny knowing William Ayers when he was a close associate? Does Obama sleep through his church sermons while his bosom buddy pastor damns America?

I can't answer these questions. However I never questioned Bush's integrity or loyalty to our country in spite of actions (or lack of them) I opposed.

WE1911, We must be reading different news sources. Of course most of the ones you quoted earlier are totally enamored with Obama and wouldn't ask him to move if he was standing on their foot. We are a laughing stock to our "allies" thanks to Obama.

As far as the service comparison - think about it. When did Obama ever put on a uniform (unless he and Ayers put on hoodies in private)? When did Obama ever properly recognize our national anthem? Why did Obama deny knowing William Ayers when he was a close associate? Does Obama sleep through his church sermons while his bosom buddy pastor damns America?

I can't answer these questions. However I never questioned Bush's integrity or loyalty to our country in spite of actions (or lack of them) I opposed. Originally Posted by OldGrump

Lol wasn't all of this dispelled during the campaign? What did McCain's pastor say about JEWS? Hagee has voiced extreme anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish and anti-homosexual views. In a September 2006 interview on National Public Radio, Hagee reaffirmed his view that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment against New Orleans for hosting a homosexual parade. Hagee has also said that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by "turning away from the true God." He referred to Catholicism as a "false cult," and said the religion contributed to Hitler's anti-semitic views. When Hagee endorsed him, McCain said he was "proud" to have the pastor's support. Some don't give me this B.S about Jeremiah Wright and if you knew the context of what Wright was talking about instead of listening to sound bites on Faux news you wuld understand his position. Wright was basically saying America has a lot of problems in history such as racism, slavery, bigotry and many more that God was not happy with-do you think slaves and victims of prejudice would have disagreed with Wright's statements?

Who the hell care about the anthem- their are some religious sects(Christianity) where it is forbidden to swear allegiance to a flag- because one swears to a flag or says an anthem makes them more patriotic?
Do you know how many ex-presidents didn't serve in the military- what war or uniform did Bill Clinton or FDR serve in? Where does it say it was required that you serve in the military to be President? Also, the Vietnam war was a very unpopular war and don't dare say MCcain fought for my freedom because the vietcong never attacked the U.S or threathened our freedom that was a war of choice.
Also, instead of talking hot air produced your evidence with sources- there was a world poll done on Obama and here's the results:
The Pew Global Attitudes poll found that a majority of individuals in 16 of the 21 countries surveyed feel confident in Obama as an international leader. Ten of these countries, in fact, express a higher confidence in the president than America does (at 65%). Obama’s popularity remains high in Europe, especially in Germany (where he enjoys a 90% confidence rating), France (87%), and Great Britain (84%).
Now Old Grump -hmmm nice username you can pout all you want your candidate lost get over it and if you want to have a civil debate produce some facts and not just hot air I have disppeled everyone of your attacks with clear proof from legit sources.

I thought we were comparing Bush & Obama. "Dispelled"? More like denied - but true. I don't think anyone is alive today who ever knew a slave. It was a horrible concept practiced in many countries at the time and considered normal - as much as we detest the idea today.

I don't care whether Obama served in the military or not. I just thought it humorous that Bush's service (to whatever degree it was) was used as criticism in a comparison to someone who didn't serve at all.

Polls are worth about as much as the person taking them. My sources show 50% in Great Britain and 45% here in the US. But I'm not as concerned about polls as actions. I do wish Obama well. However, I don't have confidence in his ability to handle the job.

As far as our differing opinions on how to show our respect for our national symbols and views of the Viet Nam war, I guess we'll just have to agree that there are some lovely ladies on this board.

I thought we were comparing Bush & Obama. "Dispelled"? More like denied - but true. I don't think anyone is alive today who ever knew a slave. It was a horrible concept practiced in many countries at the time and considered normal - as much as we detest the idea today.

I don't care whether Obama served in the military or not. I just thought it humorous that Bush's service (to whatever degree it was) was used as criticism in a comparison to someone who didn't serve at all.

Polls are worth about as much as the person taking them. My sources show 50% in Great Britain and 45% here in the US. But I'm not as concerned about polls as actions. I do wish Obama well. However, I don't have confidence in his ability to handle the job.

As far as our differing opinions on how to show our respect for our national symbols and views of the Viet Nam war, I guess we'll just have to agree that there are some lovely ladies on this board. Originally Posted by OldGrump

well that's what makes this country great that we can agree to disagree- as much as i didn't like Bush I did want him to do as good as a job as possible because if Bush does bad we all suffer. You can disagree with Obama hate him or whatever but he's the President and if anything you can wish him and the country great success. There are policies of Obama I like and some I dn't like but at the end of the day I wish him the best and hope he can get this country back on his feet and I am confident that he will. On the other hand i do agree there are some lovely ladies on this board.

In response to there are a lot of republicans here interesting. Republicans like pussy too

In response to there are a lot of republicans here interesting. Republicans like pussy too
Originally Posted by ray

Not all Republicans are celibate preachers of Hell Fire and Brimstone.

Not all conservatives are Republicans.

All of the male posters on this board like women.
In that, there is common ground. United we stand.

What are there perception of Obama. They(citizens of those nations) cheered and celebrated in the streets on Nov 4th 2008- everyone from Belgium to Tokyo to Paris to London and many other nations. Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

I heard they really celebrated in Kenyan since a hometown boy finally did good.

So being popular in other countries is a big deal? I could give a rat's ass what the spineless French or Mexican's think about the US President.

Bush facts:
1)Stated weapons of mass destruction had been stockpiled in Iraq; to date no such evidence has been recovered, yet resulted in a war resulting in multiple casualties Except the sworn testimony of Iraqi officers and satelite intel on massive movment of WMD's to Syria while the left whinned and the punch was telegraphed.
Okay, so there were testimonies, intel & movement. Were weapons of mass destruction recovered? Yes or No. Or better yet, I’ll ask you the same question; prove the presence of WMD, because if you can you’d be the first person in the world to do so. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

4)Deregulated oil & gas companies by creating law setting a $75 million cap on damages; resulting in taxpayer responsibility over $75 million cap by creating additional gas tax. Wrong again. The $75 million cap was created in the early 90's.
Correct, by President George Bush who signed into legislation the current $75 million cap in the 1990 Oil Pollution Act.

5)Deregulated oil & gas companies by creating law allowing use of unknown chemicals involved in fracking without environmental conscious oversight; resulting in groundwater contamination & unknown air dispersants like seen by BP over the current Gulf of Mexico oil spill Nonesense, prove it.
Refer to Section 322 in the below Energy Policy Act of 2005, which exempts hydraulic fracturing, a drilling process invented by Halliburton commonly known as “fracking”, from the Safe Drinking Water Act.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bil ls&docid=f:h6enr.txt.pdf
Refer to below link for BP unknown chemical air dispersants.
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/48/203/EPA:_BP_Must_Use_Less_Toxic_Oi l_Dispersant;_BP_Refuses_Chang e_and_Continues_Corexit_Use.ht ml

6)Deregulated oil & gas companies resulting in the highest gas pump prices to date Check the prices in socialist controlled Europe, you know, Big "O"'s heros.
Gas prices are much higher in Europe for two reasons:
1) Mass transportation is much more common due mostly in part to
2) Distances traveled are on average much shorter than in the US
Thus for these reasons gas prices in the US and abroad cannot be compared

7)Bailed out banking & auto industry resulting in taxpayer responsibility With complete and continued support from Big O and his democrat cronies.
Congress was majority Republican

8)Issued multiple stimulus checks which resulted in the largest US deficit to date resulting in balancing budget with increased taxes, to which the current administration is now held responsible for The "current administration" was in the Senate and could have voted against these. . . but didn't. Instead he wants to increase them! Haven't read the news lately I guess, have you?
Again, Congress was majority Republican

9)Maintained status quo on healthcare resulting in the largest US healthcare premiums to date Health insurance premiums have gone up 20% in the last three months. Status Quo was way the hell ahead of government run beurocracy.
This is correct regarding those who choose to purchase their own coverage, however, this doesn’t change the fact premiums have continually increased over the last decade for those covered through employers with the same coverage. See below
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100621/us_nm/us_usa_healthcare_insurers

10)Permitted torture interrogation techniques resulting in water-boarding individual prisoners over 200 times with no success If there was no success then why won't the current regime release the documents Cheany specifically asked for. . . the ones that prove this was a very effective intel gathering technique? The only problem is they didn't kill the bastards when they were done with them.
Would it take performing water-boarding over 200 times on one prisoner if the technique was working? Really?

11)Destroyed America’s global standing resulting in Muslim world of 1.5 billion despising US, along with multiple allies Right, the muslims used to love us alright, how about the Arab Legion that was one of the last SS units still fighting when Berlin fell?
Lol. Good point, however, Muslim opinion of US did greatly diminish after 9/11

12)Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the largest diplomatic failure in world history) Prove it.
It is a historical fact global public opinion of US fell after 9/11. Many ally nations saw US as a go-it-alone cavalier cowboy riding off into the sunset. Ask a European.

15)Wife Laura Bush killed driver in auto accident Is that all you've got????
No. There are 18 other facts. This has little to do with the Presidency, however, this suggests a pattern of recklessness that only pre-dates additional recklessness. We are products of our decisions.

16)Vice President Dick Cheney shot individual in hunting accident Your point???
Another example of Bush being surrounded by recklessness. We are products of those we surround ourselves with. This is my point.

17)Accepted introduction of intelligent design into science curriculum as an alternative to evolution As do a great many tax payers, you know, the folks who pay the bill and raise the kids. The kids don't belong to the government.
This scares the hell out of me. American education will ultimately collapse for its’ inability to compete with rivaling economies, due in no small part to its’ complete disregard for logic and critical thinking, choosing instead the idea God has already written our future. It has been said prayer cures the ill, the diseased, & those with cancer. I feel a sadness for those maimed, amputated, or blind. I suppose it is much easier to credit prayer for the cure of those sicknesses with which we cannot see, rather than the missing body parts we can’t.

18)Cut funding for embryonic stem cell research Federal funding only, again, tax payer's money, again, no where in the Constitution does it mention the federal government has a right to spend money on research of any kind.
The Constitution was not created as the end all be all document. If so it would be too large to cover.

Obama facts:

1)According to many he is a Racist, Black, White, Mix, Non-Citizen, Citizen, Muslim, Christian, Communist, Socialist, Fascist, Terrorist, Anti-Christ, etc; resulting in the most diverse human being ever Too bad that isn't in the job description. . . we need a President who puts America's priorities first. . . please provide a single link to this one ever having said that.
One link was requested. I will provide two.
Obama is a Socialist: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32384.html
Obama is the AntiChrist: http://www.livescience.com/culture/obama-anti-christ-100325.html
Frightening.

3)Passed the largest healthcare reform bill in American history resulting in the inability of insurance companies to deny coverage based on previous conditions We will see to it that it is never funded, and in 2012 is repealed. Socialism does not work. . it simply does not.
So are you actually saying you prefer insurance companies deny coverage based on previous conditions? How do you know the bill does not work? It was just passed on 03/23/10.

11)Accepts science being taught in science classrooms rather than the supernatural What, like the global warming BS? I've made a good living as a scientest and this is laughable.
Are you for real? Are you saying you are a “scientest” that rather have the supernatural taught in the science classroom? Exactly what kind of scientist are you?

12)Lifted restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research Show me where in the Constituion this is allowed.
The Constitution is a broad collaboration of ideals. It is not a rulebook governing every issue relative to current times. So no, it does not make a specific reference to permitting federally funded embryonic stem cell research. Something tells me Benjamin Franklin was unaware of stem cell research.

13)Many Americans call this man a son of a bitch and want to kill him. Prove it, name one person who wants to kill him, just one.
One was requested. I will provide seven.
Walter Edward Bagdasarian:http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/01/threat/
Fox News Correspondent Liz Trotta:http://gawker.com/5011014/fox-news-wants-to-kill-obama-too
Skinheads Daniel Cowart & Paul Schlesselman: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_wanted_to_kill_obama
Renee Curet:http://www.newsherald.com/articles/pleads-81872-create-threatening.html
Pastor Steven Anderson: http://www.jillstanek.com/violence/pastor-prays-fo.html
John Turnpaugh:http://newsone.com/nation/associated-press/man-calls-911-and-says-he-wants-to-kill-obama/
This could go on & on. Frightening.
I appreciate the time everyone has taken to include substantive input. I specifically appreciate the input from Iaintliein, despite disagreeing with nearly every fact included. If I were betting I’d say Iaintliein’s mind was made up prior to the responses. I would like to personally thank your son for his military service.
As long as the topic remains civil it is worth debate. Once accusations, speculation, & name calling become the emotion the discussion is over.

To timpage, et.al.
Please link to any post here that supports your claims that those who oppose your views, express "intolerance and self-righteous moralistic positions," just one.

While you're at it, give us some links to how Obama is more supportive of the hobby and other social liberties. War on drugs? check, Patriot Act? check.

Please link to one post that claims those who oppose you espouse "family values" more than you do, just one.

Progress? You call bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia progress?

To expand on friendlyguy77's excellent post. There are social, economic, and defense conservatives and various hybrids.

The folks who always seem to resort to name calling and generalizations simply paint with too broad a brush. Like the OP who seems to think that anyone who rejects the newage mythology of liberalism must automatically embrace bronze age or iron age mythology.

This thread was specifically named "Bush vs Obama." Yet many here think that pointing out disagreements concerning one or the other means the one doing it is a "Bush guy" or an "Obama guy." I did not vote for Bush, I simply don't like the bull shit people spout about him.

Regards, Originally Posted by Iaintliein

Do I call bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia progress? Yes. Yes, I do.

Lots of good stuff here in this thread ....The left blaming Bush for everything and saying Rush Limbaugh,Hannity Beck,ETC are to blame with him ...and cant get enough of Barrack ....They will NEVER admit that they made a mistake in covering up every little thing he does or did wrong ....or not pursuing his college information as they did with W...Ws grades were better than Al Gores but they never mentioned that ...Al might haVE CRIED AND TAKEN HIS INVENTION (the internet) AWAY FROM US ALL ..but does anyone notice that certain comedians (Letterman,Leno,Stewart,O'Brie n) STILL have to down grade Bush to this day ......usually every night in their monologue ......ok guys he is out of office and Obama is making the mistakes now that
YOU overlook so conveniently ......But they cant admit they made a mistake and got him elected ....

Lots of stuff discussed here. I've voted Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. The party affiliation is not as important to me as the people in the background - the big money boys who actually control our government. The world's biggest prostitution ring is in Washington DC. It is composed of the 535 Congress members and their staffs. Most don't really give a shit about you or me, as long as they are "taken care off" by their "Johns". Lobbyists spent over $9 billion in 2009 to get the government they want. You could write an encyclopedia on who paid who. We all have one vote to cast and I'm not sure its worth a bucket of spit anymore. The most powerful man in the state of Texas is a guy named Bob Perry (no relation to Rick) of Houston. He has donated over $22 million to Texas candidates since the year 2000. He owns members of the state legislature. He can mold a person with his wallet.

So, if you are a cheerleader of either party, you are nothing more than a shill. My position is to quit worrying about politics and prepare myself to adapt as best as I can to something completely out of my control - our governement and the financiers who control them.

Also, the Man of the Decade in my opinion, is Osama Bin Laden. He has outsmarted the world's most powerful military, steeped with the most sophisticated technology, has managed to elude death or capture, and outlasted a 2 term President and a half term of another. As much as we might hate him, I'll say this for him: he has proven to be more than a worthy opponent. As despicable as his tactics are, he has managed to "play" the US as well as anyone in history. He understands us much better than we understood him. He knew our weaknesses and exploited them. He has pushed us into the longest war in our history.

One other thing. We have 2 wars going and an economy that is running like a corvair on 2 cylinders. True patriots put differences aside and work together. Americans are more obsessed with what they might lose, than what they should be happy to give and that is called sacrifice- Americans sacrificed in WWII. Sacrifice for Americans today might consist of buying a cheaper bottle of wine. Political differences have over-run any desire to work on "fixing" our problems. In a nutshell, we won't sacrifice because we haven't suffered enough pain yet. Thing have to get worse for us to wake us up. I'm tired of hearing people complain about their health care or their taxes, etc. Fucking do someting positive to change the way your life is run instead of waiting for change from those who really don't give a shit about you anyway.