Economy and the hobby

Out of all the frankly brilliant things I could post right now, I think I'll just cut to the chase. This is now officially "BORING".

Even train wrecks lose their appeal after a while.

KKA,

Thank you for your long and thoughtful post. WRT to your comment directed to me. I was told by one of the providers she knows that her business in Sa has been slow to non existent. Maybe that was not cool as it was second hand info. You said it! And that is why if it doesnt come straight from the "horses mouth" so to speak, you really should find out if it IS true before you believe it. And this really is NOT the place to speak of ones PERSONAL issues in that aspect. Even if you dont like someone, you must still have some respect and be civil here on the board or a person will get penalized or lose the priviledge of being here. Other than that your post was, in my opinion, on point. I appreciate that. I have been warned for getting off topic. Is there some warning that should be given to her for being so disrespectful? If the STAFF feels there should be it will be done. They are assertive and diligent and will take care of the situation if need be in any and all cases. I will repeat my question as to her membership. I feel she is devisive and not productive. That is your opinion and you are more than entitled to it. However, it is the goal of ECCIE to not OVER-censor but we do take care of issues that need to be resolved when they need it. All I can tell you otherwise, if you dont like what someone posts, you should probably not read it. Not everyone is going to like one another and that is just a part of human nature. She makes false and misleading statemnts.This is just my opinion. Again, I completely respect your opinion, but if ECCIE booted everyone that someone else disliked, I doubt there would be more than 2 members to this board. LOL If this is off topic, I am sorry. I am just trying to respond to your post. Understood.
Mokoa, Warn me again if you feel it is appropriate.
TxP Originally Posted by TxPlayer55

Have a safe and great evening.

KKA

KKA - your reply was absolutely brilliant. Kudos to you!

It seems to me like some people have low self-esteem issues and seem to think that the price they charge for services correlates to their worth as human beings. Nothing could be further from the truth!

Do you really believe that as a human being you're worth $160 to $200 an hour? This is a business, and that is the current market price. Any higher and you price yourself out of the market. But your value as a human being is obviously much higher. Lowering prices to attune to the current economic situation might be a temporary solution but every provider needs to decide this for themselves.

Feeling degraded or disrespected because you had to lower your prices but feel you're worth more as a human being seems like a personal issue. I have met many street providers who charge in the range of $40 to $60 and I can tell you that the vast majority of them were worth way more than that. I always treated them with dignity and respect. I paid what they asked for and maybe extra and I saw them again and again because I liked their personality or charm. Their worth as human beings was priceless.

KKA - your reply was absolutely brilliant. Kudos to you!

It seems to me like some people have low self-esteem issues and seem to think that the price they charge for services correlates to their worth as human beings. I could not agree more! Nothing could be further from the truth! Exactly!

Do you really believe that as a human being you're worth $160 to $200 an hour? Not at all. This is a business, and that is the current market price. Any higher and you price yourself out of the market. Very true. But your value as a human being is obviously much higher. Yes it is. Lowering prices to attune to the current economic situation might be a temporary solution but every provider needs to decide this for themselves. Definately!

Feeling degraded or disrespected because you had to lower your prices but feel you're worth more as a human being seems like a personal issue. I have met many street providers who charge in the range of $40 to $60 and I can tell you that the vast majority of them were worth way more than that. I always treated them with dignity and respect. I paid what they asked for and maybe extra and I saw them again and again because I liked their personality or charm. Their worth as human beings was priceless. I totally respect a man who thinks this way. Thank you very much for sharing that so eloquently! Originally Posted by eddiecruz

KKA

Whew...that was ugly! Personally, I completely have loyalty to my regulars and current friends...that's just a given. WM...I'm in shock you would even post that nonsense! Any successful business knows who pays the bills...and if you don't have customer loyalty...you may as well close shop!

And, in saying that...I'm a bit hesitant to feel badly for some of you hobbyists who want "reputable," well reviewed providers, to lower our rates. You're still WILLING to take unwarranted risks to go to BP or CL, and literally, throw your money away. Perhaps, if you would stop throwing away your money on scam artists...some of us would take your "economic instability issues" more seriously.

BigRich...I regularly run specials...250 for 2hrs of my time...doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that's a damn great deal. I may not be your cup of tea...but, please don't state there aren't deals out there. That's 125/hour...that's almost as low as my 1/2hr. It's not going to get any lower than that...just saying!

I'm going to agree to disagree. On your comments.
What works for you in the hobby & your reasons for dropping your rates. Doesn't mean it works the same way for all the other providers who reside or travel here. Nor does it mean that the men treat them the same way as they treat & tip you.


I also stand by my personal opinions on this topic. And did no wrong in being straight forward when expressing them.
I was not disrespectful nor did I put anyone down
(in the way & the how of putting forth my opinions as so you stated).
I don't tell folks how they should put forth theirs and I'm tired of being attacked on how straightforward I am. I make no apologies at all.

There's a difference with a lady wanting to run a special because she wants to. Hell I'm one who offers FREE hours because I choose too. Because I absolutely love being in the company of man. So I know all
about specials. However, there's a difference in specials and men dictating and bullying providers to lower their rates And then making claim that's the only reason they will see the providers or appreciate them. i disagree with the latter.

MPO.

Ok, bear with me. I have quite a few things to say here and this may be a longer than usual post.


Wicked Milf Said:Lowering ones donations doesn't indicate that guys will see them or their business will increase. Rather, by lowering ones donations to a certain point. Tends to cause those providers to attract certain unsavory type of men. Who in the end, cause issues for those ladies in one way or another.

Yes the economy is not as it once was. We all get that.
But that doesn't mean the ladies in this adult lifestyle should have to lower their donations and give of their bodies & time in the manner in which some men dictate is necessary for them to see said providers.

It all boils down to the fact that you hobby according to what your *extra* funds will allow. If you don't have *extra* funds to play then you don't hobby.
But don't expect providers to give of their bodies & time to you for less; while you expect more in return. It's disrespectful.

Specials are FOR providers just as much as they are FOR the hobbyist. The provider may get more appointments, repeat clientele, and could very well (and it has happened) boost her reputation within the community in a short amount of time thus contributing to her business overall- among many other fringe benefits. In MY experience, even when I offer a good special or a UTR special to friends, I still get tipped very well and the outcome is usually always that or MORE than my regular normal donation anyway!!!

Wicked Milf Said: I know as to what he was pertaining to regarding customer loyalty. Excuse me, but I don’t think you do at all. A hobbyist becomes LOYAL to a lady he has seen before when he FREQUENTS her as OPPOSED to other ladies. AKA: ATF???? This can be for many reasons including BUT not limited to: The attraction, the chemistry, physical or mental, price, location, convenience, etc, etc.
And my question still remains.
To what extent does the hobbyist become loyal to the provider who's offering the special?
Gawd I despise the words customer/client. I sure don't refer to nor look at any of the gents I spend time with as customers/clients. That is your preference and opinion and I can respect that, but we are all different for a reason.
Those words to define them, irk me.

If I offer specials It's for everyone.
I don't offer specials based on how many times I spent companionship with someone. I don't believe in the so called *customer loyalty* in this adult lifestyle. Good for you and again that is your choice but just because someone else does it different from YOUR way DOES NOT make them wrong.



SKF Said:Regardless of one's economic status, it's still up to the providers to weed these turds out in spite of where they choose to set their rate. I totally agree with you!The screening process is still the same. Lowering your rate isn't going to have any effect on your visitor's demeanor/behavior. I agree but I will tell you that even impeccable screening measures CANNOT ALWAYS weed out an “unsavory” demeanor or personality so it is just a gamble we must take sometimes.If they're a turd, they're a turd. Period.



Wicked Milf Said:Let's not be foolish. I am not foolish, thank you. The economy affects the providers too. Yes, I know, I am one of them and I have been there before.
And all this dictating by some men, that providers should lower their price (and they'll go see the providers) and the so called *supply in demand*. Supply and Demand is a PROVEN researched method of marketing and economics and is not ridiculous. Is ridiculous at best.

Let's face it. If you don't have the proper means available to hobby.
Then don't. Ok, I am tired of this statement and I will tell you why. NO ONE defines MY worth. NO ONE tells ME what my rates will be or otherwise. If I offer a special it is by my own choice. I am in control of my business. ONLY ME. I agree that when a person tries to negotiate and haggle and when they do it often it gets irritating. So when we keep stating that they HAVE NO RIGHT telling us what our rates should be to appease them- I have to also say that WE have NO RIGHT to tell THEM they should not hobby. Period. It's that damn simple. The hobby is supposed to be about enjoyment. Not about whining /dictating what providers should charge for you to have your way with their body.
Stop dictating & expecting providers near & far To lower their rates to appease you. So you can get more/expect more for less. Because that's what it boils down to with most men who whine about the economy.

For the providers you expect to lower their rates. Those providers
in turn have to (being blunt)...suck & fuck more men just to pay the expenses on their incalls/hotels. (and there are bills associated with private incalls) And in the end. Those providers lose out. Because they're making less. Giving more and not being appreciated. Hey, that is the biz they willfully CHOSE. No one can FORCE a lady to lower her rate. No one can tell her what to do if she doesn’t LET them! Common sense!!!! She is the only one to blame for having to suck and fuck more to pay the bills as it is HER CHOICE. The key word here is: RESPONSIBILITY!
And those are providers some of you men will end up running off.
Because you've burnt them out and caused them to no longer enjoy pleasures with a man. WHY? because you dictated & expected time and again, that they lower their rates. More and more and more. BS BS BS BS BS= ALL BULLSHIT! Refer to the above.
to the point they're sucking & fucking you for nothing because they're barely getting by because you told them to lower their rates and give you specials. As IF the economy only affected you.

So continue whining about the economy and all this non sense about supply in demand. In the end. Your going to see providers who will refuse to see you because they no longer enjoy being taken for granted and expected to give ALL of their body to you/for you to have your way with. While you pay next to nothing. Treating them like their worth nothing. Again, this is a wrong and general assessment of things and the experience of others without evidence is horrible. MOST, yes MOST men I see use my specials and the are complete GENTLEMEN. Maybe it is my GOOD attitude that attracts them? I wonder?

In all my years & travels pertaining to the hobby. I've never seen men disrespect & degrade providers and expect so much for yet expect to pay next to nothing. Than I do from some the SA men. Thank goodness, it's not men I see nor would ever see. OMG! You are too cruel! You are soooo generalizing and that is pure discrimination and just plain rude. You are obviously NOT seeing the right people! If you in fact don’t see these types of gents then why the crusade and anger against men you don’t even know?????


Every last one of these providers is worth more than what some of you men pay and how some of you treat them. And many of you review time & again how she/they/them (WENT WAY OVER THE TIME- She wasn't a clock watcher). Yet those of you who take those ladies for granted are the ones who seek out getting more for less. When it comes to having your way with a lady's body & time. And don't compensate those ladies for graciously giving you more time while you continued to have your way with their body.

I don't care if this is met with disagreement or cringed faces.
Or if my being straightforward offends anyone. Never offends me to see a blunt, beautiful, outspoken woman or any other person for that matter. But what does offend is an attitude that is so obviously displaying BLATANT DISRESPECT for ones or others’ clientele base. Next time I pay my phone bill I hope I am not met with this type of disparaging arrogance and rude behavior- or I will have to cross the company off MY list. Go ahead and say (off my list) because in reality the hobby is my enjoyment. I see real men who know a woman's worth. Not men who take a woman for granted. And thus why I ENJOY the men I've been blessed to of met. They get it. And that carries far more weight and respect than anything.

I hope a lot of providers take note.

Wicked Milf Said: It's not turned into a lecture at all. It's a discussion. Where both men and women are voicing their opinions on the topic at hand.
Regardless if they're met with agreeable/disagreeing opinions by others. Or you view those opinions to be lectures. It's a discussion none the less. Opinions, Yes, and Understanding too as to HOW one views a certain thing personally. But on your end, you expect everyone to agree and understand your points but you totally refuse to do the same in return to how another person strongly feels. You do not at all understand nor are you sympathetic to anyone else’s views or beliefs. It is OK to feel strongly about something and to have strong convictions and beliefs but to cut down others or an entire population of others in a derogatory manner is just unappealing. No one can ALWAYS be right and that includes you.

Bigrich75 Said: Do you really think that girl cares about if she is appreciated or not? i highly doubt it considering shes a "wh..e" If thats the case, maybe get another type of carrer? I have been called MANY things in my lifetime as a companion; whore, slut, bitch, call girl, escort, companion, etc, etc, etc.. The list goes on and on. None of which bother me either in the least. BUT! Everyone male or female WILL recognize FIRST that I am a human being same as them and that they are no better than me. I am a beautiful, independent, strong, intelligent woman. Do not judge- lest you be judged. I think that should go for all women and all men. Period.

Tazion Said: And I said in my first post "Specials rock", and I meant it. No, it's not a how cheap can you go thing, but a special sometimes pushes me to get off my lazy ass and go to the effort and set somethig up. Just popping up an ad with the same old info in it does nothing to push me forward. Special do ROCK and have fun with them. They are, after all, posted for you guys! Nothing wrong with a special! I find that many guys prefer to get a hhr or take advantage of a special to make sure they have a good time before spending the really big bucks to avoid and TOFTT experiences and disappointments. They want to be sure also they are getting quality. I can totally sympathize with that. More and more reviews pop up where even Verified Providers are TOFTT people and that is so sad so it is understandable that a gent would want to spend less on a special until he can KNOW he is getting the best as advertised. If it is good, he will return even at full price because he is surer of what he can expect now. I have felt the same when hobbying myself and spending my hard earned cash. I always wonder if the guy is going to be worth it. I am walking essentially into the dark ya know?! LOL

Wicked Milf Said:I never stated you said or forced anything. Don't twist my words.
All I stated was I disagreed with you. I still do.
My comments were directed at the OP regarding comments he made.
The OP’s topic/thoughts are about the changes in the economy and not about specials and providers worth etc. so much than it is about HOW the economy has affected men, their hobby funds, and women leaving the hobby or entering the business to make money because of the economy. It is definitely NOT about men haggling or dictating rates to providers and arguments thereof.

Original Poster: Major U (OP) Said: This maybe an old topic but here goes. I have talked to a few providers who have noticed business has slowed down. My disposable income has also dropped and I find myself more reluctant to spend on the hobby due to economic uncertainty. I find myself looking out for specials and deals rather then going out when I feel like it. I still get the urge to hobby and sometimes that gets the better of my financial head. Lol. I do feel worried about some the ladies who rely on this as there main source of income and I hate to see talented ladies leave the hobby. At the same time I am curious if anyone has gone into the hobby due to the economic downturn. I am hoping things will pick up but it does not look like it will anytime soon. SA is certainly doing better than most and I am lucky to have my job. But at the same time all the uncertainty has certainly caused me some anxiety that translates into the hobby world. What do you guys think?






TXPlayer55: Does anyone wonder why she has no business in sa no matter what her specials are? Not cool. One should NOT post something of which he has no knowledge and make unwarranted accusations of another.


Wicked Milf: My opinion is right on point with the topic at hand. Regardless of whether it was right on topic or not, doesn’t make it correct. You may not like
my opinion no matter what it's based on. No I don’t, with a lot of it but mostly not with HOW you decided to display it. I respect your opinions and thoughts but not always HOW you bring them to light by putting down others. It is not very nice nor is it lady like. But nonetheless, you have your opinions and I have mine. Yes, and you have CHOSEN not to respect the opinions of others and that is why you have been met with a backlash by most of them. You can agree to disagree. Funny, because you don’t.
But there is no reason to attack me because of how I choose to voice my personal opinions. That is just it. It is not your opinions that were attacked it was the WAY and HOW you decided to express them more than anything else. You expect to have an adult discussion then you had better listen and accept the opinion and information others put in it as well. ‘


My insights are posted in PURPLE.



KKA Originally Posted by KlassyKelliAnn

I'm going to agree to disagree. On your comments. Completely your choice and I totally respect that.
What works for you in the hobby & your reasons for dropping your rates. Doesn't mean it works the same way for all the other providers who reside or travel here. Nor does it mean that the men treat them the same way as they treat & tip you. I 100% agree with you here.

And that being said and understood by US BOTH- you will understand that NOT ALL SA men dictate and bully nor do they ALL treat companions with disrespect, etc, etc. which was most of what I was intitially commenting on in reference to your posts.


I also stand by my personal opinions on this topic. And did no wrong in being straight forward when expressing them.
I was not disrespectful nor did I put anyone down
(in the way & the how of putting forth my opinions as so you stated). Not how I took it or saw it but maybe you have been misunderstood by me and all the others? I cannot see HOW, but I really think there is NOTHING wrong with your being straight forward but rather HOW you come off sometimes. Subtly is, I must state, not your forte, at least not in this thread.

I don't tell folks how they should put forth theirs and I'm tired of being attacked on how straightforward I am. I make no apologies at all.

There's a difference with a lady wanting to run a special because she wants to. Hell I'm one who offers FREE hours because I choose too. Because I absolutely love being in the company of man. So I know all
about specials. However, there's a difference in specials and men dictating and bullying providers to lower their rates And then making claim that's the only reason they will see the providers or appreciate them. I never heard anyone here say this. I dont think I have ever heard anyone strictly say this... not even those that haggle with me ocassionally. LOL i disagree with the latter.

MPO. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

KKA

It's not non sense to me. It's my opinion and I stand by it.

Just because guy see's a lady more than once doesn't mean he's loyal to her nor should be. (MPO) It could very well be that he had a damn good time and actually enjoyed being with said woman and wanted to enjoy her company again.
Does that mean he's loyal to her because he see's her many times or that she's his ATF? IMHO, No it does not.

I don't expect nor want to be any ones ATF nor do I want any man in this hobby to be loyal to me. In fact I often try to find them other ladies to enjoy. Because this is a hobby. It's meant to be explored and enjoyed.
Those I've met become dear friends.
BUT I do not depend on them to pay any bills nor expect them to see me again and again and again. Some I actually dine out with and sit and drink wine with and never BCD with nor expect them to pay.
Because I adore them as a person. Not because of loyalty or anything more. but I guess that makes me wrong.

Whew...that was ugly! Personally, I completely have loyalty to my regulars and current friends...that's just a given. WM...I'm in shock you would even post that nonsense! Any successful business knows who pays the bills...and if you don't have customer loyalty...you may as well close shop! ! Originally Posted by Likinikki

[quote-Originally Posted by Kelli Anne]

KK-And that being said and understood by US BOTH- you will understand that NOT ALL SA men dictate and bully nor do they ALL treat companions with disrespect, etc, etc. which was most of what I was intitially commenting on in reference to your posts.

WM-I never stated that ALL SA men do. Please don't twist my words rather read them carefully. I stated *some* not *all*. And in all honesty we as women here in this hobby know there are some who do. Nuff said on that.


KK-. Not how I took it or saw it but maybe you have been misunderstood by me and all the others? I cannot see HOW, but I really think there is NOTHING wrong with your being straight forward but rather HOW you come off sometimes. Subtly is, I must state, not your forte, at least not in this thread.

WM-How I come across is honest and straight to the point/ not a bull shitter and no not subtle. Never have been. Never pretended to. Never will.

KK- I never heard anyone here say this. I dont think I have ever heard anyone strictly say this... not even those that haggle with me ocassionally. LOL i

WM-Then you've not read this thread very well.
Someone stated it as matter of fact. I just re-posted what he said.

This topic as with others. Proves that we all view this hobby and all that it entails, differently. There will always be differing opinions. It is what it is.



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KKA

It's not non sense to me. It's my opinion and I stand by it. Your opinions are not nonsense and I dont think that was the part she was particularly referring to.

Just because guy see's a lady more than once doesn't mean he's loyal to her nor should be. No, it does not mean he "should be" or "has to be" but sometimes it is what HE "chooses" it to be. Some people like that loyalty on both sides. It is okay if you dont. (MPO) It could very well be that he had a damn good time and actually enjoyed being with said woman and wanted to enjoy her company again. And that CAN be a sign, if you will, of loyalty to a point.
Does that mean he's loyal to her because he see's her many times or that she's his ATF? IMHO, No it does not. Sometimes, yes it can. Not always though.

I don't expect nor want to be any ones ATF nor do I want any man in this hobby to be loyal to me. In fact I often try to find them other ladies to enjoy. Because this is a hobby. It's meant to be explored and enjoyed.
Those I've met become dear friends.
BUT I do not depend on them to pay any bills nor expect them to see me again and again and again. Some I actually dine out with and sit and drink wine with and never BCD with nor expect them to pay.
Because I adore them as a person. Not because of loyalty or anything more. but I guess that makes me wrong. Now I get this better than the way you came off earlier. I so wish you would have explained it in this way from the get go. I see what you are saying and NO it does not make you wrong. But some people just think and percieve things like this in a completely different way. For some it is only business everytime. For others there is room for friendship and even more others where it goes beyond that. Every person is an individual and with that comes individual thinking. You are not wrong in your beliefs or convictions. If it works for you then go for it. But keep in mind, everyone else is doing the same for themselves with their own as well. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

KKA

wow...you 2 argue (or discuss things) very well...i do agree with both of you on certain points...but i do def see what wm is saying. I have disagreed w her plenty of times...and though, many of you are not seeing her side, i do. many claim she has no proof to back it up etc.. but because of my own personal evidence i agree with her on most. I do see where she is coming from and how she views all of this. i too view it just the same. sofaking, im sure she wasnt pointing you out as the culprit to dictating, but yes some sa men do! if not dictating, they do bully in a very passive aggressive way. Anyway, no WM you do not need to apologize, nor do any of the other girls here on how they feel or say. Even if some things are offensive (by you or them)....Anyway, i too feel the same way sometimes in regards to every single point WM has made, im not built as liberated and secure as kka shows here, so i do sometimes feel like im being taken advantage of...but like the rest of the business or hobby i take care of it the way i need to. And no none of what these girls are saying is nonsense. It is what it is.

I also like to know why sofaking, you always try to pick a fight w wm? lol you know you do and you only stir the pot, even when the argument itself is not even all that important to you... You still do it. You 2 can go on forever, and yes shes aggressive, and yes youre always oppositional to what she says..but ive read EVERY SINGLE THING SHE HAS SAID and so far its all very rational and agreeable for some ladies (yes i know not all). but some of us do see how shes just being a mamma bear and looking out for us. Not all of us have had smooth rides here with some of these specific men who bully. I have plenty more to say but none of it is as good as how these 2 ladies are putting it...

oh and another part of my 2 cents, i do view loyalty the way kka elaborates on it. to me that too is what it is...they keep coming back to see me and rather not look elsewhere because theyre happy 100 % with me...that to me is loyalty. Though i never expect them to do so forever. I will always vouch for them w other ladies if they so choose. That whole theory is pretty simple i dont think we have to branch off to many different levels in order to figure that one out..expectations or none...

Ezra, nice post and dont underestimate your strength and solidity.

Let's not; however, stir the post further with accusations and such about SKF picking fights with WM. I, unlike you, have not read every single post by one of these two or either of them but remarks like that are just asking for an extention of an uprising argument and it would include you now. So let's just try and stay on the topic of the OP. Your thoughts are appreciated and respected just as I appreciate and respect WM's posts and everyone else. All I was trying to do was help her see another viewpoint. I understood some if not most of hers. But that is not the only opinion, view or experience out there. I was not trying to argue just as she wasnt and I never intended any malice and hope she did not take it that way either.

Have a great night!

KKA

WM...I think you may have misunderstood me. I never said you were wrong...just shocked as I know you're a savy business woman.

With that being said...loyalty, to me, isn't all about being an ATF...or for my friends to only see me...that's just ridiculous! And, all my friends (hobbyists and providers) know that about me...they know I will glady refer them to someone else, if asked, and give out reputable references.

Loyalty...means someone who has unselfishly given of themselves throughout many years...with great patience! Not only in the form of a donation...but, for unconditionally accepting me... flaws and all...taking the good with the bad. Lending an ear...offering advice...emailing me jokes to keep me laughing...or putting me in my place when needed, to keep me straight...and that's not always an easy job!

Anyone who has stuck with me...giving me the benefit of the doubt...during trying times...DESERVES my utmost respect! And, besides the obvious ways to show my gratitude...the least I can do is give something back.

Whether it's in the form of a special...a small favor or just being reputable and honest. And, yes, I do spend extra time outside of the hobby with a select number of people that have become good friends...and I am truly thankful for you all!

wow...you 2 argue (or discuss things) very well...i do agree with both of you on certain points...but i do def see what wm is saying. I have disagreed w her plenty of times...and though, many of you are not seeing her side, i do. many claim she has no proof to back it up etc.. but because of my own personal evidence i agree with her on most. I do see where she is coming from and how she views all of this. i too view it just the same. sofaking, im sure she wasnt pointing you out as the culprit to dictating, but yes some sa men do! if not dictating, they do bully in a very passive aggressive way. ...

I also like to know why sofaking, you always try to pick a fight w wm? lol you know you do and you only stir the pot, even when the argument itself is not even all that important to you... You still do it. You 2 can go on forever, and yes shes aggressive, and yes youre always oppositional to what she says..but ive read EVERY SINGLE THING SHE HAS SAID and so far its all very rational and agreeable for some ladies (yes i know not all). but some of us do see how shes just being a mamma bear and looking out for us. Not all of us have had smooth rides here with some of these specific men who bully. I have plenty more to say but none of it is as good as how these 2 ladies are putting it... Originally Posted by ExoticEzra

Ez, you know the answer to that question better than anyone.
It's because (and I quote...heh!), "I am such an a$$hole!"

Ez, I'm not trying to pick a fight, beautiful. In fact, the very first thing I stated in my initial post which was directed towards WM was,
"Yeah, I see your point".

So how can you say that I'm always being oppositional?

I'm just trying to figure out what exactly it is that WM disagrees, or "still" disagrees, with me about?
I've asked -a couple of times, I believe, but she's yet to answer.

Besides, you can't fight/argue with someone who expresses or posts something as fact only to have them change it to an "opinion"
when questioned or called on it. It doesn't work because they've got a built-in pass with an opinion.
They simply answer with, "like it or not, that's my personal opinion" and they hide behind that in order to avoid the subsequent questions or the resulting fallout.
Realizing this, some people tend not only to utilize this tactic at each and every opportunity, they've seemingly mastered it as well.

Anyway. Maybe you ladies would answer a couple of questions.

-How in the hell can/does a guy dictate or force a provider's rate?


Seriously. There are all sorts of accusations/claims in this thread that this is being done and I have yet to see anything from this end that would lead me to believe that this "forced" rate is even going on.

-Doesn't a provider have the final say in ANY decision they make; including her rate?

If it's something she's not agreeable to, why wouldn't she just say no?
Are these turds holding a gun to the lady's head or what?

I am completely serious with regard to the questions above because I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my fingers around the fact that some dude wields so much power that he could pull-off a stunt like this.

Regards,
SKF




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In all my years & travels pertaining to the hobby. I've never seen men disrespect & degrade providers and expect so much for yet expect to pay next to nothing. Than I do from some the SA men. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

Never has one paragraph said so much about how one provider really feels about her clients than this one. And yet, feels the need to lecture us on the concepts of respect and disrespect.

THAT my friends is priceless.