Attention New Ladies or Ladies that remember when they were new and someone offered to help them get verified.....

This whole thread smells like another BS drama factory. Originally Posted by Laz

From a guy that worked over a provider financially and got called on it when she wouldn't be your girlfriend?

Really Laz? Do you guys that chase freebies or girlfriends flock together? Do JJ a favor.... Your support will not be good for him...

Keep in mind Laz.... I just asked the questions....created a thread where a story could be told..... the stories are coming from the ladies themselves..... If you really want to experience me focusing my attention on you I can put you on the waiting list and oblige you when your turn comes up.

You guys are really over thinking this.

I didn't close the thread to get back at Summer, not was I making a statement that she was affiliated with Supamates. I closed the thread because it was old and it should have been closed a long time ago. It was now irrelevant. The thread had already died until someone saw Supamates using Summer's avatar.

Many of the guys on this board do that. It doesn't mean that they manage that individual. Originally Posted by JJ

The problem here was the point I was making via PM.... Closing an old thread is not within the guidelines or your responsibility...... You don't get to decide the relevancy of the material. That guideline applies to review forums only.

I believe you acknowledged you had learned that a couple of months ago..... Let me go see if I can find the quote....

In regards to that thread.... It was not just her avatar... You have someone posting as if a provider and the profile has a signature line that is close to hers..... If it is not her it was someone wanting people to think so. Drawing attention to that and locking out that handle till you could verify who was the right call there....

Why did Summer not get that kind of protection? Most providers would right?

I can understand giving him the benefit of the doubt. If it was Mokoa I would be looking for a guillotine and auctioning off the right to pull the lever to pother members.......

But in the same situation if I was in that room and a lady was asking me for money up front..... I would say thank-you and leave......

There has to be more to the story of how she got to that point.

If a 2nd lady were to have experienced the same thing now.... it would not bode well at all...

What say you Ladies of ECCIE? Anyone out there that has experienced JJ soliciting a free session that is willing to step up here publicly?

Or any other member? Step up and tell your story....

Originally Posted by Whispers

A nice, sensible post right up to the point you went and blasted some more BULLSHIT for drama, again proving my previous point.
You have just rephrased the age-old political question "When did you stop beating your wife?" There is no correct answer that satisfies. I haven't read anything that indicated JJ was looking for a free session for verification. What I have read is a wanna-be provider who didn't know how to make her rate known in an appropriate way at an appropriate time. To me at least, it sounds like JJ was hoping she would catch a clue and say something like "it is $$ for an hour" but she never did.

You are correct. I am a little overzealous to go out and research these ladies on my own, and no it is not expected of me.

Although what I do in my own time, is my business. Originally Posted by JJ

Unless you are doing it in your capacity as a MOD which I think you kind of implied you were doing with your concern of her trying to determine if she was a minor or not.

Maybe I am wrong...

a girl he thinks is a minor

He said when he got there she looked older

a provider that will not vouch for her

Maybe the provider didn't remember/know her well

a guy outside the hotel room

Hardly outside the room, in the parking lot...

warning signs INSIDE the hotel room

What warning signs did he mention inside the hotel room? I missed that part

AND YOU ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD FOR A SESSION?

Maybe.....MAYBE a newbie.....

But an experienced Hobbyist that is a MOD?

We are to believe that with all that going on you still moved forward for a session AND AFTERWARDS would have paid her what was due having no idea what the rate was?

Did she have rate posted in the welcome wagon?

How would that work after the Session JJ?

Provider.... That will be $400 please...

JJ... ______________________________ __ Originally Posted by Whispers

I would think it might be prudent to wait until the YL answers what JJ had to say before you start throwing stuff out. If he did try and strong arm a lady for a free session, then he will have to answer to that.

A nice, sensible post right up to the point you went and blasted some more BULLSHIT for drama, again proving my previous point. I haven't read anything that indicated JJ was looking for a free session for verification. What I have read is a wanna-be provider who didn't know how to make her rate known in an appropriate way at an appropriate time.

She was an advertising Provider on Backpage that had been around a good while from what I am told. Her initial review was as a "BackPage Provider"

And what does her making her rate known have to do with it? Why was he moving forward trying to initiate a session with no established time or rate?

To me at least, it sounds like JJ was hoping she would at some point she would catch a clue and say something like "it is $$ for an hour" but she never did. Originally Posted by Rover14

At which point would JJ have done anything different?

-guy outside
-unwillingness of another provider to vouch for her
-warning bells
-and now a provider asking for $200 an hour and he does not know she is valid?

He would walk just the same. It's the right thing to do.

This was a recipe for disaster from the start....

Yes I am asking questions..... It is what I do....

I think there are inconsistencies in the story.

But when they are all answered I do hope JJ has an explanation for it all.

Did she have rate posted in the welcome wagon? No. I check those kind of things before I ask the questions I do ....


I would think it might be prudent to wait until the YL answers what JJ had to say before you start throwing stuff out. If he did try and strong arm a lady for a free session, then he will have to answer to that. Originally Posted by darter

I think the questions I am asking are valid and relevant based on his initial reply.

I've read a lot of what JJ has said over the last few months and had a number of interactions with him.... Someone is going to have them.... Two were PMd to me by other members that wanted them asked. Yes... I do that for those that are afraid to...

In the end.... He should be able to handle all these questions with an explanation that people will believe or not believe....

I've already said that I can see where she would misunderstand his unwillingness to pay for different reasons

It doesn't mean though that I or others do not want to know more.

...
But when they are all answered I do hope JJ has an explanation for it all. Originally Posted by Whispers

I think we already know the answer on this one. She is upset he didn't verify her and she had to do something else. What, we don't yet know.

I do understand the intent of this thread, I just don't believe she is the cause you want to carry the flag for. I've had suspicions of guys and their actions regarding new providers, but then I don't play in that field so I don't know what it requires. Just like I don't know the strip club game that you have mastered.

A recent thread in the locker room about moco girls had me concerned but apparently everyone else was cool with it.

I think we already know the answer on this one. She is upset he didn't verify her and she had to do something else. What, we don't yet know. I think her contention is that he did actually verify her but as a way of shutting her up... not because there was the prerequisite proof established. I think we will get more on that to clarify.

I do understand the intent of this thread, I just don't believe she is the cause you want to carry the flag for. Her post was totally unexpected at the time. I was looking for something else....and naturally I am looking at my good buddy Mokoa...I would much rather here a story he is involved in.....

I've had suspicions of guys and their actions regarding new providers, but then I don't play in that field so I don't know what it requires. I've researched it enough to understand it as well as what it takes to get their first and and the tactics some of these guys employ..... I believe a lot of the girls get taken advantage of .... I'm only interested thouhg if a MOD is involved or some prominent well thought of Member trading his reputation for leverage over someone unknowing.

Just like I don't know the strip club game like you have mastered. I shelved that for the most part and mastered the SD/SB game which is where I spend most of my time and money but I appreciate the prop.

A recent thread in the locker room about moco girls had me concerned but apparently everyone else was cool with it. Originally Posted by Rover14

I have not remotely looked into that yet.... There are as many different ways for guys and gals to play this game as there are days in a year... I tend to stick close to things that interest me these days....

I AM IN EMOTIONAL OVERLOAD HOW DARE YOU JJ HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT! YOU LYING AND YOU KNOW IT I AM A HUMAN BEING FOR GOD SAKES DO YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ME BECAUSE OF YOUR DOWN RIGHT LIE OF WHAT OCCURRED THAT DAY DO YOU KNOW THE DAMAGE YOU've DONE TO ME AS A PERSON FIRST THE TRUTH OF WHAT OCCURRED IN THE ROOM WILL ONE DAY BE CONFIRMED THAT YOU LIED TAKE SOME ADVICE YOU NEED TO SIT IN FRONT OF A MIRROR TAKE HARD LOOK JJ AND ASK WHAT YOU HAVE STATED WAS WORTH IT WORTH HURTING SOMEONE, THAT DEEP DOWN IN YOUR COLD HEART THAT WHAT YOU DID WAS RIGHT. YOU MAKE ME SICK.

Here's the truth what happened it probably doesn't matter anyways. What was I thinking trying to speak up especially on a mod. It's a shame. Instead of protecting providers you inflict worse to them. I hate you jj!


I came across a client that mention if I had any reviews I was dumb founded and he educated me on a safer environment or so seemed. I started to dip my toes in eccie and becoming a verified provider but it was hell no one took me serious and I never got anyone to reference or review me months went on and I receive a pm from a San Antonio mod asking if I was ready to become verified (hell yeah finally opportunity) I was excited to know I would have a chance to steer away from BP I gave the mod my cell phone number and started to exchange messages he gave me knowledge on certain hotels and hobbyist that have been know to be dangerous I was so grateful. I thought to myself there are good people in this lifestyle more text were exchanged I made sure to say my prices if ever considered me as a provider for himself nothing in life is free and learned in both from providers and opportunity when it came to your growth in this certain site. I set an appointment with this mod and he followed through with it. Mid day I got the knock at the time we set for this mod to show up we sat at the hotel table I had in my room he had me show him I had access to my account and I was not being pimped he also mention his reasoning for reaching out because my photos show question of if I was legal age I'm 25 I don't think I look under 18 but hey if questionable to him maybe he's just taking his job seriously and I respected that we talked for 45 mins about the site and my personal life as it came to a close the mod said so are ready to be verified and standing up so I stupidly thought I guess we're hugging it out and he was leaving but that was not the case I stood in front of the mod he grabbed me and unexpectedly start touching and eating my face I jumped back in shocked I said what are you doing?!?!? His response "I thought you wanted to be verified?" I said wait hh or hour nothing free dude he said there will be no money exchange you could still be a cop or informant I was confused so I said um no money no ass simple as that! He tried to wiggle him into something free saying don't want to be verified isn't it important to you. You don't wanna still be on backpage do you I paused and asked to leave I said I'd rather earn my verification then sell myself short rather sell my self free to get a short cut in becoming a verified member his face had a look of disbelief that would choose to not do it. He walked out opened the door and asked if I was sure I said yes and he left. I juggle thoughts over and over did I do the right thing should have I done it . I never heard from him again after I posted in another area because I wasn't a verified member I may have let a comment slip and some notify the mods of the area of the accusation in a comment I made I got a message asking for my side of the story giving truth and screen shots of texts placing the mod at the time it occurred I don't what happened to him but I doubt anything cause I couldn't prove it happening just because of texts. But assuming that I probably would keep my mouth shut they verified me within 24 hrs the outta no where verification caused question of creditable provider ship even with that being done it took forever to get some to come forth an get an appointment it wasn't till a few days before Christmas I got my first review

But what's crazy that no one has proof the emails that were sent to me no idea

AND THE SADDEST PART WITH EVERYTHING EXCHANGED WITH MY STORIES AND E-MAILS SENT REGARDING WHAT HAPPENED I WAS ASKED WHAT I FELT LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN (my exact words) I DONT WANT TO MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE SITUATION I DONT WANT TO GET JJ IN TROUBLE I DONT WANT THE DRAMA I JUST WANT VERIFICATION BECAUSE I WAS SEEN SITUATION MAY HAVE BEEN FUCKED UP BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE PAST IT.

Crazy huh? I still defended you after what you did. Why? Because I am a good person and everyone deserves second changes you may of not read the e-mails which you should have taken the time to do so. Cause IF AND WHEN they do come to surface I hope you feel shame from the lies of your side of the story. It's only gonna make you look even worse as a person that bashed and hurt me and I wanted to still protect your ass!

I feel that I've said everything that needs to be said I don't need to constantly prove my truth to anyone that is the whole story and truth so I've said my peace. I will just sit and wait for everything to surface
Thank you
IAMSUMMER
THE FAMOUS MYSTERIOUSLY UNREVIEWED AND NO REFERENCE NEEDED VERIFIED PROVIDER.

the stories are coming from the ladies themselves..... Originally Posted by Whispers

How do you know the stories they are telling are true? To paraphrase you they are all out to get as much money as they can out of a guy and that is all they care about. Are you trying to become the provider champion or something?

I have no doubt that the ladies get taken advantage of by some people. I also have no doubt many of them lie. In this case I have no idea who is telling the truth. I do not know either person and have no way of judging what is being stated. If the provider is telling the truth at least she was smart enough to tell JJ to piss off and she ended up with the status she wanted. If JJ is telling the truth he now has to decide whether or not to respond. Based on my experience he loses either way. It appears you have already made your decision on who you believe and will pick apart anything he says.

I AM IN EMOTIONAL OVERLOAD ... Originally Posted by iamsummer

...IAMSUMMER
THE FAMOUS MYSTERIOUSLY UNREVIEWED AND NO REFERENCE NEEDED VERIFIED PROVIDER. Originally Posted by iamsummer

Who doesn't appreciate a lady with a wry sense of humor?

And how heartening to see that she has recovered from the extreme distress of thirty minutes earlier.

I can't be the only one that noticed two different writing styles in this post.

I AM IN EMOTIONAL OVERLOAD HOW DARE YOU JJ HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT! YOU LYING AND YOU KNOW IT I AM A HUMAN BEING FOR GOD SAKES DO YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ME BECAUSE OF YOUR DOWN RIGHT LIE OF WHAT OCCURRED THAT DAY DO YOU KNOW THE DAMAGE YOU've DONE TO ME AS A PERSON FIRST THE TRUTH OF WHAT OCCURRED IN THE ROOM WILL ONE DAY BE CONFIRMED THAT YOU LIED TAKE SOME ADVICE YOU NEED TO SIT IN FRONT OF A MIRROR TAKE HARD LOOK JJ AND ASK WHAT YOU HAVE STATED WAS WORTH IT WORTH HURTING SOMEONE, THAT DEEP DOWN IN YOUR COLD HEART THAT WHAT YOU DID WAS RIGHT. YOU MAKE ME SICK.

Here's the truth what happened it probably doesn't matter anyways. What was I thinking trying to speak up especially on a mod. It's a shame. Instead of protecting providers you inflict worse to them. I hate you jj!


I came across a client that mention if I had any reviews I was dumb founded and he educated me on a safer environment or so seemed. I started to dip my toes in eccie and becoming a verified provider but it was hell no one took me serious and I never got anyone to reference or review me months went on and I receive a pm from a San Antonio mod asking if I was ready to become verified (hell yeah finally opportunity) I was excited to know I would have a chance to steer away from BP I gave the mod my cell phone number and started to exchange messages he gave me knowledge on certain hotels and hobbyist that have been know to be dangerous I was so grateful. I thought to myself there are good people in this lifestyle more text were exchanged I made sure to say my prices if ever considered me as a provider for himself nothing in life is free and learned in both from providers and opportunity when it came to your growth in this certain site. I set an appointment with this mod and he followed through with it. Mid day I got the knock at the time we set for this mod to show up we sat at the hotel table I had in my room he had me show him I had access to my account and I was not being pimped he also mention his reasoning for reaching out because my photos show question of if I was legal age I'm 25 I don't think I look under 18 but hey if questionable to him maybe he's just taking his job seriously and I respected that we talked for 45 mins about the site and my personal life as it came to a close the mod said so are ready to be verified and standing up so I stupidly thought I guess we're hugging it out and he was leaving but that was not the case I stood in front of the mod he grabbed me and unexpectedly start touching and eating my face I jumped back in shocked I said what are you doing?!?!? His response "I thought you wanted to be verified?" I said wait hh or hour nothing free dude he said there will be no money exchange you could still be a cop or informant I was confused so I said um no money no ass simple as that! He tried to wiggle him into something free saying don't want to be verified isn't it important to you. You don't wanna still be on backpage do you I paused and asked to leave I said I'd rather earn my verification then sell myself short rather sell my self free to get a short cut in becoming a verified member his face had a look of disbelief that would choose to not do it. He walked out opened the door and asked if I was sure I said yes and he left. I juggle thoughts over and over did I do the right thing should have I done it . I never heard from him again after I posted in another area because I wasn't a verified member I may have let a comment slip and some notify the mods of the area of the accusation in a comment I made I got a message asking for my side of the story giving truth and screen shots of texts placing the mod at the time it occurred I don't what happened to him but I doubt anything cause I couldn't prove it happening just because of texts. But assuming that I probably would keep my mouth shut they verified me within 24 hrs the outta no where verification caused question of creditable provider ship even with that being done it took forever to get some to come forth an get an appointment it wasn't till a few days before Christmas I got my first review

But what's crazy that no one has proof the emails that were sent to me no idea Originally Posted by iamsummer

Something is weird here...I can't quite put my finger on it. I'm reserving my judgment for the moment.

If anyone has private information to add...please PM me.

If there is going to be another trial...I offer my services, pro bono...