My top 10 reasons "Newbies" are declined services

Being new I've made some rookie mistakes, I continue to studie the art of becoming a better provider. New hobbyist should do the same. There are new hobbyist that I would love to see, but they make rookie mistakes. Here's my top 10 can anyone add to the list please.

1. After reading my showcase they ask for a specific service and associate a price for it.
2. Dirty language
3. Late response to questions
4. Hagel over posted donation
5. Outcall with no references
6. llittle or no activity on site
7. Lies
8. Doesn't use proper terminology
9. Rude
10. Explains fetish then asks how much Originally Posted by topekarain

Ive done #1, but I never ask about a price, I figure I'll be told a price. Which is the price. That's it.

I have not done #2-10. #4:Haggle? Lol, do you see anyone go to a fine restaurant, order a steak and say, "I'll only pay $12 for it, is that cool? That's a no-no,

At least use rookies give you laughs, right?

What makes me nervous is when a P411 profile does not list a set amount. $250-$300 dollars. So, what is the price of admittance? Is it $250? Is it $300? Is it $295? HUH?

And then comes the question of why the client is asking price. It is hard to know the donation when a range is specified. I generally do not waste time when I see something like that. Originally Posted by bikebryan

and that's why a client wants to know the menu and/or asks for a specific service
not all men carry sekret decoder rings or like CBJs or Russians or Greek, some guys just want to know how much for you to paint their house in the nude

Bring cash???

I've learned, (the hard way) to only bring the donation agreed upon for the time scheduled. If you up sell I walk away. I do not haggle with what you ask and I expect it to be the truth so why would I bring anything extra. Of course that does not include a tip for providers I have seen before and know will be worth the tip for their time.

Also, I am be no means new to this hobby, but hate doing the reference thing. I guess that will be changing since so many of you here expect it, but I just value my privacy and am very secretive about my hobby. I hate associating who I am with any accounts I may have or phone numbers I use. Call me paranoid, but it has kept me safe for a very long time.

That's just my opinion though... Originally Posted by GiveMeLibertyOrGiveMeHead

I thought you were supposed to set the donation in plain site, on a table or something
upsell? does that mean you get your donation back? what if they grab it to count it and never put it back down?
I don't have references, I think, in accordance with this thread, there needs to be a newbie/rookie guide to this EC-interactions
thank you

You dont get everything on the menu for a dollar at McDonald's? Originally Posted by topekarain

no
but you never have to guess what you are going to get for what price
Everything I read on this site seems to tell me everything is your mileage may vary,

that's how I came up with my signature line

. If you advertise GFE then you should be GFE from the start since many gents will only see you once every several months. Originally Posted by CryptKicker

Very good advice.

You dont get everything on the menu for a dollar at McDonald's? Originally Posted by topekarain

No, you dont. But what you will get IS clearly stated.

And you clearly don't fully understand the definition of GFE. Originally Posted by CryptKicker

My exact thoughts. I think a lot of girls don't, but they advertise it to get more business.

By whos definition sweetie, my GFE may consist of everything on the list, you never know! Originally Posted by topekarain

This comment is pretty contradicting to your previous comment.

Well, no offense, but that is sort of the problem. You are asking guys to drop a chunk of change on you, and per your words - they don't know what they may, or may not be getting. Or they don't know how many times they have to drop a couple of benjamins before they get something worth writing home to mum about.

The first complaint in your list was guys who ask about specific services, and what your rate for that service is. But your "GFE" and "Non-GFE" rate structure, coupled with your tap dance to avoid defining the difference between the two, forces them to do exactly that - ask you about what specifically distinguishes the two, and what rate they should expect to pay.

Guys will only jump through so many hoops before moving on. Try to eliminate some of the hoops, and you'll get better results. It will also help you avoid the "upseller" reputation as well, which again no offense, your rate and service structure has you dancing right on the edge of. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Need I say more?? And any advice coming from Sins is usually spot -on. She knows her shit!

This thread has gotten way off base. Thank you to those who stayed on topic. Have a great day!!!!!!;-) Originally Posted by topekarain

I think you may have misread the feedback to your thread. Your post is about reasons you deny newbies services, yet you seem to not fully understand the terms describing the activities you provide.

Since you're new it is beneficial to truly understand what all is included in gfe. Its a girlfriend experience. Instead of gfe use ymmv until you figure out just how much you want to do.

Rain's still trying to figure out the definition of GFE, while I know what that means (to me).

Rain's still trying to figure out the definition of GFE, while I know what that means (to me). Originally Posted by alterego1

what happens when you pay for GFE and then the provider doesnt give you what you think GFE service is and to get to the level of what you think GFE service is, she increases the price(in the middle of your session)

this is why I don't understand why it is "wrong" to clarify what service you'll get for what price before meeting, ie via PMs or phone, etc.
thoughts?

I, for one, may reiterate that I am GFE through a pm or I will direct guys to my website and reviews. I won't pm specifics but my reviews prove that I am a GFE provider. I would suggest to any potential client to read reviews or ask other guys that may have seen her what she offers... is she GFE, does she upsell etc. I always think spending a little extra time for research is beneficial for both parties.

I typically lay out my expectations ahead of time to see if the provider can accommodate them. Even those that say GFE. I don't want to be disappointed. I also agree that the research is key.

The irony of this post is a newbie provider giving advice to people who have been in the hobby for years. Has it occurred to you that some men lurk here & never post much or review but have hobbied for years?

Being "active" here or on other sites means very little, imo.

ElumEno I only attached the link of the discussion to point you in the proper direction sweetie.
I was only trying to stay on topic. My personal definition depends on my client. The more frequently I see them the more comfortable I become in my GFE.

How many girlfriends have you had that started off wit CIM right from the start? and if she did, thats a keeper! Originally Posted by topekarain

Eeee! I'm a keeper!

Sounds like you need to learn how to screen. I actually prefer it if I don't have to do provider references. I actually meet a lot of the lurkers here. Most are easily screened or have awesome references, and a few have P411. And most of my business is from infrequent clients. I would never hold a man's lack of activity on this board or lack of reviews against him. As long as he's a real gentleman (whether he lies or not), and not the cops, he's cool.

Hagglers get nowhere with me. Of course, there are some who are not gentlemen, and anyone who can't see meeting me like meeting any other human being, I completely ignore. Some guys only need a light warning about the questioning. They only want to make sure they're not disappointed or upsold, and I assure them that after screening they are free to talk candidly.

I actually don't understand 3. Or 8. But know that if you're going to jail, you're going to jail whether you talk about your services before or after.

But know that if you're going to jail, you're going to jail whether you talk about your services before or after. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Ain't that the truth!!