NOW P411 has taken down the provider AD BOARD

Wow, way to treat your customers. That attitude shows a little bit of disrespect towards those you serve. I bet if you say that to every disgruntled customer, you will soon be replaced in the market. Originally Posted by iquit
Who would she be replaced by?

No seriously.

I'm sure as hell not gonna take on that risk or leave the country to do so. Neither is anyone else reading this more than likely. She can do whatever the hell she wants because she is the only one providing the service that she provides at the cost she provides it. Complain all you want but until she has any viable competition whatsoever she has no incentive to change. Econ101, folks.
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It seems to me, you wouldn't be hiring "someone off the streets", maybe a former provider? Originally Posted by H.Hardhat
Due to the fact that we are a Canadian owned and operated company, we are restricted to hiring only Canadians. The bulk of what we do is in the USA, so I really just don't know any Canadian providers looking for another line of work that I would consider having work with us. There are only a tiny handful of USA providers I would even consider for the position, IF I could hire them.

Screening is what you do after all. And they would not necessarily have to have access to accounts, but only screen ads and pass violations on to another one of your more trusted staff. Originally Posted by H.Hardhat
The worst part was arguing with providers about whether a term or phrase was in violation or not, so this would only eliminate a small part of the problem. I'm really happy that we won't have to do that any more, the last 5 months has been hellish.

Having just joined, I liked the ads, I know that providers pay a hefty fee for the ads as many have commented so. Originally Posted by H.Hardhat
Ad Board posts in Home and Visiting Cities were FREE up until this past Monday, which is when we started charging a small fee for the Ads. The Ad Board is now gone and so is that fee that was in place for 5 days.

The providers' P411 account and Home Listing remains FREE, as it always has been. There are additional upgrades they can purchase if they wish, but 95% do not. Upgrades are completely optional and not necessary to take full advantage of the site as a provider.
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Originally Posted by gtoman
So your friend, are they planning to charge a membership fee for people to read or respond to the ads? Will their site be a pay site as well?
You would have to talk to him about that, I really don't know. However if he's going to want help from P411 in promoting it, he'll need to be treating P411 members very well.

Will the cost of P411 be going down since there are less benefits of having access now and you have less work to manage the site?
No, the cost will not be going down.

We are a verification service first and foremost, and we will continue to be. That we've had to remove sexual terminology from the site is due to a change in Canadian law, not because we wanted to.

Personally, I would have loved to have been able to keep the Activities List and the blown HTML Ad Board without having to monitor it, which is what we did up until December. Unfortunately, the law changed and we had to make changes to keep the site legal.

For five months we made an effort to keep the Ad Board going without increasing any cost. It was for too much work and arguing with providers was wearing on me, so we increased the price as a way to decrease the number of ads being posted, and hopefully the number of ads that were in violation (since they would lose the points if in violation). The increase in price was not well taken, and I decided to be done with it altogether, and I'm glad to have made that decision (although I wish things could have remained as they were, before the law changed).


I do wish there were a way to filter by girls currently online, that would be helpful.
The providers currently Online are always the ones at the top of the list, directly under any Top10 Listings.

I will ask our developer to make a filter in the Advanced Search area though.

If any one has any questions or concerns, I'm also available via email.

Always,
Gina
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Her competition will come sooner than later. What I'm seeing here is a double personality. Gina, we make you $, your attitude STINKS... I had no idea! Me no likee...
....What I'm seeing here is a double personality.... Originally Posted by LatinaMoxie
Yes good point.

I've noticed this too. I've always noticed the stress induced behavior I can relate to.

But that sassy-ness to DM could have been avoided.

And I'm sure she's noticed me say (before) that I'm sad i missed that free 6 months by maybe just a few weeks or less. I've never received a pm from her offering it to me.

So the fact is that I intentionally delayed renewal for 6 months to get even. Turns out I've been gone over 2 years which sucked $260 out of her pocket...an amount now growing.

Some entrepreneurs never understand that.
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Due to the fact that we are a Canadian owned and operated company, we are restricted to hiring only Canadians. The bulk of what we do is in the USA, so I really just don't know any Canadian providers looking for another line of work that I would consider having work with us. There are only a tiny handful of USA providers I would even consider for the position, IF I could hire them.

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

She is very right here, the Canadian government is very protective of its workforce. When I travel to Canada, I have to say I am there for vacation. If I say business the authorities get real nosy. One time they asked what I business I would be doing? I answered training the local offices. They then asked couldn't Canadians conduct the training? My answer was no, the Canadians cannot figure out shit ... which is why I am here. It took four hours to get thru customs that day.
Since your business is legal in Canada I'm not sure why you can't hire Canadians to work for you. You're not the only company in Canada that handles sensitive information about its clients. A simple employment contract with strict penalties for misuse of client information is both legal and enforceable in Canada. Why not do that?
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Because its a pain in the ass.
Because its a pain near her taint. Originally Posted by pyramider
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She said she can't hire people because of them having access sensitive information. Not because it's a pain in the ass.

Lots of companies handle sensitive information - even in Canada.

Since her company is legal there she actually has more protective measures in place by law if she were to hire a qualified admin(s). They would be bound by an enforceable legal agreement to protect p411 member's information.
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Since your business is legal in Canada I'm not sure why you can't hire Canadians to work for you. You're not the only company in Canada that handles sensitive information about its clients. A simple employment contract with strict penalties for misuse of client information is both legal and enforceable in Canada. Why not do that? Originally Posted by thathottnurse
(THN)-She's just giving us BS excuses like DM said. Dorthy is a pers on you love of hate. But she'll tell it like it is and that's why she's my favorite persona on this board! Muah!
Now, she's got choices but won't cause she don't WANT! I dislike her attitude as an owner of a business. The way she talks to girls like we're dumbass pieces of shit but if it wasn't for us, she'd be broke. Ppl will start dropping like flies, not because of the ad removal or changes but mostly that attitude!
By the way, we're not all "Stupid little bitches", I am a descent person raising my family in a very good area of town. I've got brains and I know exactly what I'm doing with my life and don't plan to do this for much longer. But while I'm here, I'm having fun! I like to fuck, which keeps me sane, and I love sucking dick! Yep, it's a huge part of why I don't blow up with anger. I get fucked right, I'm a happy girl. Happy girl=happy mom lol! There's more to life than being a bitch. Maybe you (GXXX) should take one of these very nice guys offers?!
PS: LOL
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I use P411 as an additional verification process for girls from ECCIE. I will PM a girl on P411 so she sees that I am verified. I never used the AD boards. Use ECCIE for reviews and pics and all the other info they provide.

My rules are is that I do not see any girls that are only on ECCIE, unless I have a friend that has seen them. Like to see the additional P411 verification.

I will continue to use P411.
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I used the P411 ad board a lot and will miss it, but still remain pleased with the overall P411 service. I've used it for years and it has made the verification process much easier for me.

It's unfortunate that the new laws in Canada have led to changes on the site that neither clients, providers nor Gina wanted.
Please understand that this comment was directed towards a specific person who is extremely unhappy with P411, yet still takes advantage of our free Advertising.

That person really is welcome to take her business elsewhere, but chooses to stay and be annoying instead. It was not directed towards anyone other than her.

Always,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX
I want you to say what you said here so we can see how professional you really are... Come on miss I dare you... It's not free advertising when you get absolutely no buisness from there... The only time I use p411 is to verify gents from here that dont need to do my screening because theyhave p411.. Your site is basically a free screening form that is saved so they don't have to fill out screening for each girl they see.. But instead of taking 5 min to do this they rather pay for someone to do it & keep it so when they need it they can access it...
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Way back in the day... as in, when Private Connections was still up and going, I thought one of your employees lived in the States.....
A mess......