Economy and the hobby

Textodd,

Could agree more. You are exactly on point. That is my view.

TxP

-How in the hell can/does a guy dictate or force a provider's rate?
Seriously. There are all sorts of accusations/claims in this thread that this is being done and I have yet to see anything from this end that would lead me to believe that this "forced" rate is even going on.

-Doesn't a provider have the final say in ANY decision they make; including her rate?
If it's something she's not agreeable to, why wouldn't she just say no?
Are these turds holding a gun to the lady's head or what?

I am completely serious with regard to the questions above because I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my fingers around the fact that some dude wields so much power that he could pull-off a stunt like this.

Regards,
SKF

Originally Posted by SofaKingFun

Those were my questions as well. If a provider is "bullied" into lowering her rates or forced to give someone a discount, can't they just show them the door and then put an alert on them? I would think something like this would definitely be alert worthy, especially if they are being threatened in any way.

No one should have to put up with that kind of stuff, no matter who the offending party is.

WM-How I come across is honest and straight to the point/ not a bull shitter and no not subtle. Never have been. Never pretended to. Never will.


WM, this may be how you believe you come across to others but I can assure you it is not.

in this hobby variety is very much a factor. i cannot afford due to time and money issues to hobby often hence i repeat very rarely preferring to experience as wide of an array of women as possible. however when a provider i have enjoyed offer a great special say 100 for a half ill often jump on the deal as having had great experience in the past i know i will enjoy again. recently a very well reviewed woman in rochester who has a rate of 250 offered a 2 week special of 200 which while my funds were short made it a deal i could not pass on. how many guys out there have always wanted a duo but couldnt afford one. if 2 great gals in your area suddenly offered a 299 duo you would run to take advantage and at the end of an hour or 30 minutes your fantasy would have been realized the girls have some cash otherwise they may not and a customer and friend that with luck will repeat many times. people get way to personally insulted when discussing money. everyone thinks they should get more for their home and pay less for the one their buying. everyone thinks the car dealer is crazy to offer that low for your car and every dealer thinks everyone wants too much for theirs. providers all want a good buck for what they do and every guy wants more bang for his buck. when all is said and done everone will do whats best for themselves but please see the other persons side

I know as to what he was pertaining to regarding customer loyalty.
And my question still remains.
To what extent does the hobbyist become loyal to the provider who's offering the special?
Gawd I despise the words customer/client. I sure don't refer to nor look at any of the gents I spend time with as customers/clients.
Those words to define them, irk me.

If I offer specials It's for everyone.
I don't offer specials based on how many times I spent companionship with someone. I don't believe in the so called *customer loyalty* in this adult lifestyle. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

Really? I disagree 100%.
Your not on the hobby side of the fence that the ladies are on and thus you don't experience what we do.
So yes w/ a doubt I stand by that post. And no it doesn't make me disrespectful at all for pointing out that there are some men in SA who do disrespect & demean women. Sadly, in all my hobby experience. I've seen it a lot in SA than anywhere else. I guess, your not liking the fact that I'm honest about it and bring it to light. I make zero apologies for it.

The gentlemen (not clients). That I spend time with KNOW 100% how I am and how I adore and respect them. And yes, many of them know about some of the unsavory/disrespectful men that are in this hobby/in this city. They read/listen & see with their own eyes.
They get it and they understand it. I guess it makes those understanding men disrespectful too???


You don't have to like or agree with what I say. But don't tell me how I really feel about the gentlemen I see.
You couldn't be more wrong as you don't know how I really feel. Until I personally tell you. Don't assume.

Never has one paragraph said so much about how one provider really feels about her clients than this one. And yet, feels the need to lecture us on the concepts of respect and disrespect.

THAT my friends is priceless. Originally Posted by textodd11

WM-How I come across is honest and straight to the point/ not a bull shitter and no not subtle. Never have been. Never pretended to. Never will.
WM, this may be how you believe you come across to others but I can assure you it is not. Originally Posted by Budman

That's your viewpoint. And the same can be said of all your posts as well as others. I don't express my opinions in a manner to please you nor anyone else. You don't like how straightforward I am or my opinions. Then feel free to put me on your ignore.


What's funny is how some of you are reading between the lines. Twisting what's being said. So stop with the PM's attacking me because you don't like my opinions.
Side note:
I never stated anywhere in all my posts. (all men) are unsavory. Read carefully, I stated (some men) in this hobby are unsavory. From the hobby fence the providers are on. It's true. Due to experiences encountered.
I never stated specials/discounts were wrong.
I indicated that there are some men who dictate that providers should lower their rates or even dictate what their rates should be. (and upon doing so some men even expressed that's the only time they will go see the provider and that's when they will appreciate the provider). And we've seen time & again men who openly post such about providers & what they should & shouldn't charge.

I think I can see many points of value in here...

1) Yes rates help the gents in this hard economic time, which is wonderful. But we do have personal lives and expenses as well. So the economy does effect us. Groceries are more expensive for us as well, we have to fill up our tanks with that same 2.60+ gas. So while our specials help you, please keep in mind that we actually do have to work harder to make the same amount.

2) a Girl can make her decisions on her rates based on business and competetion. No harm no Foul.

3) I completely agree that you should take care of your repeat dates. And appreciate their business and take care of them.

not to be mean,but that is funny...
i guess i could explain why but id rather not and not piss off or offend anyone, but in the "business" you all are in, what do you expect?

and i would appreciate the girl more by repeating alot more with her with lowered rates.
and its total bullshit about if a chick lowers the price she will get scumbags as clients. i think sofaking said it best in his post. Cuz i know for one, i would rather see a girl 10 times for the 70 or 80, versus seeing her only one or 2 times for 120, and im not some scumbag even tho i can act, and dress like one at times.
now if thats the case, lower them for us guys here in this site, or like home2, or whatever..save the "normal" rates for others not verified..?

this is like boystown in mexico... the hottest chick is charging like , e.g., $100. no one goes with her to the back. The decent looking girls rate is like $50.. shes had clients all night. Who wins out? Simple math. Do you really think that girl cares about if she is appreciated or not? i highly doubt it considering shes a "wh..e" If thats the case, maybe get another type of carrer? now this is mexico where there are not much options, and of course there are always exceptions. Originally Posted by bigrich75

This was a little over the top. Yes I promise we do care how we are treated and respected by our dates.. business or otherwise. I can say that being appreciated is what makes this enjoyable to me. Think about a couple of points:

Most men that hobby are married and lacking something in their personal life so they come to us to have that fulfilled:
I know it makes me feel SOOO good to be able to make him happy both physically and mentally. To offer something that he isn't getting elsewhere. So yes appreciation is the driving force of that.

We are not the typical girl that you meet at a bar that you have to take to dinner, buy drinks, whooo her.. in hopes that she will give you some... whether its good or not. Then expect her to not call you or expect anything more from you. We are a simple solution to your complicated problems. And that should be appreciated.

And that goes back to the old saying: You know the difference between a WHORE (since you so sentively used that word) and a girlfriend.... You have no idea what it will cost you to get laid with a gf ... and a WHORE is probably going to be cheaper.

There has been a decline for me. I am a low volume provider so I thought this was an issue. I do try to see it from the hobbyist point of view and will negotiate. I do offer specials for any client who has seen me more that 2 times.

I do think at some point its an insult to the lady to offer to low rates. It does seem to invite trouble. I have clients who save up for my time and know the value of it. I can not see where "giving " it away will increase my business.

I do wish all the ladies the best of luck and please be safe

That's your viewpoint. And the same can be said of all your posts as well as others. I don't express my opinions in a manner to please you nor anyone else. You don't like how straightforward I am or my opinions. Then feel free to put me on your ignore. Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

You may very well be a nice person but your statement that you come across as "honest and straight to the point......" is not accurate. I'm not saying you are not these things. What I'm saying is the general perception of your board persona is that of a mean spirited man hating.....(fill in the blanks).

You could say the same about me if I had made a post claiming I come across as "low key, non-confrontational guy". But since I didn't post any such drivel your statment makes no sense.

ENOUGH!! Stop attacking my character. Unless your sitting beside me as I express myself and you know 100% w/o a doubt that my behavior at that given moment is one of hatred & mean spirited as I post. Then you have no right to accuse nor attack me of such.. Leave my character alone!
You comment on the topic at hand and not about my character.

I'm tired of being attacked and accused of being this gawd awful person. Just because some of you folks can't stand my opinions or how I choose to bluntly/honestly post them.

You may very well be a nice person but your statement that you come across as "honest and straight to the point......" is not accurate. I'm not saying you are not these things. What I'm saying is the general perception of your board persona is that of a mean spirited man hating.....(fill in the blanks).

You could say the same about me if I had made a post claiming I come across as "low key, non-confrontational guy". But since I didn't post any such drivel your statment makes no sense. Originally Posted by Budman

That's it.

Time for everyone to cool off.

I will open this up again after everyone has had a chance to relax.

I have re-opened this thread.

I will remind all of you to stay on topic and keep it polite and civil.

Thank you.

So, is the economy effecting the hobby?

Of course it's effecting the hobby. Fewer hobbiests and with less money to spend, while the unemployed girls out there are turning to the oldest profession. Supply and demand.

Most everyone is spending less,,,,,,,

Except the government.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

Yeah I could have a blast if I could use my tax money on the hobby instead. Wow, I would be worn out.