Yeah, probably part of the vast international conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
(what a maroon) Originally Posted by ozmosys
I'll tell you and your new best friend Sundog that I hope you are right and I'm wrong because if I'm right it's the end of the US as we know it because Obama'sHmmm ... I don't recall declaring anyone my new best friend. But I suppose that you can just make up your own facts, if you think it helps you convince others that you're right and they're wrong.
ideas of Social Justice and Marxist tendencies will destroy the country. Originally Posted by kingorpawn
Besides, all this red-baiting of Obama is so lame. No one in the world community considers Obama a Marxist, except for a few remnants of the KKK, who don't like the idea of having a black president.Typical. Can't win the debate with facts or logic, so play the race card.
And isn't that what this secession bullshit really boils down to? Originally Posted by ozmosys
Typical. Can't win the debate with facts or logic, so play the race card. Originally Posted by ThrillBill88Yeah, the same race card that Mitt Romney played when he whined that he got his ass kicked because Obama was promising "gifts" to blacks and Hispanics.
Endurance, you seem to forget that the original TARP bailout was a Bush deal, jammed through by Henry Paulson (Goldman - Sachs, CSX) because he had gotten word of the massive disaster caused mostly by the dismantling of Glass-Steagall. Glass-Steagall served us well for many decades because it limited the leverage exposure in the marketplace. Then some clever folks who deal with other people's money invented the derivatives market, Glass-Steagall was burned on the floor of the exchange, and the crooks were off to the races. After the 2008 election the Obama team put limits and requirements on the TARP money, and at least that much of it had accountability and was paid back. As far as Geithner is concerned I've never been thrilled with him. Volker was a calming voice in a turbulent moment. The real culprit was Greenspan, and he's even admitted as much. Oh, and don't forget Mister Unlimited Economic Growth - Milton Friedman. Unlimited growth in the human body is called cancer. Sustainability is what we should be after, and that comes with self-discipline and self-sufficiency. Globalization makes us internationally dependent and serves only the bankers and the uber-rich. I've never been a fan. I am a fan, however, of helping others to become self-sufficient in micro-economies in the realm of fuel, energy and food, and I think there is an answer there, but we can't do that at the end of a gun barrel.Sort of; however, I don't have a problem with Social Justice. The Repub want to limit social entitlements and the Demo want to have more social entitlements. I do believe there a lot of people that need those entitlements. My problem with Obama's way of thinking is that he believes from what I've seen is that taxing the hell of everything is the way to prosperity. It failed in California. It failed in Europe. The 65 yr socialist experiment has failed. The more entitlements you give, the more people will get use to it. We got 40 million people on food stamps. It's unsustainable. Cities are broke. We have unfunded pension funds. Obama-care will be paid for by just taxing whatever Obama wants too which will become nothing more that socialized health-care. He will put more liberal judges in the supreme court to continue his outdated beliefs.
I couldn't agree with you more that blame resides on both sides of the aisle, but the answer is in accountability, not in term limits, or in scrapping the whole shebang. Proper exercise of accountability i.e., prosecution of the guilty (re: Randy Cunniningham and others like him) is a form of term limits in itself. Too often governing bodies drape themselves with immunity even before they act.
As far as Freddie and Fannie are concerned, those institutions bought toxic mortgages that were certified AAA by S&P, Moody's, et al. They don't write mortgages. Their incompetence resided in their failure to perform an exacting due diligence. Why didn't they do that? Well, possibly because the "trusted and respected" ratings entities had given their blessings. Freddie and Fannie weren't the only ones fooled...Lehman is gone, Merrill-Lynch got sucked up by BOA, Countrywide is toast, and the perpetrators are living abroad with their ill-gotten gains.
I welcome Elizabeth Warren into the fray. I agree that the Fed is "owned" by the banks. I agree that having an independent manager of our currency is a good idea (Elizabeth Warren again), but to ignore overpopulation as a root cause for this is to ignore the human nature that accompanies dangerous times such as these. Rats in a maze with limited food comes to mind. India and China are building interstate highway systems and cars. Gasoline prices are going up, up and away. Petroleum resources, vital to the food supply more than even transportation because of their use in fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and ag fuels are dwindling, no matter how much we frack (which brings me to water use in fracking, but then this tome could go on forever...). What I'm trying to say is that greed as a means of protecting yourself from the is a pretty natural response to the problems we face, which is why we need controls and regulations to limit that greed.
Endurance, we are on the same page, and I have actually been on that path since my return from Vietnam, and will continue to be an advocate and entrepreneur in that field until I expire and they make me into a big pot of green chile. It's not wise to waste food, even though I might be a little old and tough.
Oh, one more thing - kingorpawn, judging by the retro argument you keep spouting I'm guessing you are of the Christian persuasion. If so, what do you have against social justice? Your hair is still on fire, but maybe you don't have indoor plumbing. In that case I don't blame you for sticking your head in there. Originally Posted by sundog
Yeah, the same race card that Mitt Romney played when he whined that he got his ass kicked because Obama was promising "gifts" to blacks and Hispanics.Oz you have been playing the race card from the beginning. Obama used it pretty well himself. Everybody I know that likes Obama accuses me of being racist. I actually like Obama. I find him entertaining. I could probably hang out with guy. I just don't like his ridiculous ideology because they are
But Romney just dealt a dead man's hand to the GOP, if they want the WH in 2016. Unless they do some serious sucking up to a non-white demographic, they will soon go the way of Twinkies, Ho Ho's, and Wonder Bread.
That will be a difficult balancing act for the party that's been sucking up to disaffected whites in the South ever since the Civil Rights act. They might just get all sucked out. Originally Posted by ozmosys
The more entitlements you give, the more people will get use to it. We got 40 million people on food stamps. It's unsustainable. Originally Posted by kingorpawnFood stamps aren't an entitlement. They're an agricultural subsidy, and they generate about $1.80 in economic stimulus for every dollar spent.
Food stamps aren't an entitlement. They're an agricultural subsidy, and they generate about $1.80 in economic stimulus for every dollar spent.Like I said there are definitely folks that need them and that includes medicare, medicaid, but they can also be abused. We need to reduce or eliminate fraud and give it to only those that need it. I will say one thing. Because of the recession, perhaps, giving out food stamps was a good thing to reduce crime or soup lines. But Obama has too start moving the economy forward, long-term. We'll see.
And $76 billion in a $15 trillion economy is hardly unsustainable. That's around a half of a percent.
I think we can afford that, so that low-income people, including U.S. soldiers, can put a little extra food on the table. Unless we're a nation of Scrooges. Originally Posted by ozmosys