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Catholics, et al DO NOT HAVE TO BUY INSURANCE! Nobody is forcing them buy jackshit.


confusing isnt it?

Catholics, et al DO NOT HAVE TO BUY INSURANCE! Nobody is forcing them buy jackshit.


confusing isnt it? Originally Posted by CJ7

You are a liar. Of course they are required to buy insurance, and Obamacare requires them to pay for birth control. The later is a violation of the First Amendment.

high road name calling at its finest.

The law itself states: “If an applicable individual fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) [having a government-approved health-insurance policy]… there is hereby imposed a penalty with respect to the individual.”
Elsewhere, in a section entitled “Payment of Penalty,” it says that individuals failing to carry a government-approved health insurance policy must pay a maximum penalty of $750.


required but not FORCED ...

yet nobody can provide the section/article in the law that mandates cathoilcs use rubbers Originally Posted by CJ7

OK, CJ7, Stevie, because I'm in a GOOD mood today, rather than give you an opportunity to practice your Google-fu, I'm going to give you the exact text from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:


PART THREE: LIFE IN CHRIST

• SECTION TWO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
  • CHAPTER TWO YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF
    • Article 6 THE SIXTH COMMANDMENT
      • III. The Love of Husband and Wife

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.157 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:158

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality.... the difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.159

For the clue-impaired: The Catechism of the Catholic Church is *THE* reference on the beliefs of Catholicism.

high road name calling at its finest. Originally Posted by CJ7

DEFINITION: 1. liar [noun] - a person who has lied or who lies repeatedly. That is you.

DEFINITION: 1. hypocrite [noun] - A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for. That is also you.

The law itself states: “If an applicable individual fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) [having a government-approved health-insurance policy]… there is hereby imposed a penalty with respect to the individual.”
Elsewhere, in a section entitled “Payment of Penalty,” it says that individuals failing to carry a government-approved health insurance policy must pay a maximum penalty of $750.

required but not FORCED ... Originally Posted by CJ7

More equivocation on your part. Paying a penalty [or is that a tax - have they figured that out yet? which is it?] to the government to fund and administer the provisions of Obamacare (in violation of the First Amendment) is no different than paying an insurance premium to fund and administer the provisions of Obamacare (in violation of the First Amendment).

Catholics, et al DO NOT HAVE TO BUY INSURANCE! Nobody is forcing them buy jackshit.


confusing isnt it? Originally Posted by CJ7

Are you truly this ignorant, or do simply have respect for the rest of us who are able to think?

The objection is not whether individual Catholics have to buy insurance, the objection is that the Church will have to provide insurance for employees that includes provisions the Church finds anathema.

Quit changing the argument. Or pay better attention.

the objection is that the Church will have to provide insurance for employees that includes provisions the Church finds anathema.


no they dont, they can pay the penalty. Much like large companies are debating doing right now.

or so some here have reported.

So they should be penalized for their faith. Nice job eradicating the 1st Amendment, but as we already know, you don't care for the Constitution or freedom anyway, so at least you're consistent.

So they should be penalized for their faith. Nice job eradicating the 1st Amendment, but as we already know, you don't care for the Constitution or freedom anyway, so at least you're consistent. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

YAAAAAAAAWN.


typical fanatic spin shit response.

as much money as the cathoilc church has paid out in molestation settlements over the last decade I wouldnt think their faith would notice a ding for not providing HC


since you insist

Or you could simply answer the question. But that might take some thought. I realize that is difficult for you.

the objection is that the Church will have to provide insurance for employees that includes provisions the Church finds anathema.


no they dont, they can pay the penalty. Much like large companies are debating doing right now.

or so some here have reported. Originally Posted by CJ7

The penalty (tax) still subsidizes the violation to religious freedom.

speaking of taxes ... how much taxpayer money has the catholic church taken in the past for secular services like education, AND healthcare?

If religious groups take taxpayer money to provide secular services, then they need to obey all secular laws.

good point iB

Another dodge. Avoid the question. Different issue entirely. Wouldn't expect any less from you.

It's nice to know the Pope has you to turn to in matters of faith and responsibility.

You realize you truly are an idiot, don't you? Otherwise you'd quit evading the question. It's not that hard, really. Independent thought, you ought to try sometime. You might find it refreshing.