government shuts down

As usual, the leftists are blatantly lying about illegals and health care. California alone saw an increase of BILLIONS of dollars spent on health care for illegals. Using that money they got from the federal government to prop up even more goodies for illegals.

States are sovereign and can choose to spend as much of their own money on illegals getting healthcare as they like. You know, the whole state’s rights thing. Something republicans used to believe in (in actuality they never reallly did).

States are sovereign and can choose to spend as much of their own money on illegals getting healthcare as they like. You know, the whole state’s rights thing. Something republicans used to believe in (in actuality they never reallly did). Originally Posted by 1blackman1

then let them do so without any GOV assistance and see how that works out for them



BAHHAHAA

Already did. In the other thread I asked a simple question. Which illegals are getting federal government health subsidies Trump is claiming democrats are pushing as it relates to the shutdown. I said you'd give a nonanswer and you did, as usual. You couldn't articulate it even if it were true but since it's not - Trump and the republicans are lying - you can't honestly and factually answer the question. So you do what all the republicans do - LIE Originally Posted by 1blackman1

... NO word games are needed here, mate.
The Dems are pushing for money $$$$ to give the Illegals
health care coverage... How did you miss that??
Or are you lying to the lot of us - and to yer-self
about what Schumer and the Dems want??

... President Trump has already showed the memorandum
on what the Dems are demanding. ... Health coverage for Illegals!

#### Salty

States are sovereign and can choose to spend as much of their own money on illegals getting healthcare as they like. You know, the whole state’s rights thing. Something republicans used to believe in (in actuality they never reallly did). Originally Posted by 1blackman1

... IF that's true as you say - then WHY are the Dems
demanding $$$$$ money for Health Care for Illegals??

... Why can't the states just spend their-own money??

... If, say, Minnesota wants to pay health care for Illegals,
then go right ahead - but don't ask the Federal government
to pay for it and provide the money... $$$$

... But THAT is one o' the reasons Schumer and the Dems
have shut down the government. ...

#### Salty

Salty is misrepresenting the issue Originally Posted by VitaMan

Ain't that par for course with him.

Salty is lying, it’s no misrepresentation of the issue. You’re being too kind. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

And it isn't just one person that sees it.

... Lying and misrepresenting HOW and About What??

... Don't stumble and bumble there, mates. .. SPELL IT RIGHT OUT.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

We have.
Your biased view. We all know you are recipiant to kangaCare. Seems your maggie buddies give you a hall pass on this. How could they trust someone on the guv'ment teat like you with socialized medicine.

Just leave it be. But than again, with every post you can advertise that. And maybe generate a few tokens to run this site.

You, as usual, are clueless and have no idea what you’re talking about.

And In the Case of the guy you're referring to, It's pretty safe to assume he’s on employer based insurance and not getting a federal subsidy for a federal health plan. You'd know that if you gave a second's thought rather than type nonsense for the sake of typing. Stick to growing corn or whatever it is that you do because every other subject is beyond you.

It’s the kind of stupidity you typed and that goes through MAGA heads during their circle jerk or reach around sessions and get yelled proudly and repeated that show how ill equipped MAGAs are for any kind of reasonable and informed conversations. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

LOL. So everything the Dems say illegals can’t do because it is against the is proven with one person and you call me clueless.

... IF that's true as you say - then WHY are the Dems
demanding $$$$$ money for Health Care for Illegals??

... Why can't the states just spend their-own money??

... If, say, Minnesota wants to pay health care for Illegals,
then go right ahead - but don't ask the Federal government
to pay for it and provide the money... $$$$

... But THAT is one o' the reasons Schumer and the Dems
have shut down the government. ...

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

I know English isn’t your first language so I don’t blame you for your inability to comprehend. But here we go.

Federal dollars - illegals can’t get any federal subsidies for Medicaid.
Medicaid - states can choose to use their OWN tax dollars to provide services to whomever they like legal and illegal.
States - sovereign entities that are able to raise taxes and spend their own
Money without permission from the federal government
Medicare - federally run and administered - no illegals can’t receive Medicare or any Medicare related subsidies
Medicaid federal match or federal subsidized insurance (Obamacare) - no illegals can receive federal dollars.

Now use that little noggin of yours and put the above together.

Illegals don’t get and the democrats aren’t asking for illegals to receive federal dollars. What you’re repeating is simply a lie. Which is why all you can do is say the same thing over and over without providing any reference or explanation.

I never expected you to be able to prove your claim as you NEVER do because even you must know they are lies. You just can’t help yourself, like your master and lord, lying is what happens when you type or probably move your lips.

I know English isn’t your first language so I don’t blame you for your inability to comprehend. But here we go.

Federal dollars - illegals can’t get any federal subsidies for Medicaid.
Medicaid - states can choose to use their OWN tax dollars to provide services to whomever they like legal and illegal.
States - sovereign entities that are able to raise taxes and spend their own
Money without permission from the federal government
Medicare - federally run and administered - no illegals can’t receive Medicare or any Medicare related subsidies
Medicaid federal match or federal subsidized insurance (Obamacare) - no illegals can receive federal dollars.

Now use that little noggin of yours and put the above together.

Illegals don’t get and the democrats aren’t asking for illegals to receive federal dollars. What you’re repeating is simply a lie. Which is why all you can do is say the same thing over and over without providing any reference or explanation.

I never expected you to be able to prove your claim as you NEVER do because even you must know they are lies. You just can’t help yourself, like your master and lord, lying is what happens when you type or probably move your lips. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Used care salesman are more honest than Democrats about Immigration and Illegal aliens.

then let them do so without any GOV assistance and see how that works out for them



BAHHAHAA Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

I agree. Maybe Medicaid should be pulled from the federal responsibility altogether and allow the states to self fund it completely and the federal govt can stop raising the related tax as well.

We all know what will happen though is states like Louisiana Bama Arkansas and Mississippi along with West Virginia and South Carolina wouldn’t be able to provide basic services to any of their citizens and states like California Maryland Virginia and Texas would have some kind of gold plan.

That’s ok with me though.

Used care salesman are more honest than Democrats about Immigration and Illegal aliens. Originally Posted by farmstud60

And my dog is smarter than republicans on every subject. Especially the ones on this forum. He’s smart enough to not eat shit and think it’s chocolate like the MAGAs and Trump supporters.

I agree. Maybe Medicaid should be pulled from the federal responsibility altogether and allow the states to self fund it completely and the federal govt can stop raising the related tax as well.

We all know what will happen though is states like Louisiana Bama Arkansas and Mississippi along with West Virginia and South Carolina wouldn’t be able to provide basic services to any of their citizens and states like California Maryland Virginia and Texas would have some kind of gold plan.

That’s ok with me though. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Herein lies the problem with your thinking. The government, on any level, is not and should not be responsible for providing health insurance to anyone. There is no unalienable right to an HMO.

Herein lies the problem with your thinking. The government, on any level, is not and should not be responsible for providing health insurance to anyone. There is no unalienable right to an HMO. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

By this rationale hospitals and emergency workers and teachers and other public workers should check for health insurance coverage before providing any emergency medical care to anyone.

Else persons who are using emergency medical care might not be able to afford it and eventually bankrupt the system.

There has to be some kind of mechanism to keep people invested in the health care system else we descend into a kind of social anarchy.

Our current system of privatized insurance really needs to be replaced with a national system that is available to everyone for basic medical care if nothing else.

Basic medical care ~IS~ available to everyone. Your argument is that someone other than the recipient should pay for it, which is ridiculous. Hospitals and emergency workers and teachers and other public workers don’t have to check for anything, that is a job for accounts receivable. If the person has an insurance policy they bill the insurer, otherwise it goes to the whoever received the services or their legal guardian.

Basic medical care ~IS~ available to everyone. Your argument is that someone other than the recipient should pay for it, which is ridiculous. Hospitals and emergency workers and teachers and other public workers don’t have to check for anything, that is a job for accounts receivable. If the person has an insurance policy they bill the insurer, otherwise it goes to the whoever received the services or their legal guardian. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

I've been reading all the other posts, and I would say in a nutshell yours is most realistic and correct.