no blks ......hmmmmm?

I know I discriminate when picking a provider. and I discriminate by age as well, I will only see ladies under 50ish (this can be broken but only if I chose to). Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

Damn... under 50.. then that means I can't add you to my "Mods-to-do" list!!!!

Of course, I could always say "you don't know what you're missing" but I will let Dallas or a few others tell you that on my behalf!!! LOL I can act like I am under 50 and you will say.. "Damn, should have eaten those Wheaties!!"

Just kidding with you, Outdoorsman... but I do feel a challenge to make you another notch in my belt my next trip to New Orleans after the end of the year!!

Smooch!

Lea

Yes, not many people believe in the old judging books by covers adage. Hell, the way I dress would make you think I'm going to rob you, but I'm probably the biggest dork you'll ever meet. Hence the ninja turtle graffiti in my avatar. Originally Posted by JMStryker

OMG! I love ninja turtles! mom bought me a ninja turtle camera when I was little.. once i got the pics developed, there'd be an outline of the ninja's in the bottom corner of the pics! awesomeness!

I think pretty much all the guys here have said they react in much the same way that you do when they see an ad that says they don't see AA men. We just move on to the next one. It's not "pulling the race card" to discuss it though. If it chafes you so much to see people discussing this topic, maybe don't need to click on this thread. You have the same outlook as a lot of guys i know though. "It doesn't apply to me, so it's not important." If you do see an ad that states "No white men allowed" please let me know. I think I've only seen one of those in all my years of hobbying.
There's a long history of bad race relations in this country and I guess it pushes some people's buttons to know that even in the fantasy world of the hobby there are still people lined up and ready to treat you differently because of your skin color. A lot of people try to equate their hobby choices (eye color, weight, height, hair color, etc) as being the same as any other form of discrimination. It's not. It's a choice made based on your level of attraction, not a decision to not see a group of people because of whatever preconceived notion you may have about said group.
I know this subject comes up way too much for some people's tastes, but there are guys who may not have seen those previous threads or who are relatively new to the hobby and this forum and just want someone else's input. That is what ECCIE is here for. It's always a ladies choice to see who she chooses to see, but when we get to the point where we better not even mention this topic, there's something wrong. Originally Posted by gdiddy

Well said giddy. Often in deciding whether or not I want to see a provider for the first time I will ask her: "Do you have any discriminating factors regarding race, religion, or physical characteristics which would prevent you from making an appointment with a prospective client?" How she answers this question helps to eliminate the possibility of a surprise or disappointment by either of us.

My attitude is this; if she doesn't want to see me, then I definitely do not want to see her.

lol--Lea...maybe he needs to play with BOTH of us at same time


wooohoooo Lea by herself is awesome...but doubled with me....wooooooooooohooooooooooo ooooooooo!!!!!!!

I cannot speak for others, but for some elves, they find that of the men that cause them issues, call their phones seeking to "be their pimp" , and who take offense to having to be verifyable, or simply not following theoir limits while in session(yes even those verified by other known providers) the overwhelming majority, to the tune of 95%, are black males. So for some It is easier to simply end most issues by not seeing african americans.
Now certainly not every african american male will cause an issue, however not ever child molester will molest your child, so are you willing to let one come play with your daughter? It's not racism, it's practicality and safety. Many providers find that african americans are 50% or more of their customer base due to the fact that nola iss 67% african american and BR is 51%, thus they must post here with the "all races welcome" sign. For the elves, no single demographic can or will push an elf into anything she does not absolutely wish to do. No elf nor ANY provider should have to appologise for having the freedom to choose.

Lets be honest here, if our 19yr old white/black daughter was told she HAD to open her legs for a man of another race since she opened them for a man of her race, who here would say thats a fair demand? Any of you wish to speak up and say thats fair? Remember, everything you believe a woman should be forced into, so should your daughter, wife, or mother.

I've been told by my ATF, who is an independent, that when she travels to Lafayette, BR, and NOLA she will not see african american men. She told me that just about every other black guy that comes to see her wants to be her pimp. They call and text her also. By putting this in her ad she does not have those troubles. When she is at home she will see AA males and has no problems their.

I on the other hand have never been with an african american female. I've tried to set up appointments with some, but have either been stood up or no return phone call. I don't know if it is bad luck or stereotyping on my part, but I have trended away from trying. There are however a few new AA ladies on the horizon that I'm going to be contacting soon. As long as a provider has the body and image that I'm looking for I'll tongue punch any lady...lol

Before I touch on the reverse....here are stereotypically a few of the reason I have heard or seen from prospective providers they couldn't or wouldn't see black men. In no particular order.

1. The bulk of their clients are white, and some of them are the type to prefer providers with those preferences of no black men. I have ran into to many providers in tennessee and louisiana who wouldn't mind seeing me, but preferred I'd not review them out of the possible "blacklisting" their whiteclients might show towards them.

2. She already has a black pimp and he has layed the law down that no black men will be clients so that he doest risk losing her as his lady of the night.

This can also coincide that she has a white husband or s.o. who doesn't approve of her seeing black men. Not in all cases but its there.

3. Black clients tend to be more equipt which limits how many they can see per day.

4. Black clients in certain age groups are and can be already i some of their social circles (clubbing and dance, particular nightlife choices, shopping, etc..) and they want to limit the chance their real world info could possibly be meshed with their provider info through association.

5. They don't normally conversate or congregate with people of color, and prefer not meet since they are unfamaliar.

6. They just don't prefer to see black men. Just honest response.

7. ****They advertise that they don't perfer to see black men but do anyway if you are a verified hobbyists. They mainly say this to weed out the type that has attitude or no screening information and refs. I have seen this happen on on on a few occasions after talking, screening, and interating with providers such as that on the phone.

If they even are willing to speak to you about their preference....its usually based on a past event....and not their preferences persay.

8. Older white gentleman are more likely to be married, less likely to get agitated or cause a scene if they are scammed with shitty service, etc

8. There are many others but these seem to be the most popular.

I cannot speak for others, but for some elves, they find that of the men that cause them issues, call their phones seeking to "be their pimp" , and who take offense to having to be verifyable, or simply not following theoir limits while in session(yes even those verified by other known providers) the overwhelming majority, to the tune of 95%, are black males. So for some It is easier to simply end most issues by not seeing african americans.
Now certainly not every african american male will cause an issue, however not ever child molester will molest your child, so are you willing to let one come play with your daughter? It's not racism, it's practicality and safety. Many providers find that african americans are 50% or more of their customer base due to the fact that nola iss 67% african american and BR is 51%, thus they must post here with the "all races welcome" sign. For the elves, no single demographic can or will push an elf into anything she does not absolutely wish to do. No elf nor ANY provider should have to appologise for having the freedom to choose.

Lets be honest here, if our 19yr old white/black daughter was told she HAD to open her legs for a man of another race since she opened them for a man of her race, who here would say thats a fair demand? Any of you wish to speak up and say thats fair? Remember, everything you believe a woman should be forced into, so should your daughter, wife, or mother. Originally Posted by thegfegirls

Without a doubt everyone has a right to choose whom he or she wants to see...that whats great about this country...freedom of choice....but to say basically all AA men are predators of some sort is bullshit. I wonder after the incident with the 300 lbs white guy...according to the alert posted in Oct....did you all stop seeing heavy white guys ? Probably not.......If your reasoning was strictly about safety and not just discriminating against AA men.....screen...this board has more than enough info....between posts and reviews, you can't tell me that the pimps and wanna be's,I know they can be weeded out.

Wow ...I can't believe it ....now the elves won't see African Americans..what the Hell man ....http://batonrouge.backpage.com/Femal..._-_-19/4218008

what is the world coming to ......I thought Santa clause was a blk man ...lol Originally Posted by mrbig2284

This isn't exactly a surprise persay as all or most of their ladies had that preference in their ads....with the exception of one or 2 that were reviewed by black clients. Its not so much a surprise or a change of business if they are at least honest and forthcoming with it.

I can name a few independents who don't. Reveal they have problems booking black men until well of course they screen him and find out....wasting time in the process. At least they are more in the open with their ignorance......er uh I mean preferences lol.

Just saying ...whenever I see one of those ads ...no matter what color the provider or hobbiest is ......the. ad still makes me uneasy ......just don't wanna be the lil robbed American Indian guy that just walked into a trap because all the lol...big blk guys where told not to come ......

So what's your take on black providers that won't see black guys? I've met a couple.

So what's your take on black providers that won't see black guys? I've met a couple. Originally Posted by bcrichards

Be careful my friend ....especially if they don't have any reviews .....only take enough money to cover urself and keep valuables in the car ........and enjoy

Be careful my friend ....especially if they don't have any reviews .....only take enough money to cover urself and keep valuables in the car ........and enjoy Originally Posted by mrbig2284

These were ladies I have seen and there wasn't the slightest thing shady about them. This was something they confided with me in private. It wasn't mentioned in their ads.

Obviously common sense will tell you that you have to click on a thread to know what it's about! In my opinion, it's exactly pulling the race card.

By saying that I have the "outlook as a lot of guys you know" and putting me in a group that, according to you, believes that if "It doesn't apply to me, so it's not important" is an assumption on your part. While some complain about being put into a "group" because of the color of their skin, you chose to put me in a group based on your assumption of my character and opinion.
Yes this country has a history of bad relations. You can't change history. I agree that people shouldn't be treated differently because of the color of their skin. I disagree with your statement that choices of preferring to someone based on weight isn't discrimination. Yes it's not "the same" yet it is still a form of discrimination. You want to try to cloud it "eye color, hair color, height" etc. That is just ridiculous! And if there were someone out there not choosing to see someone because of their hair color or eye color anyways, it's their choice. Get over it. Ladies do have a choice of who they see, but I never said that we should "better never not even mention this topic". That's just an implication on your part.
I still do believe that this "topic" is beating a dead horse. There are always going to be two sides to this "topic" and I believe that by bringing it up over and over doesn't open up anyone's eyes, it just reinforces their beliefs.


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I think pretty much all the guys here have said they react in much the same way that you do when they see an ad that says they don't see AA men. We just move on to the next one. It's not "pulling the race card" to discuss it though. If it chafes you so much to see people discussing this topic, maybe don't need to click on this thread. You have the same outlook as a lot of guys i know though. "It doesn't apply to me, so it's not important." If you do see an ad that states "No white men allowed" please let me know. I think I've only seen one of those in all my years of hobbying.
There's a long history of bad race relations in this country and I guess it pushes some people's buttons to know that even in the fantasy world of the hobby there are still people lined up and ready to treat you differently because of your skin color. A lot of people try to equate their hobby choices (eye color, weight, height, hair color, etc) as being the same as any other form of discrimination. It's not. It's a choice made based on your level of attraction, not a decision to not see a group of people because of whatever preconceived notion you may have about said group.
I know this subject comes up way too much for some people's tastes, but there are guys who may not have seen those previous threads or who are relatively new to the hobby and this forum and just want someone else's input. That is what ECCIE is here for. It's always a ladies choice to see who she chooses to see, but when we get to the point where we better not even mention this topic, there's something wrong. Originally Posted by gdiddy

Now there you go presuming any AA women who don't want AA clients are not trustworthy and under the thumb of a pimp.